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Bixington posted:I've been looking around at smaller bikes (between 50 and 250cc) and I'm wondering if any have made it over to the states in enough numbers to get one at a reasonable price. Aprilia RS50's and possibly RS125's made it over didn't they? The full power RS125 is awesome fun, definitely go ride one if you get the chance.
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Bixington posted:I've been looking around at smaller bikes (between 50 and 250cc) and I'm wondering if any have made it over to the states in enough numbers to get one at a reasonable price. I've seen a couple of the smaller (125CC) Hyosungs at the local bike shop. Almost picked one up as my first bike, actually.
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Apr 18, 2012 01:30
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It'll be fine. Just make sure you go sit on one before buying to make sure you're not (totally) uncomfortable on it. Really it and had the Ninja250 are much-of-a-muchness when comparing the two, can't go wrong with either as a first bike. Although the Honda is available with ABS which is a bonus for a newbie ride. Just don't waste your money buying a brand new one.
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Apr 18, 2012 01:39
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I haven't ridden one, but I have sat on one, and as a tall dude you'll like the CBR much more. I don't fit right on the Ninja. Besides it being small, the angle of the tank doesn't work with my long legs. The CBR was much more comfortable and my legs fit in the sides of the tank well. You'll be buying pretty new but aside from that it should be great. I'd think the torqueier single would be better for street riding too, but as I said I've only ridden a Ninja. A guy down the street has one of the CBR250s but I haven't caught him outside and been able to say hi yet.
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Apr 18, 2012 01:56
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Atleast in my area, the CBR250s are ridiculously hard to find, especially used. We found 2 at a dealership and they weren't even put together. Plus the guy trying to sell them admitted to never even ridden a bike before  . I really didn't want to spend 5000bux either.They seem like a better package, but it'll be hard to find one for what you can get a newish ninja250 for. If you are in the states I think the CBR250 has only been around since 2011(?).
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Apr 18, 2012 02:37
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I'm 6'4'' and when I owned Ninja 250's, I weighted 210 lbs, and they were comfy like a sofa. They got me quick up to 70 too. I sat on a CBR250R this recent weekend and its body curves definitely accommodate my body more. This MIGHT give more of a "stable" feeling at highway speeds. If you want to save money and plan on upgrading soon, go for the Ninja.
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Apr 18, 2012 02:39
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2ndclasscitizen posted:Although the Honda is available with ABS which is a bonus for a newbie ride. Do you guys think ABS on a first bike is a good idea? Might build some bad habits... not that I think locking the front wheel and going down is a great way to get an education in braking, mind you.
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Apr 18, 2012 02:55
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Pompous Rhombus posted:Do you guys think ABS on a first bike is a good idea? Might build some bad habits... not that I think locking the front wheel and going down is a great way to get an education in braking, mind you. Yes definitely. Anyone who is just going to go "It's ok, I've got ABS!" *jams on front brake* wasn't going to practice stopping anyway, and it won't stop anyone who wants to practice from doing so. Hell, if you can tell when the ABS kicks in it might help as you'll know when you've locked up without actually doing it.
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Apr 18, 2012 03:31
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Jose Pointero posted:Yeah I definitely need to go sit on both of them to see how they feel. One "problem" I've found so far on the CBR250 is simply trying to find one. There apparently aren't any used ones here at all, and I'm not sure if any dealers in Austin even has a new one in stock since their websites just say "request a quote". I think Central Texas Powersports in Georgetown still has a 2011 CB250, but it's been a while since I was up there last. Call them.
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Apr 18, 2012 04:12
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My local place has two brand-new orange and white CBR250s on the floor, assembled, and the last time I was there poking around at one of them the sales guy came up and said "oh, you don't want THAT thing." This dumb city is about 85% bagger cruisers, 10% liter bikes and 5% anything cool and different.
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Apr 18, 2012 04:24
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Jose Pointero posted:Hey speaking of beginner bikes, what is the consensus on the Honda CBR250R? I know the Ninja 250 has been the default bike for newbies for quite a while now; but as a Honda fanboy I'm finding myself drawn to the CBR250. One other positive side of the cbr250 is that it is fuel injected.
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Apr 18, 2012 04:29
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Why would a salesman working off commission sell you a 250 for 4 thousand when he could sell you at least a 600 for 10k++?
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Apr 18, 2012 04:57
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JP Money posted:Why would a salesman working off commission sell you a 250 for 4 thousand when he could sell you at least a 600 for 10k++? Well, had I been interested in buying the CBR250, he would have sold me neither because I would have driven 2 hours to a dealership that doesn't act like they know better what the customer wants.
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Apr 18, 2012 05:04
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Jose Pointero posted:As far as the ABS, I'll pass on that. I'd much rather learn to modulate the brakes properly. I think I've already got some bad braking habits from riding in the dirt and mud all these years. How does ABS stop you learning to brake properly?
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Apr 18, 2012 05:52
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Jose Pointero posted:Seems like it might be too forgiving, like you wouldn't worry about grabbing a bit too much brake because it wouldn't lock right away. But since I've never rode an ABS equipped bike I'm just making assumptions. It's still gonna lock, it'll just automatically unlock for you. And it doesn't feel good to trigger ABS, generally. Most of the time the bike suspension rebounds a bit when it cycles and feels unsettled and it's just sort of crappy. But it's much better than crashing.
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Apr 18, 2012 06:07
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Jose Pointero posted:a Linked brakes seems to be mostly a Honda thing, in that when you apply the front brake, the rear brake is activated also. It's not applied as hard as what you are applying to the front of course, but it's there, and you can tell. I *personally* don't mind it, but some people really don't like it.
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Do they still do that stupid thing and apply the front brakes if you use the rear on it's own? Because people hated combined brakes for that.
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2ndclasscitizen posted:Do they still do that stupid thing and apply the front brakes if you use the rear on it's own? Because people hated combined brakes for that. I think this is how it works. Front brake you can apply on its own, but if you apply the rear it applies a bit of front, too. Which would annoy the poo poo out of me.
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Gay Nudist Dad posted:I think this is how it works. Front brake you can apply on its own, but if you apply the rear it applies a bit of front, too. Which would annoy the poo poo out of me. Depends on the bike. Here's how the ST1300 works - http://stwiki.notonthe.net/twiki/bin/view/ST13/LinkedBrakingSystem Not all Honda linked systems are like this though. It's never been a problem for me or countless other riders, but as always, to each their own 
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Gay Nudist Dad posted:I think this is how it works. Front brake you can apply on its own, but if you apply the rear it applies a bit of front, too. Which would annoy the poo poo out of me. Must make slow speed manuevering fun.
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Sagebrush posted:My local place has two brand-new orange and white CBR250s on the floor, assembled, and the last time I was there poking around at one of them the sales guy came up and said "oh, you don't want THAT thing." This dumb city is about 85% bagger cruisers, 10% liter bikes and 5% anything cool and different. Baggers and liter bikes are not cool.
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I disagree. After having ridden a CBR1000RR lately and coming from the drz where I am full throttle at literally zero consequence to having the front of the bike lift in 1st and 2nd with minimal throttle roll-on tells me all I need to know about why people own them. It's been a while since I was on a supersport and I totally forgot how mind boggling the acceleration is on a big bike. I don't condone anyone new owning one but after having ridden it I can see how people get addicted to that kind of power. Baggers are still lame though.
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None of them are lame, all bikes are cool. If you're going to consider Sagebrush's opinion on motorcycles remember that his perspective is from never riding them.
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Raven457 posted:Depends on the bike. Here's how the ST1300 works - http://stwiki.notonthe.net/twiki/bin/view/ST13/LinkedBrakingSystem The Connie is similar although it has some adjustment. A lot of guys don't like it, but I kind of like it. Coming from a bikes with zero assists to one with ABS, Traction control and linked brakes, it's actually pretty impressive. While I could live without linked brakes, I can understand the big deal with ABS and don't think I'd ever buy another bike without it again.
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slidebite posted:The Connie is similar although it has some adjustment. A lot of guys don't like it, but I kind of like it. Agreed. I could live without the linked setup, mostly because it makes bleeding a pain in the rear end, but it's never caused me any trouble, even in slow speed maneuvering. ABS is the one thing I sort of wish I had. Buuuuut, I got handed a very sweet deal on my non-ABS 06 (very good price, knew the owner, knew the maintenance history), so I went ahead and pulled the trigger on it.
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I'm curious, why did bike ABS take so long to hit mainstream? It sounds like a good thing but it seems pretty new, so out of my reach (mostly looking at used bikes from the 80s and 90s, when ABS started being big on cars). Seems odd that it took so long because it should theoretically be a simpler system on a bike.
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Cars also got fuel injection in the 80's and bikes didnt get them till around the 2000's, some still dont have it. Bikes rarely pick up new tech quickly. We are just now getting traction control as well.
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BMW were early with ABS, they had it on their bikes in the late 80s. But I suppose the bike market is mostly screaming for style and power where car buyers want comfort and safety, the cost of the additional tech didn't help sell more bikes. Or so they thought at least. It's weird how bikes still come without ABS and with single valve, unadjustable suspension which is basically the same as 30 years ago.
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Splizwarf posted:I'm curious, why did bike ABS take so long to hit mainstream? It sounds like a good thing but it seems pretty new, so out of my reach (mostly looking at used bikes from the 80s and 90s, when ABS started being big on cars). Seems odd that it took so long because it should theoretically be a simpler system on a bike. Bikes are already pretty simple honestly. Look how long even FI took to adapt onto bikes. It's probably just a resistance from manufacturers to spend a poo poo ton of money on R&D when they have already working models that they can tweak and still sell for more cash. I think ABS coming now was just where manufacturers had to go to stay competitive since the engines on current gen sportbikes are very good and no longer a competitive angle across the board. The S1000 started off the whole "nuh uh, WE have 200whp!!" debate that kawasaki has answered but it also brought along ABS options and traction control that seems to be forcing yamaha, honda and suzuki to think about new revisions.
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Are there ABS retrofit kits?
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^^^^^^ Nope. Also no one buys ABS bikes in the US because a magazine article once showed that ABS is .3 seconds slower a lap around the track because it's just so intrusive. There is a lot of anti ABS sentiment out there but modern ABS is drat good and should be available on more bikes.
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I really wish there were ABS retrofit kits. If I had more electromechanical knowhow and tools, I'd like to make my own. I've been trying to figure out how to retrofit an ABS system from a later similar model Ducati onto mine. It doesn't look good, cost wise. I think ABS must be one of the greatest single life-saving devices available on bikes. edit: Also, as of 2012 all BMW bikes come standard with ABS. This should have been done years ago, and every manufacturer should do it. Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Apr 18, 2012 |
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That's the thing, it seems so drat simple that I really wish I had some fabrication skill.
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2ndclasscitizen posted:Must make slow speed manuevering fun. I don't know if it's speed sensitive or not, but I don't find it obtrusive at all, even at the most aggressive setting.
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