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MassRayPer posted:That tends to happen here as well. I honestly never care about the awards. I skim them, maybe remember the funny ones but otherwise, eh. The Hall of Fame, that I care about. He's never getting in.  I'm curious if somebody finally beats Danielson for Most Outstanding Wrestler. If it's going to happen before his obvious decline years, it really should be the year he worked 2 PPV matches outside of the Royal Rumble match and cashing in on Big Show.
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LordPants posted:If he does get beaten, my money is on one of the New Japan Junior Heavyweights (Ibushi, Richards or Devitt) I could really see Devitt taking it this year.
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:I honestly don't see voters giving him a quarter of the votes that Punk grabs, even if he deserves it. That's because voters are dumb. Hopefully enough people listened to Alan's shows to see why Punk doesn't deserve it.
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:I can't get enough of arguing about Sting. Good.
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jeffersonlives posted:My guess for Flair/Thesz finish would be: Guesses for most outstanding? Obviously, this is open to anyone! Feel free to chime in with any awards thoughts! TNA will win worst promotion, I'm stumped on Most Disgusting Promotional Tactic, and Punk will probably win best gimmick.
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:Guesses for most outstanding? Richards, Danielson, Punk, Devitt, and I can't think of an obvious fifth off the top of my head. I suspect TWITTER TWEET TWEET TWITTER TRENDING poo poo will win promotional tactic.
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:I'm stumped on Most Disgusting Promotional Tactic, Maybe all the TNA Knockouts calling each other sluts all the time?
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Does Matt Hardy promoting himself via fake suicide note count? Because that would be my vote.
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Oatgan posted:Does Matt Hardy promoting himself via fake suicide note count? Because that would be my vote. Given that all it really ended up promoting was a series of arrests and a failed trip to rehab I'd guess it doesn't count but who knows.
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I voted for the fake cancer thing, because that's pretty hosed up.
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Must have missed the fake cancer thing - can someone summarize or give a link?
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Mr. Carlisle posted:Must have missed the fake cancer thing - can someone summarize or give a link? Here's the post from THE BOARD quote:It won't win because Meltzer didn't cover it but Perro Aguayo Jr. faked cancer to draw a big crowd for the Perros Anniversary Show in May. The idea being it was a cage match Clowns vs Perros and Perrito was in the match so him announcing cancer meant more fans would think he might lose since he'd have to lose his hair during radiation anyways. He didn't lose. He never had cancer. Show drew well.
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:TNA sending out Jeff Hardy at Victory Road is by far the most disgusting promotional tactic. I wish I bothered to vote because it is really disgusting and even more disgusting that TNA brought him back with the storyline they did.
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Lloyd Boner posted:Here's the post from THE BOARD drat. Thanks for the answer. It'd be hard to choose between that and a hosed up Jeff Hardy putting his opponent in incredible danger by being in the ring in his condition.
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Mr. Carlisle posted:drat. Thanks for the answer. Luckily, Sting is only an idiot in character and made sure there wasn't going to be much of a match. Honestly, what Jeff Hardy did I've heard of many wrestlers doing. Hawk popping a bunch of pills in front of his mouth and smiling about it before going out to the ring high as a drat kite and nearly falling asleep is just as bad. The cancer one though... that's a new one! (Probably not)
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Was the Aguayo cancer thing ever confirmed as phony? I remember there being a lot of skepticism that it was actually a drug thing and not cancer, but never anything concrete.
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Daily Update posted:The next UWF PPV debuts on March 25th and will be titled RUTHLESS REVENGE. Vinny and I will have a full review of THUG ASSASSINS tonight on the B&V Show.  
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Awards not out yet, but I thought I'd throw up all the categories, with some thoughts here and there. I'm just thinking out loud, so feel free to join in! LOU THESZ/RIC FLAIR AWARD Punk is gonna win this. Tanahashi might grab second or third. Maybe Cena will place, too? MMA MOST VALUABLE FIGHTER MOST OUTSTANDING WRESTLER Probably Danielson or Davey, Devitt or Tanahashi could place. MOST OUTSTANDING FIGHTER BEST BOX OFFICE DRAW FEUD OF THE YEAR Davey vs Eddie? TAG TEAM OF THE YEAR Eh... would have been Kings if Claudio didn't join FCW. My personal favorite this year is Sekimoto and Okabayashi, but Bad Intentions might take it. If not, gotta be the Briscoes. MOST IMPROVED I say Barrett, but Henry will probably win. BEST ON INTERVIEWS Punk. MOST CHARISMATIC BEST TECHNICAL WRESTLER Davey or Danielson? BRUISER BRODY MEMORIAL AWARD No clue. Is Makabe still brawling like a motherfucker? I guess you could say Steen here. BEST FLYING WRESTLER Pac or Ibushi. Maybe Ricochet will get some support. I could see a lot of people voting Bourne, though. MOST OVERRATED I'm thinking people will vote Cena here. If not, Sin Cara. MOST UNDERRATED PROMOTION OF THE YEAR BEST WEEKLY TV SHOW PRO WRESTLING MATCH OF THE YEAR Cena/Punk will probably take it. MMA MATCH OF THE YEAR ROOKIE OF THE YEAR This is tough. Who qualifies as a rookie? Little Hashimoto? BEST NON WRESTLER Someone from WWE - Vickie or Ricardo. BEST TELEVISION ANNOUNCER WORST TELEVISION ANNOUNCER Michael Cole. BEST MAJOR SHOW Something from PWG would get my pick, or maybe ROH's Best in the World, but Money in the Bank might get it. WORST MAJOR SHOW TNA something or other BEST WRESTLING MANOEUVRE MOST DISGUSTING PROMOTIONAL TACTIC WORST TELEVISION SHOW TNA Impact WORST MATCH OF THE YEAR WORST FEUD OF THE YEAR WORST PROMOTION BEST BOOKER Whoever gets credit for PWG. PROMOTER OF THE YEAR BEST GIMMICK WORST GIMMICK BEST WRESTLING BOOK BEST PRO WRESTLING DVD
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I don't see how Danielson could win most outstanding wrestler this year, I can't remember one truly great match he had. Maybe he'll win it just by his reputation, but WWE hasn't been using him to his potential at all in ring.
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triplexpac posted:I don't see how Danielson could win most outstanding wrestler this year, I can't remember one truly great match he had. Maybe he'll win it just by his reputation, but WWE hasn't been using him to his potential at all in ring. I'm going on reputation, yeah. I don't think he's had the year any number of guys have had, both in North America and Japan.
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Oh god I cannot order Hood Assassins fast enough. Why is payday so far away? "Rasche Brown is now dead, what does this mean for the title?"
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:MOST IMPROVED I like Barrett a lot, and Henry is awesome, but I would give this to Ziggler hands down. quote:BEST ON INTERVIEWS And this one, though I guess not many would agree, to Mark Henry. Punk had The One Great Promo, but since then he's been very hit or miss. Henry, while he's not as flashy in his promo style, when it comes to old school, make me actually believe this dude is gonna kick the other dude's rear end and to want to see it, and do it in 2 minutes or less, is the best in the business right now. Alternatively, just give it to the Briscos.
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Borh posted:I like Barrett a lot, and Henry is awesome, but I would give this to Ziggler hands down. See to me, Ziggler didn't so much improve, but got the opportunity to show off more. That's how I looked at it, and that's why I go with Barrett. When Barrett first got to the main stage, he was a good promo, had pretty good presence, and was kinda lackluster in the ring. But he's been getting better in ring each and every week, and he's really developing the aura of a star. And Henry wouldn't be a terrible choice for best promo - not really my cup of tea, but it isn't wrong to suggest it. Jay Briscoe has been loving great lately as well, and Steen has been pretty drat good. Archibald Peck should win best gimmick, obviously.
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:See to me, Ziggler didn't so much improve, but got the opportunity to show off more. That's some of it, but not the whole story. I remember back when Ziggler was on Smackdown, he got a fair amount of TV time, with the chance to work some good, long matches. He even got the trademark Smackdown mid-card push, where they actually do a competent job of pushing an up-and-coming guy, and when he gets over they promptly draft him to Raw where he rots away for months working dark matches or Superstars. Anyway, I think most of us watching back then saw potential in Ziggler, and thought he showed a lot of promise, but he was nowhere near as good as he is now, where he's clearly one of the top in-ring guys in the company. His promos have also improved a lot, and the last few months of 2011 were the time when he finally began to flesh out a character for himself, and create a gimmick and a personality that work for him, instead of just playing a character they give him. He really matured and developed as a wrestler by a huge amount in 2011, even if he was already pretty good before. On the other hand, I do agree with everything you said about Barrett, so that would be my second choice.
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HulkaMatt posted:Tanahashi winning Wrestler of the Year is buys. I'm genuinely surprised, and frankly a little perplexed given New Japan's relegation to what is essentially an indy.
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Results are in! (I've only listed the winners) LOU THESZ/RIC FLAIR AWARD Tanahashi MMA MOST VALUABLE FIGHTER GSP MOST OUTSTANDING WRESTLER Davey Richards MOST OUTSTANDING FIGHTER Bones Jones BEST BOX OFFICE DRAW The Rock FEUD OF THE YEAR Punk vs Cena TAG TEAM OF THE YEAR Giant Bernard & Karl Anderson MOST IMPROVED Ziggler BEST ON INTERVIEWS Punk. MOST CHARISMATIC The Rock BEST TECHNICAL WRESTLER Daniel Bryan BRUISER BRODY MEMORIAL AWARD Steen BEST FLYING WRESTLER Ricochet MOST OVERRATED Crimson MOST UNDERRATED Ziggler PROMOTION OF THE YEAR UFC BEST WEEKLY TV SHOW Smackdown PRO WRESTLING MATCH OF THE YEAR Cena/Punk (MiTB) MMA MATCH OF THE YEAR Henderson vs Shogun (Nov 19) ROOKIE OF THE YEAR Daichi Hashimoto BEST NON WRESTLER Ricardo Rodriguez BEST TELEVISION ANNOUNCER Joe Rogan WORST TELEVISION ANNOUNCER Michael Cole. BEST MAJOR SHOW WWE Money In The Bank WORST MAJOR SHOW TNA Victory Road BEST WRESTLING MANOEUVRE Ricochet's Double flip moonsault MOST DISGUSTING PROMOTIONAL TACTIC WWE working with Be A Star while bullying JR on air WORST TELEVISION SHOW TNA Impact WORST MATCH OF THE YEAR Sting vs Jeff Hardy WORST FEUD OF THE YEAR Triple H vs Nash WORST PROMOTION TNA BEST BOOKER Gedo & Jado PROMOTER OF THE YEAR Dana White BEST GIMMICK Punk WORST GIMMICK Michael Cole BEST WRESTLING BOOK Undisputed by Chris Jericho BEST PRO WRESTLING DVD Bret vs Shawn
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Technically, he only really drew one big house, Mania. SS didn't do that great. I suppose you could credit him with the bump in ratings last spring, but that was more the idea of him being back given how little he actually appeared.
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Karmine posted:I realize that the official name is "Best Box Office Draw" but are PPV buys also considered? Yeah I think it just refers to overall $$$ made.
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