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Crovie posted:Hmm, I didn't think about that (jamming pre). At least, not it being a huge mistake. What do you suppose his range is then? Or is this the right play even supposing his range is something like AK, KK+? if his range is AK, KK+ you probably fold but I'm not doing math because math is dumb and his range is much wider than that. If his range is AK, KK+ then flatting is a terrible option, DUCY?
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This is the first hand with villain. Generally tiny 4 bets on these stakes are usually the nuts. Some players will 4-bet bluff but not a whole lot. Given that his 4-bet is small here and is usually gonna be AA/KK is flatting with JJ for sets ok here? (Im guessing it isn't, but I am honestly not sure) I was planning on folding to the flop c bet when the flop came sans J, but then the flop also came sans c-bet. The pot was pretty large even still so I figured he could be check shoving a lot of the time. I think not betting the turn was pretty bad but I checked behind for the same reason as the flop. Once he checked the river I was pretty sure he no longer had an over pair but either AK or a 4 bet bluff and I almost always have the best hand now. So I bet 2 dollars figuring I would get called every time by a big ace and maybe to induce something spewy from a thinking player with complete air (Seeing how a thinking player would think that my line makes no sense what so ever). (the only argument against this is he was an unknown player so I don't know if hes really bad. And I have seen really bad players min raise aces and check them every street.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com CO: $36.09 BTN: $25.25 SB: $25.00 Hero (BB): $25.35 UTG: $15.20 MP: $17.95 SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.25 Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has Jd Jc fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.25, SB raises to $5.25, Hero calls $3.00 Flop: ($10.50, 2 players) 8s 9s 5c SB checks, Hero checks Turn: ($10.50, 2 players) 3d SB checks, Hero checks River: ($10.50, 2 players) 7c SB checks, Hero bets $2.00, SB raises to $19.75 and is all-in, Hero calls $17.75
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TheAbortionator posted:Given that his 4-bet is small here and is usually gonna be AA/KK is flatting with JJ for sets ok here? (Im guessing it isn't, but I am honestly not sure) Ignoring the specifics of this hand, I think you need between 10:1 and 12:1 implied odds to make it profitable to set-mine. So, after the 4-bet you need to call $3 which means he should have between $30 and $36 behind left to win (and you should obviously have him covered) if you knew his 4-bet range was only QQ+. Your odds of flopping a set are 1 in 8 but your opponent isn't guaranteed to stack off with QQ or KK on an AJx flop or if he whiffs with AK and you occasionally lose even with your set which is why you need slightly more implied odds to set-mine than just the odds of flopping a set. As for the hand, I'm personally not sure so I'll leave it to somebody else to answer. Without any reads I'd probably fold to the 4-bet but that may be a little weak and somebody else may suggest 5-bet jamming simply because it is BvB and ranges are going to be much wider. vampire fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Jan 25, 2012 |
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Jan 25, 2012 20:46
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vampire posted:As for the hand, I'm personally not sure so I'll leave it to somebody else to answer. Without any reads I'd probably fold to the 4-bet but that may be a little weak and somebody else may suggest 5-bet jamming simply because it is BvB and ranges are going to be much wider. Folding JJ to the 4bet here is a disaster unless SB is the nittiest nit who ever nitted. Even at .10/.25, people realize that when it gets down to blind vs blind, opening ranges are wider, thus 3betting ranges are wider, thus 4betting ranges are wider. So, yeah, I prob just 5bet jam and if he has QQ+ oh well. It's the best way to get value from hands like TT- that 4bet and then justify calls by "putting you on the ace-king" or whatever, and it's the best way to avoid a big mistake like folding a hand with huge equity when the flop comes ace high or king high. Like, MAYBE I find a fold if I'm playing live 1-2, my opponent is a geriatric, and he accidentally flashes an ace king or queen. Flatting with the plan of folding all the 88% of flops where you don't flop a set and he bets is also a disaster. I'm not going to do the math either, but given that his range is very likely much wider than QQ+, you're making a pretty gigantic mistake when you fold. As for postflop, I would've bet the flop and locked up our equity here. You have an overpair, his range could be wide, he's shown weakness, you only have 2x pot left behind...just bet and get it in on the flop or even on the turn. You're missing value against his range and you're giving him two free chances to catch up with his whiffs. I guess I probably call on the river too, because there are so many AKQ broadway combos or other random things that might be induced to bluff when you bet so tiny, you have two blockers to the nuts, he's probably just going to call with 2p hands. But this kind of gross spot could easily be avoided by playing more aggressively on any of the previous streets.
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Jan 25, 2012 21:57
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Unamuno posted:Excellent feedback. I don't tend to play short-handed (less than four) or end up in BvB situations too often given the high percentage of flops seen by players at micros so I seem to under-estimate how wide people's ranges can get in these spots and don't seem to adjust correctly. Any advice on how to improve defining ranges short-handed and BvB? Is it just experience and playing tons more hands?
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contemplating a thin call here, villain is 20/15/2.3 AF over 125 hands, also is a mass-tabling SNE robot. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com MP ($53) CO ($73.25) Button ($20) SB ($50) BB ($73.80) Hero (UTG) ($72.75) Preflop: Hero is UTG with 10  , 10 Hero bets $1.50, MP calls $1.50, 4 folds Flop: ($3.75) 5 , 3, 6 (2 players)Hero bets $2.50, MP calls $2.50 Turn: ($8.75) A  (2 players)Hero bets $5, MP calls $5 River: ($18.75) 8 (2 players)Hero checks, MP bets $10, Hero ??? doesn't he have enough Ax draws in his range that call flop? also he can totally have a drooly set as played even though the board is quite wet. still, it seems so bluffy/fishy to callpre, call flop, call turn, bet river even with his river sizing. also is the turn barrel good cause i'm cbetting all my air on that flop as well? Dr. Eat fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Jan 26, 2012 |
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Jan 26, 2012 06:34
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quote:Any advice on how to improve defining ranges short-handed and BvB? Is it just experience and playing tons more hands? definitely jam the jacks pre or on the flop. i am like never ever folding this BvB in 6max unless the other guy is like 13/10. also, if you aren't shipping jacks then your only value range to get it in is QQ++ so they will push you around. also they will fold to your jams when they have queens and you have kings...so in order to get full value from our monsters and be a bit of a nit later we need to widen our ranges to include some lees strong hands and some bluffs as well. like, if we want to be able to shove AK to get value from worse we need to be willing to shove jacks for value expecting to lose some of the time. i'm not saying you should be 5bet bluffing air at NL25 but jacks are super-strong BvB and villain has plenty of hands in his range that you cannot get his stack from once a flop is seen (for example he has AQ and whiffs, he folds to your cbet on T73r) also there are too many boards where we get one street of value max (he has AT, flop comes T73r, we bet he calls, turn is king he shuts down and we usually don't want to turn our hand into a bluff here).
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Jan 26, 2012 06:59
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Thanks for the advice, the pre-flop/flop was what I was wondering about as I had a feeling I played it terribad in those spots. I snap called the river because the 2 dollar bet was meant to get called by AK or induce a spaz. He showed AQ off and I said a silent thank you to DJ Sensei and Venessa Selbst. TheAbortionator fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Jan 26, 2012 |
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Jan 26, 2012 08:21
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TheAbortionator posted:Thanks for the advice, the pre-flop/flop was what I was wondering about as I had a feeling I played it terribad in those spots. Shoutout to Unconventional Wisdom on DC, if you are a microstakes player and haven't watched that series you are missing out on some good stuff.
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Jan 26, 2012 10:07
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ZeroStar posted:Shoutout to Unconventional Wisdom on DC, if you are a microstakes player and haven't watched that series you are missing out on some good stuff.
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Jan 26, 2012 10:42
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I had incredibly bad table image after 5-bet shoving 910s into kings 5 hands earlier. So at no point in this hand was I considering folding. Just curious if I should be shipping flop, turn or giving him one more chance to bluff the river. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com CO: $10.00 Hero (BTN): $49.05 SB: $31.38 BB: $44.08 UTG: $25.00 MP: $36.56 SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25 Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has Qd Qh fold, MP raises to $0.75, fold, Hero raises to $2.25, fold, fold, MP calls $1.50 Flop: ($4.85, 2 players) 8c 9s 8s MP checks, Hero bets $2.75, MP raises to $7.25, Hero calls $4.50 Turn: ($19.35, 2 players) 4s MP bets $10.75, Hero raises to $38.00, fold
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Jan 26, 2012 19:36
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Your play is fine, if there wasn't a 3 flush out I would call and call any river. With the stacks how they are you don't gain too much by letting him continue bluffing on river so I would rather shove turn and let him not play flush draws perfectly on river. For someone like you I would strongly suggest never 5-bet shoving light. It's most likely -EV, at best it is marginally +EV and very high variance. Don't worry about crazy plays like that, put all your focus into building a solid standard game plan and branch out from there.
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Also, I wouldn't put too much stock into "table image" at NL25 online.
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NL 20 saw flop UTG ($18.95) Button ($9) SB ($24.34) Hero (BB) ($24.51) Preflop: Hero is BB with K , A UTG bets $0.80, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.90, UTG calls $2.10 Flop: ($6.10) 8 , J, 8 (2 players)Hero bets $2.80, UTG calls $2.80 Turn: ($11.70) A (2 players)Hero checks, UTG checks River: ($11.70) 5 (2 players)Hero raises to $18.81 (All-In), UTG calls $13.25 (All-In) Total pot: $38.20 | Rake: $1.91 I think the 3b and c bet are fairly standard (let me know if I'm wrong obviously). On the turn the cheap c bet kind of messed me up a little bit because stack sizes are uncomfortable. I feel I've got the virtual nuts here or I'm basically dead to JJ or slim to AJ, but those hands are pretty few so I decide to check planning to jam it in over any bets or do the same on the river if it checks through hoping for hero calls from pocket pairs and a weaker ace. I wanted it to look bluffy. Results: He called with KQ I hadn't played in a while and was feeling pretty awesome and just ran the table over. I had a 17% wtsd and 71% w$sd it was the most fun I've had playing poker.
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looks super standard to me. i don't think there's any other way to play it edit: except the flop Blinky2099 fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Jan 31, 2012 |
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Jan 30, 2012 05:50
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Bashez posted:I wanted it to look bluffy. Mission accomplished I suppose, I laughed pretty hard at the spoiler.
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Jan 30, 2012 17:13
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Bashez posted:AK I don't understand the flop bet. We can't fold better with just one barrel, and we certainly can't get value. Over-cards having equity against us aren't a worry, as we dominate most Broadways. Shouldn't we either c/f flop planning to vb maybe once on a later street, or c/c flop if we think a check induces bluffs?
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Jan 31, 2012 04:44
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Rob Filter posted:I don't understand the flop bet. We can't fold better with just one barrel, and we certainly can't get value. Over-cards having equity against us aren't a worry, as we dominate most Broadways. Yeah, I get the flop bet if we've been 3betting light and it is for value, but in general I don't think we should bet out here.
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Live 200NL at commerce, blinds are 3-5 hero has ~800 villain has ~400. Villian who's been losing a lot of hands without getting to showdown raises utg to 30, hero reraises utg+1 to 75 with KK; BB who doesn't matter because hes playing any 2 cards over and over again calls and villain calls. Flop is AJJ rainbow. check check check. Turn is Q bringing a flushdraw. BB checks Villain bets 50 hero calls BB folds. River is offsuit T. Villain moves all in for just over 200. Can hero fold here? Is there a street where hero should do anything drastically differently? I was really tired at the time and thinking back I feel like I don't beat too much assuming villain isn't an idiot, though I really wasn't sure at the time. He was pretty much unknown. I snapcalled without thinking and villain showed pocket jacks for quads and thought I was gonna show aces for a jackpot =( Rexpop fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Jan 31, 2012 |
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Jan 31, 2012 15:50
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It looks like you have an A and are not folding, so not sure why you think it is a snap call. I would definitely fold. I would also 3bet closer to 90 than 75.
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Jan 31, 2012 21:23
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Live NLHE $2/$5 Hero (UTG): ~$500 Villain (BB): ~$500. He's typically just an ABC player but he does bluff occasionally. Have played with him a bunch of times. I bet $20 preflop with A K (standard preflop raise size to this point). Folds to BB who calls.Flop comes K 5 2 (Pot: $38 with rake taken out).Villain checks. I bet $25. He raises to $80. I call $55. With TPTK and the backdoor NFD I called here. Turn is J (Pot: $198)Villain bets $110. I fold. I'm fine with folding here, but should I have folded on the flop or would that be too tight? I can't see KQ (or AK if he just flatted with that) check-raising this flop. What else can check-raise this flop that I beat?
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Jan 31, 2012 22:22
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Rob Filter posted:I don't understand the flop bet. We can't fold better with just one barrel, and we certainly can't get value. Over-cards having equity against us aren't a worry, as we dominate most Broadways. oops yeah I guess this makes a ton of sense
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Jan 31, 2012 22:29
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Rob Filter posted:I don't understand the flop bet. We can't fold better with just one barrel, and we certainly can't get value. Over-cards having equity against us aren't a worry, as we dominate most Broadways. Clearly this is false. I don't think we are ahead of his range here, but we aren't much behind either. Are you check folding every time you miss? How can a board get better for c betting? Unless he pots it why would you c/f? We have a lot of equity here simply because we likely have 6 outs in addition to the broadways he has, this isn't an easy flop to crush after calling a 3b. After calling the flop when the turn bricks do I decide A high is good? If the flop checks through what's the plan on missed turns? I feel like giving up the lead is worse than than the bet. I'll be put in a situation where I don't think I'm going to win without improving. I think it's true we don't win with a single bet the vast majority of the time but I think we can fold out a lot of pocket pairs on a lot of turns because we keep premiums in our range when we don't check this flop.
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Mind_Taker posted:I'm fine with folding here, but should I have folded on the flop or would that be too tight? I can't see KQ (or AK if he just flatted with that) check-raising this flop. What else can check-raise this flop that I beat? If you are folding, fold flop. I am not folding flop. He can have a hand like 56cc or KQ or maybe just some naked clubs (but not nut clubs since we have the Ac). We can't call flop and then fold one of the blankish turns it's just burning money. He's not raising flop and then checking behind turn very often at all. It seems like you're just calling because I HAVE A BACKDOOR with no plan whatsoever. re: checking AK on J88, i don't really like it. Unless we have a read that lets us ch/c we can't do anything except give up and that's going to make the hand very difficult to play. This isn't necessarily a bad thing but we're also going to let hands like T9 catch up and everything has a good amount of equity since we only have high cards. I like betting because we can get underpairs to fold (most likely on turn) and we protect vs hands like T9 that have equity vs us. Also we're OOP so what are we gonna do outplay him from OOP with ace high on all turns and rivers? I doubt it.
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Feb 1, 2012 00:24
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Actually villain is literally never checking behind turn!
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Feb 1, 2012 00:44
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MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:If you are folding, fold flop. I am not folding flop. He can have a hand like 56cc or KQ or maybe just some naked clubs (but not nut clubs since we have the Ac). We can't call flop and then fold one of the blankish turns it's just burning money. He's not raising flop and then checking behind turn very often at all. It seems like you're just calling because I HAVE A BACKDOOR with no plan whatsoever. After I called the flop I decided that I made a mistake, which is why I folded the turn. I realize that made my flop call basically burnt money, but I didn't want to compound that mistake by making another call on the turn. In terms of naked clubs, I guess he could be check-raising but based on my read he seems like he would just call with this type of hand. The fact that I have the A also removes a lot of these types of hands from his range.Similarly I don't expect AK or KQ to check-raise this flop based on my read of him being pretty ABC. You say you wouldn't fold flop, what would be your line against this type of opponent? Call/jam blank turn? Try to get it in on the flop?
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Mind_Taker posted:After I called the flop I decided that I made a mistake, which is why I folded the turn. I realize that made my flop call basically burnt money, but I didn't want to compound that mistake by making another call on the turn. My preferred line would be call/call/call. An ABC player can definitely raise those hands on this flop, I don't see any reason why they wouldn't? He has toppest pair and there's a flush draw possible so I'm pretty sure he can raise. Unless you want to put him on exactly 55 and 22 which isn't likely. Just call flop, call all turns and call most rivers depending on what he does and what it is. If turn is J and river is Q and he shoves I'm probably folding for instance. It's a bigger mistake to call flop and fold turn than it is to call flop and call turn. If you really want to just fold flop.
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Rexpop posted:Can hero fold here? Unless he is really really spazzy you should probably fold here (and as you said hes been playing alot of hands but not taking them to show down, so this likely isn't the case). Heres why we fold. His value range if hes not a retard is going to be straights and boats. Now the ratio of boats to straights (that you chop with) is entirely dependent on what kind of hands hes flatting 3 bets with. If hes flatting 3bets with AK/AQ 88-QQ as a lot of players do because they dont like getting it in with these hands, but don't like folding them either, then his value range is most likely gonna be.... 6 Combos of AK, which you chop with. 4 combos of QQ/JJ which you lose EVERYTHING too. (I am leaving out the unlikely but still possible oddly played AA/1010 or KK) So a lot of the time you will be risking 200, to win 100, when you lose everything 40% of the time. If we widen his flatting range to include KQ which would nicen up your equity just a touch, then we would probably have to add AJs too which would again gently caress it up. The TLDR of this is don't call for a chop (even when its the most likely outcome) when it isn't the nuts. (this is the first time I have tried to apply combinatorics to a hand, so If I hosed it up my apologies) TheAbortionator fucked around with this message at 08:21 on Feb 1, 2012 |
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Feb 1, 2012 08:09
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TheAbortionator posted:Unless he is really really spazzy you should probably fold here (and as you said hes been playing alot of hands but not taking them to show down, so this likely isn't the case). Heres why we fold. Sorry but all of the math here is wrong. Also his range can include QJ/AJ/JT no problem (and AA since he wants to keep the terrible villain in but that's kind of advanced/nonstandard and I wouldn't expect it often). TT is about the least likely boat and there's 1 combo of KK which is pretty inconsequential. Math-wise: The pot is not 100. We are not risking 200 to win 100. 75 pre with 3 players is 225. 50 on turn 2 players is 325. He jams 200 into 325 so we're risking 200 to win 525 which is actually a good price. Unfortunately we are either losing or chopping so we are risking 200 to win 265 or so if that is the case. We have to be chopping very very often to make that profitable. We are not. His flatting range can also include KQ no problem but that hand isn't likely to bet turn and there's only 6 combos of it. If we run it through pokerstove (which is mostly pointless because we aren't going to find any numbers that make us win): Board: Ah Jc Jd Qs Td Dead: code:e: oh and it should be obvious at this point in the post that chopping is not the most likely outcome (3 combos of QQ 3 of JJ 6 of AK 6 of AJ and depending on board either 1 or 2 combos each of QJ and JT suited. we're doing much worse if he ever has QJo or JTo) e2: getting 525 to 200 ( something like 2.62 to 1) we have to win 27.6% of the time. 15.79% is not that number. MY INEVITABLE DEBT fucked around with this message at 08:28 on Feb 1, 2012 |
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Feb 1, 2012 08:20
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Its worth noting that even with questionable math and ranges working in your favor its still a fold.
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Feb 1, 2012 08:53
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TheAbortionator posted:Its worth noting that even with questionable math and ranges working in your favor its still a fold. Getting to the right answer the wrong way makes it the wrong answer. Although making a range go in your favor and then slowly changing it to be more realistic/bad for you is a valuable tool and should not be underestimated.
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Feb 1, 2012 09:55
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TheAbortionator posted:Its worth noting that even with questionable math and ranges working in your favor its still a fold. yeah. that's the conclusion i came to a few minutes after the hand- regardless of the price i was getting and the fact that i had a straight, there was literally no hand i could possibly be ahead of. what a terrible spot!
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Re: The live AKx hand, it is kind of heroish to be calling 3 streets when you get c-raised cause people's range is so polarized to sets live but like, it's a wetboard, he can have hands like 34s, 65cc, KQ, etc. that it's just like megaexploitable to be folding TPTK in raised pots 3handed in position when he hit as hard as we do. Our plan should definitely be to stick around for two streets at least...if he shoves the river we can make a soul read but our plan should really be to call non-clubs. Obviously there are certain river cards we can snap-fold to. Watch the most recent episode of "Live at the Bike" where Dave makes a similar herocall on like the first hand of 5/5 when someone tries to make a move on him (gets check-raised on Q87ss when he has toppair, turn brings another FD, river is Jack which completes backdoor FD, Dave herocalls with QJ and villain had 96x for busted OESED, the fact that he rivered 2pair doesn't really matter cause i doubt Dave put him villain AQ, villain either had busted draw or sets in that spot) My hand, villain was 26/18/6.3% 3bet/1.6 AF over 126 hands, he was also a multitabling reg. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com Button ($54.98) SB ($43.27) BB ($19.25) Hero (UTG) ($50) MP ($52.12) CO ($50) Preflop: Hero is UTG with A , QHero bets $1.50, 2 folds, Button raises to $4.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $3 Flop: ($9.75) K , A, 8 (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50 Turn: ($16.75) 2 (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $5.50, Hero raises to $20, Button calls $14.50 River: ($56.75) 2 (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $26.98 (All-In), Hero calls $22 (All-In) Total pot: $100.75 | Rake: $2.50 Thought process: typically I c-raise flop when someone makes a really small bet like villain did cause it's like always a draw trying to peel while getting me to fold air. If I had a shittier hand I would probably c-raise then I can fire turns and they fold but I expected him to bet again and then I can check-raise the turn and I get more value that way. After that plan was to shove all non-heart river...then the heart comes. When he shoves it's kinda like 'poo poo' but shouldn't he be shoving turn if he has AK/KQhh/88/hearts? Thoughts? Just raise flop cause we don't know if he will bet turn? edit: one more thing about the AKx hand is that there are tons of combos of draws that villain can have and really only 6 combos of sets (he 3bets KK pre) so unless we have a sick read on him it's just giving him a ridiculous amount of credit to fold turn or even think about folding flop 100bb deep. Dr. Eat fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Feb 6, 2012 |
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Feb 6, 2012 15:13
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I fold pre, he isn't 3betting a ton and given that you are UTG he should be even tighter than normal. His range should have you pretty crushed and you're in a reverse implied odds spot while also OOP. With your postflop plan, you should treat this river as a blank. He shouldn't have too many flush draws because the Ah is out, and his flop and turn bets also don't really look like a flush draw, I think a flush draw would rather bet bigger to have some actual fold equity, or just check back the turn. The river still sucks because now you split with all Ax, but shoving is definitely better than c/c'ing. You might get him to fold a split or call with Kx, and I can't see him having any hand in his range that will bluff the river when checked to.
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Pre, meh. Against a good player I would fold OOP but this guy was a donk and AQ isn't like...AT or something. He could have been floating my turn c-raise to draw to like 2 outs or with plan on shoving if I don't with only half PSB left. I really don't see him checking anything back with the stack-pot size...by shoving that river I think I am kinda turning my hand into a bluff I dunno if he hero-calls me with Kx/folds chops though I can have hearts. If he doesn't have much showdown value he will definitely shove river when checked to.
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Dr. Eat posted:Pre, meh. Against a good player I would fold OOP but this guy was a donk and AQ isn't like...AT or something. This isnt analysis this is word salad. It would help everyone (including you) a lot more if you came up with a concrete thought process and the line that you would take instead of saying "well maybe he does this and maybe I do that but if I do that he might do this *end post*"
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Dr. Eat posted:He could have been floating my turn c-raise to draw to like 2 outs or with plan on shoving if I don't with only half PSB left. I really don't see him checking anything back with the stack-pot size...by shoving that river I think I am kinda turning my hand into a bluff I dunno if he hero-calls me with Kx/folds chops though I can have hearts. If he doesn't have much showdown value he will definitely shove river when checked to. Cmon man you really think a 26/18/6 is bet/calling that bigass turn c/r with QQ-? Or with QJ/QT/KQ/KJ/K8s non-hearts that he 3bet pre for some reason? If you're going to check this heart river it should be to fold to a shove because there are so very few hands that you beat. If you're going to c/c this river, you should definitely be folding to the 3bet pre. Also, since when are multitabling regs "donks?" Yeah a lot of multitabling regs have leaks, but that doesn't make them donks. Also, I think jamming river is a bit spewy; less so if you have the Qh. Still way way way way WAY better than c/c when your equity against his range is like 5% or something way lower than the low-20-something percent you need. Unamuno fucked around with this message at 08:49 on Feb 7, 2012 |
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Feb 7, 2012 08:44
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He had T9x fwiw. I had PTR'd him at one point...was down like 8k at NL50 over 1.5mill hands. Dr. Eat fucked around with this message at 08:59 on Feb 7, 2012 |
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Feb 7, 2012 08:54
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Dr. Eat posted:Pre, meh. Against a good player I would fold OOP but this guy was a donk and AQ isn't like...AT or something. Dr. Eat posted:I had PTR'd him at one point...was down like 8k at NL50 over 1.5mill hands. Seriously dude, half of your first post on this was about ANOTHER HAND. How about filling in details about YOUR HAND? Also just because he showed up here with a ridiculous hand does not mean you played it right. Edit: If he's this bad, why would you c/R turn?
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Feb 7, 2012 09:04
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