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Cojawfee posted:I don't understand why they thought closed cockpit with small windows was a good idea when every other car is open cockpit. It would only help in the rain maybe. Open cockpit cars are less aerodynamic, but allot of its down to regulations.
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Cojawfee posted:I don't understand why they thought closed cockpit with small windows was a good idea when every other car is open cockpit. It would only help in the rain maybe. Aerodynamics win races. edit: poo poo, beaten
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Cojawfee posted:I don't understand why they thought closed cockpit with small windows was a good idea when every other car is open cockpit. It would only help in the rain maybe. I know open-tops were banned in favor of the closed top Daytona Prototypes in Grand Am over some kind of safety concerns. Not sure the reasoning with Le Mans. Cojawfee posted:Is that 2.2 referring to the engine size? That or horsepower, I always forget with the Rampage...
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Feb 1, 2012 04:18
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Even if the car list had been the 787B, the Quattro S1, and then eight versions of the NSX (which would still be less than GT5, I think!), it would be worth every penny. Edit: Now I just really hope they get an Opel GT in eventually (the original, not the Kappa) and maybe some more open-cockpit prototypes. McLaren M8D?
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the 787 is nice, the Quattro is nice, and I can always use another Alfa, but the rest just seems kind of meh. At least there isn't a lot of super car bullshit with the DLC this time arround.
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Feb 1, 2012 04:22
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jadebullet posted:the 787 is nice, the Quattro is nice, and I can always use another Alfa, but the rest just seems kind of meh. Thats exactly what i was thinking, but for some reason forza isnt for me 
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Feb 1, 2012 04:25
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YF19pilot posted:I know open-tops were banned in favor of the closed top Daytona Prototypes in Grand Am over some kind of safety concerns. Not sure the reasoning with Le Mans. I could see why at daytona, dont they reach pretty high speed on the banking? I guess you wouldnt want to have an accident on the oval part at high speed in an open top prototype. Although I know they do run other circuits that arent rovals. Wheras Lemans its not an issue as they dont run at rovals at all. God knows what it is with the regulataions tho. I'm pretty sure to balance out the disparity the open top cars were allowed a bigger restrictor or a larger fueltank to offset the closed-tops cars slipperyness.
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Feb 1, 2012 04:26
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YF19pilot posted:I know open-tops were banned in favor of the closed top Daytona Prototypes in Grand Am over some kind of safety concerns. Not sure the reasoning with Le Mans. Audi went with a closed cockpit due to FIA rule changes that reduced the engine size from the 2010 cars, which made aerodynamic improvements necessary to compensate for the loss of horsepower.
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Idiot race posted:I could see why at daytona, dont they reach pretty high speed on the banking? I guess you wouldnt want to have an accident on the oval part at high speed in an open top prototype. Not sure about into the banking, as you're coming off the infield before NASCAR 1-2 and coming out of the 'Bus Stop' chicane before NASCAR 3-4. I do know they hit some pretty decent speeds on the back stretch and the tri-oval before braking for those sections as well. Granted, the superbikes use a slightly different infield course which cuts out NASCAR 1-2 altogether, but still uses 3-4. However, if you have enough of a group of cars together, it can be easy to 'collect' other cars in wreck when running on the main NASCAR circuit, and last thing you'd need, I suppose, is an open-topped car managing to find itself underneath another car.
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Feb 1, 2012 04:44
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FreelanceSocialist posted:The quattro is "meh"? I will be destroying my eardrums between this car and the 787B. The XJ220 has a wonderful throttle-lift sound too, especially when you don't drop too many gears and let the RPMs get down around 3k. SOOOOO GOOOOD
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Feb 1, 2012 04:57
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I said come in! posted:No, in real life they are actually going at it all on their own, most of the time. That sounds terrifying, especially given the way they're strapped into those things you can't exactly just lean way forward to have glance around like in a road car.
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Feb 1, 2012 05:06
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Fortuitous Bumble posted:That sounds terrifying, especially given the way they're strapped into those things you can't exactly just lean way forward to have glance around like in a road car. Yeah, these race car drivers are some of the best in the world. They have a tremendous amount of skill. Not to mention the physical attributes required to be in a race car like this, up to 4 hours at a time before handing the car off to a team mate. Races like the 24 Hours of Le Mans are famous for the cars and amazing test of skill required by all of the drivers involved. That's why real life racing is so dangerous.
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Feb 1, 2012 05:08
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Of course, regardless of the skill, sometimes they just can't see everything they need to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW3NDGk6YQE Like this.
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Feb 1, 2012 05:15
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Falken posted:Of course, regardless of the skill, sometimes they just can't see everything they need to. I still remember seeing that, was like 45 minutes into the race. Can't believe no one died. It caused a like 2 hour caution, and then the one that would happen during the night, was even longer.
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Feb 1, 2012 05:20
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I said come in! posted:I still remember seeing that, was like 45 minutes into the race. Can't believe no one died. It caused a like 2 hour caution, and then the one that would happen during the night, was even longer. I swear some guy near the solid wall gets ragdolled by flying car parts.. but he disappears in all subsequent shots. Guess it means he was okay, but he went down fast. 
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Feb 1, 2012 05:34
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I said come in! posted:I still remember seeing that, was like 45 minutes into the race. Can't believe no one died. It caused a like 2 hour caution, and then the one that would happen during the night, was even longer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmn2YgPJEUE&feature=related The McNish one I've always felt was McNish's fault, going for a gap on that GT car that wasn't really there for the lead of a race that still had like 23 hours to go. But that night one? That is straight up not knowing what is going on around your car by the GT car. Lightglobe fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Feb 1, 2012 |
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Feb 1, 2012 05:53
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Lightglobe posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmn2YgPJEUE&feature=related Still, it's a stupid collision that should have been avoided. An old adage in endurance racing is that endurance races are never won in the first few laps, but they are often lost there. You want to be fast enough that you maintain good standing but slow enough to protect the car from damage, then in the last hour, you hope to be close enough to take advantage of skill and luck to win the thing.
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Sent a request to AUGR, gt: Dharma Horace
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Feb 1, 2012 07:15
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Hey Turn10... Can we get our Ruf Yellowbird now?
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I'm no racing sexpert but it looks like the guy dives into the corner and the ferrari is taking his line in not expecting a prototype car to shoot in front of him.
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Feb 1, 2012 08:44
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Fantastic DLC pack. Glad they finally dropped in the 787B after all the nagging. That plus the Quattro already nails it. The exotics in this pack should all be interesting, and another Aussie muscle car is always welcome. I just wish they'd give the classic Falcon some company with some Monaros and Toranas.
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Captain Hair posted:Me too buddy, I even drempt about it the other day, which is ridiculous. Picture a spec race with 16 Mini Coopers all with custom made racing liveries. It's the stuff wet dreams are made of. It would have to be the SAEG spec for every spec.
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Feb 1, 2012 14:15
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Jarf posted:Picture a spec race with 16 Mini Coopers all with custom made racing liveries. It's the stuff wet dreams are made of. I wonder what it is with the Classic Mini. Shift 2 and GT5 have one (Though GT5's is the '98 version. The last one that used the classic body before the BMW take over). You would think that Turn 10 would try to get one of the most iconic cars of all and a drat good touring car in the day. Still there for the 787b. The sound on that is going to be amazing Edit: A handy reminder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iLyHV4ZwFk Sex Vicar fucked around with this message at 14:44 on Feb 1, 2012 |
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jadebullet posted:the 787 is nice, the Quattro is nice, and I can always use another Alfa, but the rest just seems kind of meh. The (admittedly brief) sample on the promo video of the 787b sounded pretty buzzy and unimpressive, but we'll see on that one. In my mind there's the two stupid cars (RAMPAGE and Bentley), the four race cars I probably won't use much beyond the rivals event, two marginally different versions of cars already in the game (Mustang and Holden), an uninteresting hatchback and the Alfa. Which is kinda crippled if there's no RWD swap. For comparison: last month had the Pinto, Montreal, Impala and Fiat Coupe. December had the 300S, Fiero, Spider, Scirocco, Escort and Raptor. How much have people used the Pikes Peak Suzuki?
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I said come in! posted:I still remember seeing that, was like 45 minutes into the race. Can't believe no one died. It caused a like 2 hour caution, and then the one that would happen during the night, was even longer. Yeah, I don't remember if I was watching that live or with a slight DVR delay, but drat, that poo poo came out of nowhere.
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Turn-10 is designing these car packs to cover a wide range of cars and to appeal to as many people as possible. It's really ridiculous to call these car packs "meh" just because you only like one or two cars in them. Even more so if you are not a car person and can't grasp why having some of these cars in the game, is significant. You have the option of buying the cars individually, you don't need to get the whole thing. It's especially absurd that some of you aren't even really car people, but you thought buying the season pass was a good idea anyways. I'm sorry, but that's your own fault for thinking you would only get 60 something cars that were exactly what you wanted. I think all of the car packs are fantastic and couldn't have asked for better ones so far.
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I said come in! posted:Even more so if you are not a car person and can't grasp why having some of these cars in the game, is significant. Obviously this is why I think the Bentley and Challenger are completely moronic; I must not be a 'car person'. Can you not understand where this is coming from? I'm most interested in cars that are interesting and fun to drive in the game. I don't care if this model of RX8 or civic or Bentley or Mustang has 10hp more and weighs 5lbs less because it's a game and you can change the setup of your car to suit in minutes. If it was real life? Sure, the Honda Mugen Civic Type-R 3D or that new Polo whatever might be interesting, but in a game? Who cares.
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Edmund Honda posted:Obviously this is why I think the Bentley and Challenger are completely moronic; I must not be a 'car person'. There is more like a 70 hp difference between the 93 and 95 Cobras. It isn't just about the minute differences between vehicles, its about their interiors, their exteriors, and their slightly different centers of weight. If your qualifier for a 'good car pack' is "interesting and fun to drive in the game," I think you don't even know what you want in a car pack. That's an awfully vague and ultimately opinionated; I'm excited for that Mustang, some people are geared for the new Audi or Alfa. Just because you can't appreciate the differences between vehicles doesn't mean it is "uninteresting", it means you should just buy one or two cars.
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Pickled Kittens posted:There is more like a 70 hp difference between the 93 and 95 Cobras. I couldn't bother to come up with a response. You said it way better then I could have anyways.
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Edmund Honda posted:How much have people used the Pikes Peak Suzuki? Never again, I complained about this one before actually. Its useless to me and its like 2pi too high for the lower class yet nowhere near good enough for the higher class. So except for specific "this car only" races its useless imo. The mini hit its 50th anniversary a couple of years ago. So now some of the kick-rear end models are having theirs, I think This year is the Cooper, which would make for an excellent reason to put one in a pack. I imagine T10 know the Mini is wanted and perhaps even wanted it in themselves. So I guess theres some underlying reason as to why they don't. After reading more about this pack, I'm now interested in the Holden and the Polo. First dual-charged car in the game I think? Be interesting to see how they handle the upgrade menus. Perhaps they should make dual-charging for everything because goddamn I want my Camaro to have even MORE boost. And the Holden, by the sounds of it, uses that fancy magnetic suspension? I'm interested as to how that holds up in-game too!
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Something is broken on that Suzuki, though. I was able to use it in the vast majority of events, regardless of class, PI, or geographic restrictions. Lapping econoboxes four times? Hilarious.
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The whole design philosophy of Forza is to have a wide enough variety of cars that everybody will find a handful of cars he/she really likes. It thus follows that most people will not care for the majority of cars in the game. Please don't be so arrogant to consider your own taste to be some kind of superior standard that naturally everybody must agree with. Edit: Which, of course, is something I myself do time and time again, I'm not going to pretend like I'm a better person  Pickled Kittens posted:some people are geared for the new Audi And how. Finally I can raise my Audi affinity. For the longest time I only had BMW over 10 (25 now), then I put 500+ miles into the Escort MK2 and got Ford to 15 or so, now there's an Audi worth really getting into. GhostDog fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Feb 1, 2012 |
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Ok, so first they give us the hill climb Suzuki and now the Audi. Come on, Porsche 959 rally car and Pikes Peak (or any kind of dirt/rally track) combo pack! I would give T10 all of my money for something like that.I said come in! posted:You have the option of buying the cars individually, you don't need to get the whole thing. This is part true, some cars are "pack only" such as the Pagani offered in the January pack. It's very frustrating because chances are good that Turn 10 will do the same with the most coveted cars in the other packs as well. ComfortablyNumb fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Feb 1, 2012 |
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ComfortablyNumb posted:This is part true, some cars are "pack only" such as the Pagani offered in the January pack. I didn't know that (I have the season pass), but that is poo poo. Edit: Whatever happened to the Yellowbird? Wasn't that announced? Or was that the fake list?
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GhostDog posted:Edit: Whatever happened to the Yellowbird? Wasn't that announced? Or was that the fake list? It's still listed on Forzacentral. That doesn't guarantee it's coming, but the chances are still pretty good.
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ComfortablyNumb posted:Ok, so first they give us the hill climb Suzuki and now the Audi. Come on, Porsche 959 rally car and Pikes Peak (or any kind of dirt/rally track) combo pack! I would give T10 all of my money for something like that. I wouldnt mind the full positano back realy if nothing else. I actually bought the premium car pack mainly because I wanted the 1M or whatever but I found that the CRZ is pretty fun to drive once youve upgraded it a bit. Its pretty cool hearing the electric motor and the turbocharger sounds at the same time. Also someone made the liveries from this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA57VafyzFg which is pretty cool, i just wish I could have the kers type power boost they use in the race which makes the headlights flash constantly.
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Cojawfee posted:I'm no racing sexpert but it looks like the guy dives into the corner and the ferrari is taking his line in not expecting a prototype car to shoot in front of him. The Ferrari driver made a mistake by not watching the cars approaching. McNish made a mistake in going for a gap that wasn't there and not anticipating that the Ferrari driver wouldn't see him. But he did make the pass. The Ferrari was obligated to yield to him. But I won't hold him blameless, because it was a very foolish and risky pass at a point in the race when it didn't matter. You have to finish to win. Captain Hair posted:Never again, I complained about this one before actually. Its useless to me and its like 2pi too high for the lower class yet nowhere near good enough for the higher class. So except for specific "this car only" races its useless imo. Or, look at 24 Hours of Lemons, where they've effectively tried to ban the E30 BMW, the Fox body Mustang, and the Miata because they're too successful. Bring one of those and even if you can get your application approved, they're going to tack on so many penalty laps that you should have brought anything else. So, it's not surprising that in Forza there are many cars that simply cannot ever be made competitive and you drive only because you find them fun. If you want top time on the leader boards, you pick the "cheater" car and go for it. In regards to the car packs, I'll be honest and say there's only been one or two cars in each pack that I've been excited about. But that's to be expected, as Turn 10 is really doing something unique -- when was the last time you played a racing game with a Fiero? Or a Pinto? A Syclone? Or even a DeLorean? It's easy to fill a game with Porsches and Ferraris and Lamborghinis -- cars that are almost universally popular. Turn 10 is picking cars that are popular (or even popularly hated) but polarizing, unique and different. They aren't just giving us pack after pack of virtually identical driving LMP cars. I'm happy for that. Maybe the 787B is the only car I drive out of this pack. But I'm sure that there are people who cannot wait to get into that God-awful Rampage car. They aren't trying to make boring car packs with universal appeal, they're doing something creative, risky, and different, and I am glad they are. I don't regret my season pass one bit. Keep in mind, Turn 10 is also limited by the cars they can actually get into their studio to scan. I'm sure the scanning process is fairly lengthy, and in the case of older cars, you can't just get some rusted out heap you found at the used car lot.
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einTier posted:Welcome to classed racing. This is a known problem in every racing series. There are always one or two cars that dominate, either because they weren't classed right or because those are the ones that everyone has the knowledge to tune. It's one of the reasons I don't autocross anymore. If you want to win, you either have to pick one of a handful of cars or spend stupid amounts of money researching setups on a car that might never be competitive. I wouldn't mind if Forza had more races with mixed up racing restrictions that didn't involve primarily PI (like they've done on some of the Rivals challenges). PI is a nice, easy to use system, but there will be cars that dominate no matter what rating system or restrictions you come up with (just like in real series). Which is one of the reasons I think the spec races like Jabs have been putting on are pretty cool even if the tuning can get more time consuming, at least it mixes things up a little. It would also help if there was adjustable boost or restrictors or ballast or something so you didn't have to game the system with parts so much. This would probably make a number of cars more competitive that just happen to be sitting in the wrong place at their starting PI rating. It feels really stupid when I have to ditch my racing supercharger or add 300 lbs to my car or find a set of wheels just heavy enough and add a bunch of engine mods just because I was a few points over what I needed to add on a racing suspension. Fortuitous Bumble fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Feb 1, 2012 |
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Not to mention the dyno runs for sound engineering...
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