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Rap Music and Dope posted:Combat is boring though its just like choose attack and watch numbers so you know when to heal. Basically any RPG from the 90's requires a pretty low bar to enjoy combat. In its defense, the Tech idea was seriously revolutionary when the game came out (or was at least the best-executed version to date).
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I'm considering buying a Vita at launch, and am looking into adding a couple of downloadable PSP games to play off it. Three in particular happen to be RPGs, so I'm looking for opinions on the following: Trails in the Sky: I've heard a lot of praise about this game, though not too many details on what makes it great. What makes it so great? Tactics Ogre: I have a better understanding why people like this game, as it's basically a more complex Final Fantasy Tactics, writer and artist included. About the only question I have is whether or not you can save your progress at any time, including battles? Persona 3 Portable: I have tried on three separate occasions to play through P3 on the PS2. The first time was because I was given a copy of FES, the other two times were because I lost my saved data (first time because my PS2 memory card died, second because my PS3 died). I've been considering starting over with the Portable version, but I'm trying to determine if it's the "definitive" one. Last I checked, the game is missing anime cutscenes as well as the ability to freely run around town and school (but that might be more of a positive). What changes did they do to make the core game better, and do they make up for what's missing from the console release? Lastly, if I had to choose between those three, which would be the one to go for?
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Feb 16, 2012 06:23
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Its not just anime cutscenes, its also missing the in-engine polygonal stuff. All plot development was replaced with talking heads. Pretty big mark against it imo, because that stuff is half the reason I like Persona. Its a much better game mechanically though, adopting a bunch of Persona 4's pleasant improvements like direct party control. I haven't played Trails in the Sky yet, but Tactics Ogre and Persona are both some of the best SRPGs and JRPGs respectively, and the PSP versions are the definitive way to play those games. You can't go wrong either way, get whichever has the kind of gameplay that appeals to you more.
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Feb 16, 2012 06:34
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Ugh, too bad. I know they aren't exactly cutting edge polygons, but I know I would get tired of watching nothing but talking heads the whole way. I guess I'll wait for the Vita version of Persona 4 instead...which I also conveniently lost the save file to. At least I was able to finish that one before the PS3 crashed. 
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Feb 16, 2012 06:38
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Primoman posted:Ugh, too bad. I know they aren't exactly cutting edge polygons, but I know I would get tired of watching nothing but talking heads the whole way. Personally, I'd say P3P is the definitive version. The talking heads can get boring, but you can just stop reading instead and LISTEN to the voice acting! Which they have for EVERYTHING! Seriously, don't miss out on this. I personally liked the grinding, but can still agree that it does get tedious (and the random dungeon design doesn't really help), but you can do all of this (almost) mindlessly while watching some crap. I haven't played trails in the sky yet, but I've heard amazing things. It's on sale on the PSN right now, pick it up.
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Feb 16, 2012 13:18
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Primoman posted:I'm considering buying a Vita at launch, and am looking into adding a couple of downloadable PSP games to play off it. Three in particular happen to be RPGs, so I'm looking for opinions on the following: One thing: I've heard that not all PSP titles are compatible on the Vita. You might want to check that out before you buy one for PSP games.
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Primoman posted:I'm considering buying a Vita at launch, and am looking into adding a couple of downloadable PSP games to play off it. Three in particular happen to be RPGs, so I'm looking for opinions on the following: Trails in the sky is generally a good all around RPG, portable or not. It has great music, likeable-ish characters. Battles are turn based on a grid with certain turns giving specific bonuses to party members acting on that turn. Turns can also be interrupted or switched around which leads to quite a bit of strategy in combat. The magic system is similar to Final Fantasy 7's materia system with any party member able to learn any spell simply by equipping certain magic items. Also it's quite lengthy with plenty of quests and side missions. I'd recommend watching a few videos just to see if you like the feel of the combat and art style. Overall though I'd highly recommend it.
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Feb 16, 2012 14:02
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mune posted:I have really enjoyed games where you're supposed to die at first but each little bit of progress gives you a reward that you permanently have from the beginning of the game so you eventually make your way up to being super-powered. Plus you're getting better at the game! Demon's Souls/Dark Souls is kind of like this too, you only lose souls/humanity when you die but you keep any items you gain and any shortcuts or disarmed traps unlocked. This kind of positive defeat model actively encourages the player to continue playing.
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Feb 16, 2012 14:03
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Yeah, not all PSP games are available for Vita, but there are still quite a few of them: http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/02/09/how-to-download-psp-titles-to-ps-vita/ There are a lot of good titles available that make me reconsider my unwillingness to buy it at launch, since I don't have a PSP anymore and missed outon a lot of titles. There are actually a dangerous number of attractive titles...
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Feb 16, 2012 14:13
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Primoman posted:I've been considering starting over with the Portable version, but I'm trying to determine if it's the "definitive" one. Last I checked, the game is missing anime cutscenes as well as the ability to freely run around town and school (but that might be more of a positive). P3P also lets you play through as a female version of the Main character who has the huge distinction of having all of the other Sees kids as her social links. It gives you a good reason to get to know your squad mates rather than a bunch of random shmucks around town. I felt more connected to the characters and story in the FemMc run than in the entirety of my run with the Male character. also the Shinji social link arc as the FemMc is so 
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Feb 16, 2012 15:07
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softcorps posted:Yeah, not all PSP games are available for Vita, but there are still quite a few of them:
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Feb 16, 2012 16:14
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Has anyone played Ys Origin using the English patch that came out in November'ish? Is it a decent patch? Looking at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP9BnOAMrpk - it looks like a pretty sharp job.
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Feb 16, 2012 17:12
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Rascyc posted:Has anyone played Ys Origin using the English patch that came out in November'ish? Is it a decent patch? Yeah it was perfectly fine when I ran through it. Unfortunately it also reminded me just how mediocre Ys Origin is. :/
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Feb 16, 2012 17:15
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Oh, is it? For some reason, in my mind, I thought I had read it was better than Oath? Is that not the case? =(
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Feb 16, 2012 17:17
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I should clarify that it's mediocre for an Ys game, so that means it's still pretty good all things considered. It's definitely way worse than Oath though, for a variety of reasons. These aren't really spoilers but I'll tag them anyway just in case you want to go in totally blind. - The game is shorter than Oath and they expect you to play through it 3 times before you can actually fight the real final boss and get the real ending. That also means only one of the characters can actually fight the final boss. :/ - There's nothing but the tower in the game really. In most other Ys games, there are towns to run around and talk to people, side quests, and stuff like that. There is the bottom floor base where there are people to talk to, but none of them are particularly interesting/fun characters. - Hugo is extremely overpowered but also really unfun to play as. - The difficulty balance in the game is totally off. The game peaks in difficulty around the half way point (the desert boss) and then becomes almost laughably easy by the time you get to the last few bosses. - The difficulty levels are wonky as well. "Normal" is really drat easy, "Hard" feels slightly easier than the Normal from Oath. Nightmare starts to hit that place where it becomes more tedious than difficult. - Overall it just feels really phoned in. From Ys6 to YsF there was a definite evolution in the gameplay systems and balance. But YsO feels like a clone of YsF but with a lot of stuff stripped out. If you've beaten Oath on Normal you'll definitely want to play Origin on Hard, at least. Also, Origin doesn't get along with Windows 7 at all, it's basically not playable on it because it will reliably crash in places. So I hope you're running XP if you want to play it. (Not actually sure if Oath has the same problem or not since I haven't tried to run it on 7 yet) If that sounds like a lot of negativity, I'll just repeat that the game is actually not bad. It's just a huge step down from Oath and IMO is the weakest title in the series. (Not counting Ys5 which I haven't played) Edit: Oh yeah, I'll definitely give it one huge positive point: The water level is actually the best part of the whole game and is probably the best water level I've ever seen in a video game.
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Speaking of Ys, I've never played any of the games but have been meaning to get recommendations on where to start. As I recall, there are two Ys games on the PSP, including a remake of the first two. What's the best Ys game to start with, and/or the best Ys game overall?
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Feb 16, 2012 19:10
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Oath in Felghana is amazing and available on the PSP. It's worth playing no matter what, at least. Pretty sure 99% of Ys fans will say this is the best one. As for where to start...I don't think it'd be a major problem to start with Oath, but the gameplay is a lot different than the earlier games. I think the PC remake of YS I & II (called Ys I & II Complete) is a good "classic" introduction to the series, the only caveat being that I would recommend patching the game so that it uses the original PC-Engine music. Ys Seven (for the PSP) is also pretty good, though again a lot different from the rest.
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^^^^ The best Ys game is actually Zwei II. Too bad it'll never be translated and the fan translation is going nowhere.TheOriginalEd posted:P3P also lets you play through as a female version of the Main character who has the huge distinction of having all of the other Sees kids as her social links. It gives you a good reason to get to know your squad mates rather than a bunch of random shmucks around town. I felt more connected to the characters and story in the FemMc run than in the entirety of my run with the Male character. Plus she gets new music! At school, in battle, boss battles, etc. For comparison male and female battle themes. It's up to you which is better but it's refreshing at least. Amppelix fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Feb 16, 2012 |
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Feb 16, 2012 19:22
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Do the Ys games (or specifically Oath) share any sort of continuity? Would there be story elements and such I wouldn't fully appreciate for not playing the other games, or is it more like Final Fantasy where the only connections are aesthetics and themes?
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Primoman posted:Do the Ys games (or specifically Oath) share any sort of continuity? Would there be story elements and such I wouldn't fully appreciate for not playing the other games, or is it more like Final Fantasy where the only connections are aesthetics and themes? There are a number of heavy connections but the games are self contained enough that you don't have to play them in any order if you don't want to. Usually the connections are more minor plot points or backstory than anything else. The only major exception is I&II, as 2 is a direct continuation of 1 and is meant to be played immediately after. The other connections go like: Origin -> I & II -> 4 Ys3/Oath -> Ys6 -> Ys7 I'm not actually sure if 5 has anything to do with any of the other ones. Primoman posted:What's the best Ys game to start with, and/or the best Ys game overall? Oath is definitely the best overall and it's pretty hard to argue with. But it might also not be your favorite. Everyone seems to rank the games their own way so I'd recommend you just play them all at some point. Oath is definitely a solid place to start, as are I&II. Gwyrgyn Blood fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Feb 16, 2012 |
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Feb 16, 2012 19:26
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TheOriginalEd posted:P3P also lets you play through as a female version of the Main character who has the huge distinction of having all of the other Sees kids as her social links. It gives you a good reason to get to know your squad mates rather than a bunch of random shmucks around town. I felt more connected to the characters and story in the FemMc run than in the entirety of my run with the Male character. The problem I had with it is the that cutting out all the models walking around during cut scenes really just killed my sense of enjoyment. Things just seemed more immersive when I could watch a character do something instead of year a sound effect and maybe read about it.
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Atlus just sent out an email titled _____ (five _s) with this severely darkened image attached. Using Paint.NET's auto-level function gets the following, but I'm too unfamiliar with image manipulation to go much further. Original image at the above link if anyone else wants to try and see if there's anything at all. My first thought is just P4G because of the "tuned", but that seems too.. easy. edit: FighterKnuckles posted:Actually, look at Ultimate's Logo. maketakunai fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Feb 17, 2012 |
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Feb 17, 2012 01:20
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Stay Tuned screams Persona 4 Golden. That or the fighting game. Or both
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Feb 17, 2012 01:28
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Apparently I was out of the loop about this, but the Square Enix Members site got hacked back in December. I went to log into my account to check on it and it says that the login function is down for maintenance. 
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Gwyrgyn Blood posted:Oath is definitely the best overall and it's pretty hard to argue with. But it might also not be your favorite. Everyone seems to rank the games their own way so I'd recommend you just play them all at some point. Oath is definitely a solid place to start, as are I&II. This game is fun, but gently caress if it's not the hardest aRPG I've ever played. Apparently "Normal" difficulty means scraping by every boss by the skin of your teeth after dying 20-30 times in the process, and occasionally dying to trash mobs before you realize you're even taking damage.
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I found that I would generally get obliterated in boss battles, but if I leveled up one more time they would be easier. It seemed like normal progression through the game always resulted in you being exactly one level too low. That elemental knight boss in the castle being the worst offender of this, if my memory serves me right.
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softcorps posted:So... I know this is rather random but it is vaguely relevant to the thread. I found this pic off of 4chan after someone there dug it out of their personal archives. Reverse GIS and Tineye don't reveal anything useful and the person who saved the pic has no idea about its origins. It looks like something off a Photoshop Phriday but I can't seem to find anything about it.       What a guy.
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Pash posted:The problem I had with it is the that cutting out all the models walking around during cut scenes really just killed my sense of enjoyment. Things just seemed more immersive when I could watch a character do something instead of year a sound effect and maybe read about it. It's absolutely not for everyone. I enjoyed it immensely, but that may have been because I'm used to Visual Novel-style games. I've played both versions and I'll say that P3P is definitely the best version due to the sheer amount of updates/extra content. I can't stand strictly turned-based games in which I can't control my other party members as well, so that would have influence on my decision.
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Nate RFB posted:I found that I would generally get obliterated in boss battles, but if I leveled up one more time they would be easier. It seemed like normal progression through the game always resulted in you being exactly one level too low. That elemental knight boss in the castle being the worst offender of this, if my memory serves me right. The first couple of boss fights were the worst because they completely caught me off guard in terms of difficulty (and the first real boss fight was basically impossible until I FAQed it and found out there was a gem I missed that made the fight easy). After that it was more shmup-style, where I had to just be extremely precise and cautious. I just came off of Dark Souls and this makes that look like a walk in the park.
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All this Ys talk has made me nostalgic for Ys I & II Complete, so I reinstalled it. Oh my goodness, this game does not run very well in Windows 7  The only way I could get it to play normally was to kill explorer.exe and launch the game .exe. At least Felghana seems to play normally...E: Making a .bat file that runs this seems to be the best solution: taskkill /f /IM explorer.exe Start /wait ys1_win.exe Start explorer.exe Just don't have any folders open that you don't mind closing I guess. Nate RFB fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Feb 20, 2012 |
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Holy poo poo, you guys weren't kidding. I decided to try out Oath in Felghana, and started it on nightmare since I was looking for a challenge. There is no  big enough. I'm loving it though.
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Feb 20, 2012 04:23
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SMT: Devil Survivor 2 comes out next week. Do you need to have played the first game beforehead or are they both fairly stand-alone?
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iastudent posted:SMT: Devil Survivor 2 comes out next week. Do you need to have played the first game beforehead or are they both fairly stand-alone? They are completely stand alone. DS2 is a thematic sequel instead of a plot sequel. Both are just basically based around the idea "You are in modern day Japan during a looming apocolypse with demons invading" but take it in different directions. Devil Survivor 1 is basically "what if the SMT apocolypse was a slower process" and Devil Survivor 2 is "Boy, we sure liked Neon Genesis Evangelion."
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Viash posted:Holy poo poo, you guys weren't kidding. I decided to try out Oath in Felghana, and started it on nightmare since I was looking for a challenge. There is no Also I am playing Oath lately and forgot how god-awful the VA work is on everyone except Elena.
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Oh there is voice acting on the PSP version? Didn't know that. Ys should not have voice acting. Rascyc posted:You are crazy starting out on Nightmare. The biggest drawbacks of the higher difficulties is you have so much less time to learn the boss patterns because you get put in a dumpster so much faster. Not to mention having to grind a little more and the bosses being 10x more tedious to fight because they take FOREVER to kill. Hard mode seems to be the sweet spot for most of the games, Nightmare is good for Origin though.
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What's a good entry point (or codifier) for the Megami Tensei franchise? I have always been interested in the games but totally lost as to what's worth, what should be done in order, that kind of stuff. I don't really know how Persona relates, but I have a copy of Persona 2 and haven't actually played it yet.
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Persona 4 is the easiest and also the least depressing, so you should probably go with that. or Persona 3 Portable if you want something to go. Digital Devil Saga is probably a good middle ground where as SMT3: Nocturne is the hard one.
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MockingQuantum posted:What's a good entry point (or codifier) for the Megami Tensei franchise? I have always been interested in the games but totally lost as to what's worth, what should be done in order, that kind of stuff. I don't really know how Persona relates, but I have a copy of Persona 2 and haven't actually played it yet. Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne is an actual SMT game and is a dungeon crawler in the vein of the old games, but with many modern conveniences. I'd start with this one for the sake of actually experience a mainline game. Persona 3 is a life sim RPG with dungeon crawling segments and is a great game that is challenging but easier than SMT III. Persona 4 is an excellent sequel to that game. If you're going to play Persona 3, play FES and not Persona 3 Portable. Just trust me on this one. Play the Portable version on a second play through if you have to. If you want to try a game that's more like the original two SMTs, try Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey which is more Wizardry-like than SMT3 but still a great portable game and a bit more traditional than SMT3. Those are, in my opinion, the best places to start.
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This question gets asked a lot, and honestly I don't think there's really a right or wrong place to start. Persona 2, Persona 3, Persona 4, Nocturne, Digital Devil Saga 1, Devil Survivor, and Strange Journey are all great self-contained (more or less) titles. I think it comes down to what the person is willing to deal with, whether it's the game's age, the style of gameplay, or the difficulty. Yes, Persona 3/4 are probably the easiest, while Nocturne is one of the hardest, but I don't think that means you would be completely flabbergasted playing Nocturne first. Maybe you want something in the middle difficulty-wise, like DDS1. Persona 2 is my favorite MegaTen game period on the other hand and was the second one I ever played (the first being Persona 1, which I hated), but it's also the oldest on this list and not nearly as streamlined as Persona 3/4. Does a roguelike sound more fun? Go Strange Journey. A SRPG? Devil Survivor. They're honestly all good games, and I think all potentially good introduction points.
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What's roguelike about Strange Journey? Unless you're referring to forma spawns every time you re-enter a dungeon. I just got to that part by the way so I'm genuinely curious.
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