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Anal Tributary posted:idk every time i hear someone's tale from an interview it's not "so they had me mock up a quick web application on the platform of my choice using a provided API" (this would be a killer loving way to interview a front-end dev btw) it's "well they had me whiteboard code these 17 different math/algo problems" it takes like 30 seconds to copy a list of algorithms into evernote to use as interview questions. anyway just make some bomb-rear end webs and eventually you'll find a company that wants to pay you to make bomb-rear end webs or maybe you won't, and then eventually everyone you love will die. so it goes.
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ever been in a job where some bigmouthed manager gets employed, brings in his inept lackeys who each get paid ridiculous amounts? you could be one of them!!! but no no keep studying your clr making cheat sheets remember to say bloom filters a lot in the interview
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Anal Tributary posted:idk every time i hear someone's tale from an interview it's not "so they had me mock up a quick web application on the platform of my choice using a provided API" (this would be a killer loving way to interview a front-end dev btw) it's "well they had me whiteboard code these 17 different math/algo problems" that's not a place you want to work "hey look i know you're applying to be a car salesman, but could you take a look at my chevy out back? it's making an odd noise"
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the interview isnt there to assess your api trivia knowledge and it's not something that should be able to be solved with google
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when i say provided API, i'm talking about a basic CRUD interface to a database we're talking about front-end development. if i say "alright, for this interview, we've got some web application that has this API we made. build us a front-end for it. here's some basic specifications." it'd be a relatively simple test (like maybe 5-6 hours at most, or gently caress just like two and see what they can do; that may seem like a lot but there's far crazier interviews out there), probably with some basic authentication handling so they know how to do that. i mean this is something you'd want tailored to the position, so if it was say a django shop you'd give them a half-built django application and have them create views and templates and poo poo, you know, what front-end devs do. if it's something kind of open, encourage them to use something like backbone.js; front-end devs should be able to handle heavy-client side apps, since that's where we're going. you'd look for the same stuff you look for in interviews: code quality, mastery of tools used, very importantly ability to learn new concepts (i assume a lot of front-end dev is "we have this new specific need, go learn this jquery plugin and how to style the output"), design considerations (though obviously you wouldn't expect them to bust out photoshop and spend the six hours mocking up the perfect gradients), etc. front-end development is, at its core, about taking back-ends and creating complex, easy-to-use views for them, and to some extent making it look good (i think there's still a difference between "front-end developer" and "web designer"). that's the challenge you need to present interviewees, imo e: also, i want to be clear; i don't think this is the only coding you want in an interview. i get that there's value in being able to do traditional interview code challenges - especially if you want more of a "flex" coder than someone who sits around creating views all day. i would guess that most companies would want front-end devs who can hack on the backend if they need to, and yeah, you do need more than just "onclick=$.ajax(api endpoint)" in that case. but i think it's a mistake to put the majority of a coder's value in terms of their interviewstreet score. abraham linksys fucked around with this message at 09:21 on May 4, 2012 |
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yeah but otoh that sounds like it's gonna take way too loving long when i can just expect you to have this one syntax trick i looked up for django memorized
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that would take ages when you could do the same with a couple of well formed lil problems that take minutes. how many interviews have you actually been to
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Alligator posted:that would take ages when you could do the same with a couple of well formed lil problems that take minutes. zero, of course! i know it's a long-rear end way to test someone, but hey, there's some long-rear end interviews out there (like the one i linked). and i don't think it would take ages; think it would take maybe a day. poo poo, i could imagine a company getting a bunch of prospects in at once, explaining it to them, and giving them the time to do it. there's some like "day trip" type interviews out there, especially for startups/companies hiring college grads, this would be a cool way to do one
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May 4, 2012 10:22
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that's a gigantic waste and gives you no sense of the candidate's ability to work with team members
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ahhh spiders posted:that's a gigantic waste and gives you no sense of the candidate's ability to work with team members what do you during an interview to see a candidate's ability to work with team members? honestly curious. i remember reading about a company that would essentially have a candidate work alongside them for a day (or at least a few hours), but that's obviously not practical for 99% of companies.
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Anal Tributary posted:what do you during an interview to see a candidate's ability to work with team members? honestly curious. i remember reading about a company that would essentially have a candidate work alongside them for a day (or at least a few hours), but that's obviously not practical for 99% of companies. anything other than make them work on a problem by themselves for a whole day
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talk to them durin gthe interview. interview them
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Tiny Bug Child posted:this only happens if your server is set up in a weird stupid way using an old module nobody uses anymore. i saw a link earlier this morning explaining it but now i can't find it yeah its not a big deal because only dumb old sites are set up in that way
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ahhh spiders posted:talk to them durin gthe interview. interview them i'm not saying this is the only thing you do it's not "hey you applied? ok go to this room and read the instructions there, we've provided a computer, don't say a word, when you're done leave and we'll call you back."
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May 4, 2012 10:36
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let's just make it pair programming with a really polar opposite guy sitcom interviews all drawin a line down the middle of the keyboard THIS SIDE IS MINE
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May 4, 2012 10:44
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wait if you're coding here then that means OH BOY
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May 4, 2012 10:45
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CHECK PLEASE
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May 4, 2012 10:45
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i'll have what he's having 
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May 4, 2012 10:45
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Nevett posted:yeah its not a big deal because only dumb old sites are set up in that way Although I think lots of servers, particularly shared web hosts, are set up to run php through cgi and this exploit is a big deal, I suspect this case may be a clever joke. Check at what that include actually is ...
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wanna be interviewed by jonny
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NeoHentaiMaster posted:Although I think lots of servers, particularly shared web hosts, are set up to run php through cgi and this exploit is a big deal, I suspect this case may be a clever joke. Check at what that include actually is ... thats what i get from blindly reposting links from smarter people then me regardless, even if its an obscure server set-up or whatever, it doesnt excuse php sitting on a known exploit and then not even fixing it properly when it becomes public
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Hey, any script kiddies wanna impress some lovely php devs?quote::~ me$ curl 'http://wordpress.com/?-s' -I
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Jonny 290 posted:let's just make it pair programming with a really polar opposite guy lmao
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Anal Tributary posted:i'm not saying this is the only thing you do So you want me to not only go through the normal interview process, but also take "about a day" of my personal time to write something for your company for free in the hopes you decide I'm the one candidate you want? Sure, that's gonna happen.
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My Two Project Managers
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poo poo, if I ever have to jump all these hoops and build apps and spend 2 days interviewing to work on lovely frontends, I better hope you're not adding a probation period on top. "You know the best way to interview someone? GIVE THEM THE JOB, BUT DON'T PAY THEM. EVALUATE ON THAT!"
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Casao posted:So you want me to not only go through the normal interview process, but also take "about a day" of my personal time to write something for your company for free in the hopes you decide I'm the one candidate you want? reminder that anal volcano is a child and his experience with job interviews consists mostly of fast food places
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Anal Tributary posted:idk every time i hear someone's tale from an interview it's not "so they had me mock up a quick web application on the platform of my choice using a provided API" (this would be a killer loving way to interview a front-end dev btw) it's "well they had me whiteboard code these 17 different math/algo problems" kid I know is a flash developer at a top media shop, google called him up and said we'd like to interview you, in the interview they asked him all kinds of questions about things like inodes and efficient pointer/bitshift operations in short most tech interviewers are retarded and terrible
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no you see software development is all about whatever some crusty-rear end C book from 1972 says and if you dont know that how can you *possibly* get any work done
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Internaut! posted:kid I know is a flash developer at a top media shop, google called him up and said we'd like to interview you, in the interview they asked him all kinds of questions about things like inodes and efficient pointer/bitshift operations yeah whether or not my idea was good (spoilers: probs not) this is kinda my ultimate point
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2 hours of pair programming was the final part of the interview at my last job, it was actually a really great tool.
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Internaut! posted:kid I know is a flash developer at a top media shop, google called him up and said we'd like to interview you, in the interview they asked him all kinds of questions about things like inodes and efficient pointer/bitshift operations google has like 20 people total who write actionscript and most of them are remote. at my interview for a flash position no one knew actionscript or could ask me relevant platform questions either.
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unless somebody is entirely incompetent or unwilling to learn then programming skills, languages and disciplines can be taught anyway it's far more important to hire somebody who isn't a dick and who the team can work with because then the rest will fall into place i spent this weekend chatting to some friends who work at other places and their teams are full of morons who can optimise the poo poo out of a sort function but who squeal like toddlers when asked to learn how to use git or use more than 2 letters for variable names surprise they all hate their jobs meanwhile i love mine
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May 4, 2012 15:15
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lol @ going on interviews for jobs you don't already have
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Char posted:no you see software development is all about whatever some crusty-rear end C book from 1972 says and if you dont know that how can you *possibly* get any work done to be fair google has plenty of need for people who know the intimate details of inodes and low level memory management but throwing questions like these at a flash developer is a waste of time for everyone involved
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May 4, 2012 15:18
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Interview question #1: Are you like me? Because we need more people like me in here.
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are you a yes man who isnt gonna rock my boat and make me do real work with real deliverables?
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