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rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

I agree, git *is* bad

# ? May 9, 2012 04:22

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# ? May 10, 2024 03:02

blorpy: Jan 5, 2005

lol can you imagine what a hellish world it would be if you had to write java in a crapass ide on some old windows using svn or sourcesafe

no vim/emacs
no ci
no good source control
poo poo build times
bad verbose code that requires 3 levels of bureaucracy to change
antivirus runs every two hours
computer infected with malware
nobody sees or uses your product ever and you gotta lie to everyone about what you do

*shudder*

# ? May 9, 2012 04:24

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

here's a cool thing git does by default:

you make changes to branch A, git checkout B, make some changes to branch B to fix a bug real quick

at this point git push origin will push all your changes to both branches because that's clearly the common use case for this.

# ? May 9, 2012 04:24

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

also git is hella slower than svn at my work but idk if that's normal

# ? May 9, 2012 04:25

blorpy: Jan 5, 2005

rotor posted:

here's a cool thing git does by default:

you make changes to branch A, git checkout B, make some changes to branch B to fix a bug real quick

at this point git push origin will push all your changes to both branches because that's clearly the common use case for this.

lol that is annoying

# ? May 9, 2012 04:25

blorpy: Jan 5, 2005

rotor posted:

also git is hella slower than svn at my work but idk if that's normal

probably desperately needs to be flattened/gc'ed

# ? May 9, 2012 04:26

trex eaterofcadrs: Jun 17, 2005; My lack of understanding is only exceeded by my lack of concern.

rotor posted:

also git is hella slower than svn at my work but idk if that's normal

if you're running windows, it's cause of windows, use mercurial instead

# ? May 9, 2012 04:27

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

trex eaterofcadrs posted:

if you're running windows, it's cause of windows, use mercurial instead

sadly no

# ? May 9, 2012 04:28

blorpy: Jan 5, 2005

also shoot yourself in the face

# ? May 9, 2012 04:29

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

good advice

# ? May 9, 2012 04:45

blorpy: Jan 5, 2005

it has never let me down

# ? May 9, 2012 05:00

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

Markov Chain Chomp posted:

lol can you imagine what a hellish world it would be if you had to write java in a crapass ide on some old windows using svn or sourcesafe

no vim/emacs
no ci
no good source control
poo poo build times
bad verbose code that requires 3 levels of bureaucracy to change
antivirus runs every two hours
computer infected with malware
nobody sees or uses your product ever and you gotta lie to everyone about what you do

*shudder*

this is what p language users actually believe

# ? May 9, 2012 05:50

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

rotor posted:

also git is hella slower than svn at my work but idk if that's normal

yes thats normal. people who complain about svn performance are 3rd worlders connecting to a subversion server over dialup.

setting up a fast svn server that uses ldap is super easy and u can setup a nexus server for ur maven reeps at the same time.

# ? May 9, 2012 05:52

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

git is basically svn with a useless extra step you have to do for everything

# ? May 9, 2012 05:57

blorpy: Jan 5, 2005

you guys should get that stockholm syndrome looked at by a doctor

# ? May 9, 2012 06:09

EIDE Van Hagar: Dec 8, 2000; Beep Boop

git is way faster than bitkeeper so it suits my needs

# ? May 9, 2012 06:13

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

quote:

still usin CVS crew checkin in

colour me unsurprised.

quote:

occasionally people talk about moving to git but after 12+ years with a bulletproof workflow, why

atomic commits would be nice, eh

# ? May 9, 2012 08:10

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

CaptainMeatpants posted:

guys if need to make a web api that will be used by a website and phones what should i use

i don't care about being a big restful knob-slobber, query strings are fine

in 'hypermedia/rest' urls are opaque. I guess you must be talking about shaggar/rest.

# ? May 9, 2012 08:12

homercles: Feb 14, 2010

i'm the pumpking it's me

hands off keyboards guys i'm coding here

# ? May 9, 2012 08:48

Sinestro: Oct 31, 2010; The perfect day needs the perfect set of wheels.

rotor posted:

svn is basically git without the best parts and a useless extra step you have to do for everything

ftfy

# ? May 9, 2012 11:00

skeevy achievements: Feb 25, 2008; by merry exmarx

tef posted:

colour me unsurprised.

wait til you crack a history book someday and discover people were successfully developing software all the way back in the 20th century before stuff like git and svn were invented

of course back then we had help, when evaluating potential hires we had to rely on old school metrics like "education" and "experience" instead of "open source project starts" and "blogosphere presence"

# ? May 9, 2012 11:33

penus de milo: Mar 9, 2002; CHAR CHAR

lol i was talking to a friend who said their company went from git to subversion because the devs kept loving up their repos by not knowing how to use it

fyi if you can't figure out git you should be ashamed to call yourself a developer

# ? May 9, 2012 11:51

Jonny 290: May 5, 2005; [ASK] me about OS/2 Warp

realtalk is notepad++ competent for perling on a windows, so far it meats my kneads but am i missing out on tons of poo poo by not demanding something different

yes i have vim for windows
no i do not really care for it yet

# ? May 9, 2012 12:08

Jonny 290: May 5, 2005; [ASK] me about OS/2 Warp

oh are you loving kidding me

code:

$var{'ABS01'} = '10.0.0.4';
$var{'ABS02'} ='10.0.0.5';
$var{'Firmware'} = '8.6.7.5.3.0.9'; # oid to get firmware for 3.X
$var{'Firmware_current'} = '8.6.7.5.3.0.9'; # value of 1 is proper index to use.
$var{'dhcp_pool_oid'} = '8.6.7.5.3.0.9';
$var{'dhcp_status_oid'} ='8.6.7.5.3.0.9';
$var{'uptime_oid'} = '8.6.7.5.3.0.9';
$var{'adopted_oid'} =  '8.6.7.5.3.0.9'; # adopted mac's
$var{'unadopted_oid'} = '8.6.7.5.3.0.9'; # un-adopted mac's

and yes there is a %var2

# ? May 9, 2012 12:15

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Jonny 290 posted:

oh are you loving kidding me

code:

$var{'ABS01'} = '10.0.0.4';
$var{'ABS02'} ='10.0.0.5';
$var{'Firmware'} = '8.6.7.5.3.0.9'; # oid to get firmware for 3.X
$var{'Firmware_current'} = '8.6.7.5.3.0.9'; # value of 1 is proper index to use.
$var{'dhcp_pool_oid'} = '8.6.7.5.3.0.9';
$var{'dhcp_status_oid'} ='8.6.7.5.3.0.9';
$var{'uptime_oid'} = '8.6.7.5.3.0.9';
$var{'adopted_oid'} =  '8.6.7.5.3.0.9'; # adopted mac's
$var{'unadopted_oid'} = '8.6.7.5.3.0.9'; # un-adopted mac's

and yes there is a %var2

Are all of those used globally? As in written to used? Anyway, that's horrible.

# ? May 9, 2012 12:51

penus de milo: Mar 9, 2002; CHAR CHAR

Jonny 290 posted:

realtalk is notepad++ competent for perling on a windows, so far it meats my kneads but am i missing out on tons of poo poo by not demanding something different

yes i have vim for windows
no i do not really care for it yet

Notepad++ is good and entirely adequate if you like using it but consider checking out Sublime Text 2 because it's free + works on windows + is Cool As poo poo to use

# ? May 9, 2012 13:35

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

Internaut! posted:

wait til you crack a history book someday

well, I can just wait for you to post more about your exciting development environment. but given cvs is relatively new (only a year older than python), I don't think you get to whine about 'how it was' back in the days before structured programming.

let alone when people wrote things like ratfor, or people argued about the utility of if statements.

quote:

and discover people were successfully developing software all the way back in the 20th century before stuff like git and svn were invented

yup and people still write code as if the last 20 years never happened too.

we've been trying to drag luddites like you away from punchcards and fortran to no avail.

in the end, you'll die and then progress can happen.

# ? May 9, 2012 13:45

EVGA Longoria: Dec 25, 2005; Let's go exploring!

Jonny 290 posted:

oh are you loving kidding me

code:


$var{'ABS01'} = '10.0.0.4';
$var{'ABS02'} ='10.0.0.5';
$var{'Firmware'} = '8.6.7.5.3.0.9'; # oid to get firmware for 3.X
$var{'Firmware_current'} = '8.6.7.5.3.0.9'; # value of 1 is proper index to use.
$var{'dhcp_pool_oid'} = '8.6.7.5.3.0.9';
$var{'dhcp_status_oid'} ='8.6.7.5.3.0.9';
$var{'uptime_oid'} = '8.6.7.5.3.0.9';
$var{'adopted_oid'} =  '8.6.7.5.3.0.9'; # adopted mac's
$var{'unadopted_oid'} = '8.6.7.5.3.0.9'; # un-adopted mac's

and yes there is a %var2

Komodo IDE if you want a full debugger IDE. Otherwise yeah notepad++ or sublime text own. I've been trying out sublime text and I prefer the look and the completion to notepad++.

# ? May 9, 2012 13:51

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

Internaut! posted:

wait til you crack a history book someday

I'm tempted to rebut this by posting my collection of old computer books (I have a few), but you're really not worth it. Even though I like posting books.

Your haughty condescending tone carries an arrogance that can only come from a stubborn refusal to learn from the mistakes of others. You're no worse than the zealots you decry and defame, the key difference being which side of the false dichotomy you sit: 'new' vs 'old'.

# ? May 9, 2012 13:58

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

I'm saying you are a bad person. pee pee, doo doo, and all that.

# ? May 9, 2012 14:00

MononcQc: May 29, 2007

Git and Mercurial and distributed source control is usually worth it if only because it lets you work and commit stuff without being connected to whatever server. Oh, how hilarious it is when some server crashes or network splits and half a day of work is lost to some lovely source control software that works over the network without ever thinking the network could go out for some reason.

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Jonny 290 posted:

oh are you loving kidding me

code:

$var{'ABS01'} = '10.0.0.4';
$var{'ABS02'} ='10.0.0.5';
$var{'Firmware'} = '8.6.7.5.3.0.9'; # oid to get firmware for 3.X
$var{'Firmware_current'} = '8.6.7.5.3.0.9'; # value of 1 is proper index to use.
$var{'dhcp_pool_oid'} = '8.6.7.5.3.0.9';
$var{'dhcp_status_oid'} ='8.6.7.5.3.0.9';
$var{'uptime_oid'} = '8.6.7.5.3.0.9';
$var{'adopted_oid'} =  '8.6.7.5.3.0.9'; # adopted mac's
$var{'unadopted_oid'} = '8.6.7.5.3.0.9'; # un-adopted mac's

and yes there is a %var2

idgi

# ? May 9, 2012 14:21

Jonny 290: May 5, 2005; [ASK] me about OS/2 Warp

scrub tier naming

# ? May 9, 2012 14:23

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

MononcQc posted:

idgi

perl

# ? May 9, 2012 14:26

JumpinJackFlash: Nov 15, 2001

Jonny 290 posted:

realtalk is notepad++ competent for perling on a windows, so far it meats my kneads but am i missing out on tons of poo poo by not demanding something different

yes i have vim for windows
no i do not really care for it yet

Give Komodo a try since it's for Perl. The regex builder is pretty badass. Otherwise sublime.

# ? May 9, 2012 14:29

Tiny Bug Child: Sep 11, 2004; Avoid Symmetry, Allow Complexity, Introduce Terror

Jonny 290 posted:

realtalk is notepad++ competent for perling on a windows, so far it meats my kneads but am i missing out on tons of poo poo by not demanding something different

yes i have vim for windows
no i do not really care for it yet

notepad++ is the best of the "editors that aren't vim/emacs" category but this is like being the best tablet in the "tablets that aren't ipad" category

it took me like 2 or 3 days to get up to speed with vim to the point where it was not interrupting my work flow, but that was only after i uninstalled notepad++ and gave myself no other options. then after like a week using any other editor was intolerable because moving around was so slow and editing text was so inefficient. cmon jonny you can do it, perl devs should not use crapware editors

# ? May 9, 2012 14:29

JumpinJackFlash: Nov 15, 2001

Jonny 290 posted:

oh are you loving kidding me

code:

$var{'ABS01'} = '10.0.0.4';
$var{'ABS02'} ='10.0.0.5';
$var{'Firmware'} = '8.6.7.5.3.0.9'; # oid to get firmware for 3.X
$var{'Firmware_current'} = '8.6.7.5.3.0.9'; # value of 1 is proper index to use.
$var{'dhcp_pool_oid'} = '8.6.7.5.3.0.9';
$var{'dhcp_status_oid'} ='8.6.7.5.3.0.9';
$var{'uptime_oid'} = '8.6.7.5.3.0.9';
$var{'adopted_oid'} =  '8.6.7.5.3.0.9'; # adopted mac's
$var{'unadopted_oid'} = '8.6.7.5.3.0.9'; # un-adopted mac's

and yes there is a %var2

Hell is other peoples Perl code.

# ? May 9, 2012 14:29

trex eaterofcadrs: Jun 17, 2005; My lack of understanding is only exceeded by my lack of concern.

MononcQc posted:

Git and Mercurial and distributed source control is usually worth it if only because it lets you work and commit stuff without being connected to whatever server. Oh, how hilarious it is when some server crashes or network splits and half a day of work is lost to some lovely source control software that works over the network without ever thinking the network could go out for some reason.

i don't use git a lot cause i became an hg fag first, but one thing i immediately noticed about hg is how much faster it was at calculating changes than svn. even if i just used hg like a svn replacement and didn't use anything else, it was a huge gain just from that

# ? May 9, 2012 14:29

0xB16B00B5: Aug 24, 2006; by Y Kant Ozma Post

use sublimetext cause the package installer is amazing and it has solarized and its cross platform

thanks!

# ? May 9, 2012 14:37

EVGA Longoria: Dec 25, 2005; Let's go exploring!

Tiny Bug Child posted:

notepad++ is the best of the "editors that aren't vim/emacs" category but this is like being the best tablet in the "tablets that aren't ipad" category

it took me like 2 or 3 days to get up to speed with vim to the point where it was not interrupting my work flow, but that was only after i uninstalled notepad++ and gave myself no other options. then after like a week using any other editor was intolerable because moving around was so slow and editing text was so inefficient. cmon jonny you can do it, perl devs should not use crapware editors

Another tiny bug opinion from tiny bug child

# ? May 9, 2012 14:50

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# ? May 10, 2024 03:02

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

MononcQc posted:

Git and Mercurial and distributed source control is usually worth it if only because it lets you work and commit stuff without being connected to whatever server. Oh, how hilarious it is when some server crashes or network splits and half a day of work is lost to some lovely source control software that works over the network without ever thinking the network could go out for some reason.

the cool thing is when someone loses a bunch of work because they accidentally delete their local repo

# ? May 9, 2012 14:59

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