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R1CH posted:I've been running a production database server on an 80gb X-25M for over a year. SMART says there is 1 re-allocated sector, the "media wearout indicator" is at 97% and there's a total of 5.1TB of writes. I don't think wearing out the NAND should be a concern for anyone unless you're doing something crazy like using an SSD as a scratch drive for video projects. We've switched to using a ramdisk for our temp files on our build server, 60+GB data written every hour is half a petabyte per year.
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I didn't go through the step of aligning the partitions (or something to that effect) when I cloned my (factory new) Windows install to my SSD. Is there any way I can see how much that could be affecting my performance? Everything seems to be completely OK so it's more a matter of curiosity, unless the effect is somehow drastic. Also, the Intel SSD toolbox is telling me that DIPM isn't supported by my storage driver - should I try to fix this, or is it inconsequential? I'm not often away from AC power but when I am could always use more battery life. Mozi fucked around with this message at 10:40 on Feb 14, 2012 |
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Feb 14, 2012 10:35
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Mozi posted:I didn't go through the step of aligning the partitions (or something to that effect) when I cloned my (factory new) Windows install to my SSD. Is there any way I can see how much that could be affecting my performance? Everything seems to be completely OK so it's more a matter of curiosity, unless the effect is somehow drastic. If it's truly unaligned it's doing twice as much work for every write, and your reads could certainly improve. What version of Windows? Is it GPT based? That comes pre-aligned on Windows 7 (Vista too?).
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Feb 14, 2012 13:14
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I'll be getting my replacement Corsair Force GT 120GB today since newegg only allows replacements but not refunds. Should I try again which means reinstalling Win7 along with all my apps and games from scratch or should I just sell the goddamn thing?
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Feb 14, 2012 18:03
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Mozi posted:I didn't go through the step of aligning the partitions (or something to that effect) when I cloned my (factory new) Windows install to my SSD. Afaik, if you fire up AS SSD Bench it tells you if the alignment is off. If it says everything green in the upper left box then you are golden I think.
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Feb 14, 2012 18:23
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Vax posted:Okay so I have my Crucial M4 128G up and running. It runs pretty smooth I think. I have the Intel RST installed but I'm not sure which driver my Windows is currently using. Those 4k results are amazing. I finally updated my near 7 month old M4 128gb from firmware 002 to 309 recently (took me a long time due to having horrible firmware experience with my previous Vertex 2 and two Vertex 3 drives); but my 4k is nowhere near that good.  
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Feb 14, 2012 18:46
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So what's the recommended way to do a benchmark that will simulate worst case scenario for random writes? I believe a full SSD will perform worse than an almost empty one so is it just a case of fill the drive with any old crap then run the benchmarks?
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Feb 14, 2012 19:08
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Suggestions on the best way to clone one SSD to another so the alignments are good. I'm using an 80GB Gen2 Intel drive currently and just picked up a Crucial 128GB M4 and want to swap it in as my main drive without having to do a full re-install.
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Feb 14, 2012 19:40
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Bitch Stewie posted:So what's the recommended way to do a benchmark that will simulate worst case scenario for random writes? Don't you have better things to do with your time? Unless you have an actual hard requirement you need to test, just don't worry about it. It's better than obsessing over benchmarks and posting stupid crap like this: AvatarSteve posted:but my 4k is nowhere near that good. Seriously, 80MB of random 4KB writes will take your drive one second, his drive 2/3rds of a second. There's a fair chance you wouldn't be able to distinguish the difference between the two, even side by side. But it doesn't matter, because those same writes would take even an above average desktop hard drive 3-4 minutes. Software goes to great lengths to ensure that kind of activity will never, ever happen, because it would be totally unusable for anyone with a mechanical hard drive. Edit: Inovius posted:Suggestions on the best way to clone one SSD to another so the alignments are good. I'm using an 80GB Gen2 Intel drive currently and just picked up a Crucial 128GB M4 and want to swap it in as my main drive without having to do a full re-install. Clonezilla will work well for that. It's a pain if you're trying to move from a larger drive to a smaller drive, but for the other way around it's easy and will maintain alignment. Zhentar fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Feb 14, 2012 |
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Zhentar posted:Don't you have better things to do with your time? Unless you have an actual hard requirement you need to test, just don't worry about it. It's better than obsessing over benchmarks and posting stupid crap like this: Yes and no. This is being used for a database application so a poo poo ton of random writes. It's not mission critical, but speed is important. I'm not going to obsess, but I am asking for a reason rather than to try and make Windows boot .13 of a second quicker 
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Mozi posted:Also, the Intel SSD toolbox is telling me that DIPM isn't supported by my storage driver - should I try to fix this, or is it inconsequential? I'm not often away from AC power but when I am could always use more battery life. From what I've seen, DIPM will save you about half a watt. If you've got an older laptop or a high-powered desktop replacement, this probably won't make a visible difference. On a more efficient, low power laptop, this will be a bigger difference; on my X220, an extra half a watt would be a 10-20% reduction in battery life for light usage. Bitch Stewie posted:Yes and no. This is being used for a database application so a poo poo ton of random writes. It's not mission critical, but speed is important. Anand describes some of his worst-possible-case testing procedure here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5147/the-ocz-octane-review-512gb/6
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Feb 14, 2012 20:01
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Zhentar posted:Seriously, 80MB of random 4KB writes will take your drive one second, his drive 2/3rds of a second. There's a fair chance you wouldn't be able to distinguish the difference between the two, even side by side. But it doesn't matter, because those same writes would take even an above average desktop hard drive 3-4 minutes. Software goes to great lengths to ensure that kind of activity will never, ever happen, because it would be totally unusable for anyone with a mechanical hard drive. Ah, well in that case, awesome. I think I'll go educate myself on the meaning behind the 4k/Seq/512k readings.
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Feb 14, 2012 20:40
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What's a fair price for a used 64GB C300?
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Bitch Stewie posted:Yes and no. This is being used for a database application so a poo poo ton of random writes. It's not mission critical, but speed is important. What type of workload are we talking... what sort of duration? You are going into different territory when talking about semi-enterprise use. The Anand article linked looks entirely at burst speeds and consumer workload patterns... which might only apply for a few hours in your setup. How much idle time does your setup have?
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dietcokefiend posted:What type of workload are we talking... what sort of duration? You are going into different territory when talking about semi-enterprise use. The Anand article linked looks entirely at burst speeds and consumer workload patterns... which might only apply for a few hours in your setup. How much idle time does your setup have? A database used by our backup app. Duration will be persistent periods with varying IO i.e. the backup window, and then periods of nothing at all. I would stress that I know we're using a consumer grade drive - the vendors own recommendation for performance is RAID0 (because it backs itself up regularly and isn't critical) so I've worked off the assumption that for random writes, even a poorly performing SSD should perform better than a 3-4 spinning drive RAID0 - but I don't know enough about how/whether to demonstrate this.
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Feb 14, 2012 21:23
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Maybe it was meant to link this article, a roundup of Intel SSDs in enterprise workloads, i.e. running AnandTech.com and its forums?
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Feb 14, 2012 21:24
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fletcher posted:What's a fair price for a used 64GB C300? Maybe $50?
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Factory Factory posted:Maybe it was meant to link this article, a roundup of Intel SSDs in enterprise workloads, i.e. running AnandTech.com and its forums? Even those tests are still all burst transfers, not duration. So not really applicable in an enterprise environment where you are looking at constant activity. Bitch Stewie posted:A database used by our backup app. Duration will be persistent periods with varying IO i.e. the backup window, and then periods of nothing at all. Well in that case picking something stable/reliable on the consumer side shouldn't be a problem. Do you have any stats on previous equipment to know what sort of data you are writing to these per year to guesstimate how long they will last?
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Feb 14, 2012 21:36
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dietcokefiend posted:The Anand article linked looks entirely at burst speeds and consumer workload patterns... which might only apply for a few hours in your setup. I linked to the article I meant to, although with only a little bit of searching so it may not have been the best example. I was only linking to that particular page of the article though, and only for the procedures described (Doing a sequential write pass across the whole drive, then sustained random 4k writes for an extended period).
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Feb 14, 2012 21:55
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dietcokefiend posted:Well in that case picking something stable/reliable on the consumer side shouldn't be a problem. Do you have any stats on previous equipment to know what sort of data you are writing to these per year to guesstimate how long they will last? I went for an Intel 320 - not going to set the world on fire but it seemed to get consistently good solid feedback, and they do it in 600gb which was important. Unfortunately I don't have a clue about the volume put through the database as it's the dedupe databases used by our backup app, it's not the backup data or anything that's totalled/measured.
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I've been keeping my eye out for a cheap 500GB flash drive for a while now. I missed the Samsung 830 for $600 a while back. I see newegg has the M4 512GB for $650 today. This this a decent drive? I want the part for an IB build.
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Chuu posted:I've been keeping my eye out for a cheap 500GB flash drive for a while now. I missed the Samsung 830 for $600 a while back. It's a very nice drive.
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Chuu posted:I see newegg has the M4 512GB for $650 today. This this a decent drive? I want the part for an IB build. I got my M4 128G for a couple of days now and was very skeptical about the whole SSD issue at first but now that I experienced it first hand I'm convinced. So if you want to spend that much money on a drive go for it.
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DNova posted:It's a very nice drive. It's even a recommended drive in the second line of the very first paragaph of the OP that nobody reads!
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Has anyone bought a patriot sandforse ssd? They were not mentioned in the op. It's on sale for 140 sata 6 and boasts 500+ read/ write at 120gb. I'm still waiting on my rma for my corsair force 120gb and my fiances hdd died. I was thinking platters are so expensive right now I would go ssd. Should I bite or wait for something more reputable on sale to come along. Thanks!
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LunaSky posted:Has anyone bought a patriot sandforse ssd? They were not mentioned in the op. It's on sale for 140 sata 6 and boasts 500+ read/ write at 120gb. I'm still waiting on my rma for my corsair force 120gb and my fiances hdd died. I was thinking platters are so expensive right now I would go ssd. Should I bite or wait for something more reputable on sale to come along. Thanks! $140 shipped for a known-to-be very good drive: http://www.macconnection.com/IPA/Sh...ae00953463c685c That's the best price I've ever seen for it.
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LunaSky posted:Has anyone bought a patriot sandforse ssd? They were not mentioned in the op. It's on sale for 140 sata 6 and boasts 500+ read/ write at 120gb. I'm still waiting on my rma for my corsair force 120gb and my fiances hdd died. I was thinking platters are so expensive right now I would go ssd. Should I bite or wait for something more reputable on sale to come along. Thanks! What model are you looking at specifically? I have a WildFire in front of me that just won't die no matter how hard I abuse it.
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Aww shucks says its not available. Ill wait for a sale then thanks! Edit: its a Pyro SE.
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dietcokefiend posted:What model are you looking at specifically? I have a WildFire in front of me that just won't die no matter how hard I abuse it. Is this for an endurance test because holy poo poo.
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LunaSky posted:Aww shucks says its not available. Ill wait for a sale then thanks! That was fast. There's one more option for the M4 today though. Here it is for $152.20. Make sure you use the $10 coupon code displayed on the page. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicat...g2L_Ys5uHEH6kLQ
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DNova posted:Is this for an endurance test because holy poo poo. I got bored one day and really just wanted to see what happened. Lighting on fire hasn't happened yet.... yet
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dietcokefiend posted:I got bored one day and really just wanted to see what happened. Lighting on fire hasn't happened yet.... yet  . Are you watching the write speeds too? I think the SF drives people were testing just slowed down/throttled if they were writing enough so they wouldn't kill themselves...well the SF drives that lasted that long in the first place.
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dietcokefiend posted:What model are you looking at specifically? I have a WildFire in front of me that just won't die no matter how hard I abuse it. But its only been on for 192 hours?! How in hell did you get that much data written in 192 hours?
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redeyes posted:But its only been on for 192 hours?! How in hell did you get that much data written in 192 hours? That's only 175MB/s, easy to hit.
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Zhentar posted:That's only 175MB/s, easy to hit. japtor posted:Join in on that forum doing endurance tests Yea ran into a few link-negotiation quirks where it dropped from 6.0 down to 1.5gbs and had to power cycle the drive, but it has pretty much been going at 181MB/s since I started. Main interest is just to get an idea of what I might expect from a SF2200/Toggle config'd SSD.
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I just got a Crucial 128GB M4 that was on buy.com for $147 last week and I'm looking to put it in my x120e. What is the best way to go about cloning my windows 7 to the SSD from the HD on a laptop with no CD drive (no external drive)? I got an external enclosure for my current drive so I can use it for backup, but now it looks like I should have gotten an USB-to-SATA cable? Can I create a disk image and put it on a USB drive and then boot to the SSD from that? Sorry,  wasn't too helpful for me and I didn't see anything about this in the FAQ.e: looks like this covers what I need to know, just took stronger googling http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/storage/how_to_clone_your_notebook_macbook_hard_disk_to_an_ssd/1 Laminator fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Feb 16, 2012 |
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dietcokefiend posted:Yea ran into a few link-negotiation quirks where it dropped from 6.0 down to 1.5gbs and had to power cycle the drive, but it has pretty much been going at 181MB/s since I started. Main interest is just to get an idea of what I might expect from a SF2200/Toggle config'd SSD. Amazing. So whats the running champ of writes?
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DNova posted:That was fast. There's one more option for the M4 today though. Awesome thanks. Picked it up and it will be here on the 17th hopefully! This will be faster than my old Corsair SSD right?
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LunaSky posted:Awesome thanks. Picked it up and it will be here on the 17th hopefully! This will be faster than my old Corsair SSD right? Faster in sustained writes and reads but not faster for every day usage.
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