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tef posted:WASHINGTONAfter decades spent battling gender discrimination and inequality in the workplace, the feminist movement underwent a high-level shake-up last month, when 53-year-old management consultant Peter "Buck" McGowan took over as new chief of the worldwide initiative for women's rights. lol
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no but seriously. INCOMING TRANSMISSION DIRECTIVE TO FORUMS POSTER SULK ID165753 CEASE YOSPOSTING SOONEST STOP PROCEED DIRECTLY TO GBS STOP AT NO TIME ARE YOU TO RESUME YOSPOSTING STOP END TRANSMISSION
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May 10, 2012 02:25
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rotor posted:no but seriously. thsi but ironically
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May 10, 2012 02:26
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CaptainMeatpants posted:lol @ self-important manchildren unable to run companies glad you said "companies" and not "businesses" because geeklist is mos def not a business
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May 10, 2012 02:34
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BonzoESC posted:glad you said "companies" and not "businesses" because geeklist is mos def not a business thanks to obama, both of those are people though. lol
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May 10, 2012 02:39
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text editor posted:Also, what some may call our gimmick, we have staffed this room with 21-year-old Dutch girls who were born within 2 months and within 100 miles of where Python was created.  
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May 10, 2012 03:28
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theres no sex in the php room
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May 10, 2012 03:49
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all the php girls are botched trannies
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May 10, 2012 03:50
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ppp posted:thanks to obama, both of those are people though. lol
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May 10, 2012 03:50
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CaptainMeatpants posted:all the php girls are botched trannies
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May 10, 2012 03:50
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CaptainMeatpants posted:all the php girls are botched trannies u have no right 2 judge me
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May 10, 2012 04:02
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CaptainMeatpants posted:all the php girls are botched trannies tinyaoichild
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May 10, 2012 04:03
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rotor posted:no but seriously. don't make sulk leave he makes me feel better about myself
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May 10, 2012 05:21
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text editor posted:don't make sulk leave he makes me feel better about myself 
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May 10, 2012 05:56
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Markov Chain Chomp posted:theres no sex in the php room no you're thinking of the haskell room well you can unsafePerformSex i guess
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May 10, 2012 07:18
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yaoi prophet posted:no you're thinking of the haskell room no you're trying to overanalyze it a classic mistake for a person with autism
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May 10, 2012 07:38
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I was told this thread was for the discussion of and potentially smack talk regarding programming languages and not a GBS style feminist circlejerk speaking of haskell janin how painless is C and C++ interop, I've taken this little clojure side project as far as it can go and it's been fun but it's not like I actually planned to suggest dropping a JVM bollock into our core trade switching punchbowl
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May 10, 2012 13:44
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Internaut! posted:speaking of haskell janin how painless is C and C++ interop, I've taken this little clojure side project as far as it can go and it's been fun but it's not like I actually planned to suggest dropping a JVM bollock into our core trade switching punchbowl haskell is poo poo why aren't you using java ?
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May 10, 2012 14:07
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Haskell is fun because there's this shitload of interesting purely functional data structure papers out there and you can just steal all of it for your other favorite functional programming language of choice.
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May 10, 2012 14:12
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I think my favourite thing (of late) to come out of the haskell swamp is this http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/people/dimitris/icfp12.pdf (they've found a way to compile code with type errors, almost as if you were using a dynamic language  )
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May 10, 2012 14:20
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*YOU* are full of bullshit. C++ is a horrible language. It's made more horrible by the fact that a lot of substandard programmers use it, to the point where it's much much easier to generate total and utter crap with it. Quite frankly, even if the choice of C were to do *nothing* but keep the C++ programmers out, that in itself would be a huge reason to use C. In other words: the choice of C is the only sane choice. I know Miles Bader jokingly said "to piss you off", but it's actually true. I've come to the conclusion that any programmer that would prefer the project to be in C++ over C is likely a programmer that I really *would* prefer to piss off, so that he doesn't come and screw up any project I'm involved with. C++ leads to really really bad design choices. You invariably start using the "nice" library features of the language like STL and Boost and other total and utter crap, that may "help" you program, but causes: - infinite amounts of pain when they don't work (and anybody who tells me that STL and especially Boost are stable and portable is just so full of BS that it's not even funny) - inefficient abstracted programming models where two years down the road you notice that some abstraction wasn't very efficient, but now all your code depends on all the nice object models around it, and you cannot fix it without rewriting your app. In other words, the only way to do good, efficient, and system-level and portable C++ ends up to limit yourself to all the things that are basically available in C. And limiting your project to C means that people don't screw that up, and also means that you get a lot of programmers that do actually understand low-level issues and don't screw things up with any idiotic "object model" crap. So I'm sorry, but for something like git, where efficiency was a primary objective, the "advantages" of C++ is just a huge mistake. The fact that we also piss off people who cannot see that is just a big additional advantage. If you want a VCS that is written in C++, go play with Monotone. Really. They use a "real database". They use "nice object-oriented libraries". They use "nice C++ abstractions". And quite frankly, as a result of all these design decisions that sound so appealing to some CS people, the end result is a horrible and unmaintainable mess. But I'm sure you'd like it more than git. Linus
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May 10, 2012 15:09
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linus is dreamy. hell, he even saves GA's posting
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May 10, 2012 15:14
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look at all that rightposting about C from the man himself
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May 10, 2012 15:29
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May 10, 2012 16:01
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does anyone in here use cakephp or know anything about it don't ask why i'm asking about it. just tell me how much less miserable it makes php on a scale from "still really miserable" to "5% more tolerable" but i'm assuming it's still really miserable and you'd be better off with drupal
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May 10, 2012 23:24
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Sulk posted:does anyone in here use cakephp or know anything about it drupal is pretty bad too
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May 10, 2012 23:26
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even CoC php goons admit cakephp is terrible
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May 10, 2012 23:41
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trex eaterofcadrs posted:drupal is pretty bad too yeah i mean i know nothing about drupal but i assumed it was at least better in the sense that it is extensively used while this cakephp poo poo has like 2 paragraphs about it on wikipedia and not many resources that i'm aware of. CaptainMeatpants posted:even CoC php goons admit cakephp is terrible this is something i'm afraid of. i'm pretty desperately seeking any kind of entry level job i can get right now and i had a 40-minute interview today in response to a somewhat nutty ad that was posted on craigslist (clever in context, considering that CL is generally poo poo, but still silly overall), and i guess they use the framework for at least one of the things they do. the pay would probably be good, but i'm not sure what other people they have lined up to interview and what their attitude is going to be in regards to no-cs degree. the interviewer was kind of implying i haven't done any actual programming (and saying that it would result in maybe doing an internship instead) while i was saying "go check out my github account, i literally have a django/jquery project on there that utilizes other stuff as well." she apparently didn't even really go over my resume which is highly unprofessional, and i now have like a week to learn this supposedly poo poo framework/enough php to get by that i can show them i'm capable of learning something quickly. but poo poo it's hard to even consider an internship as it's teetering on the point of not being worth it due to the commute.
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May 10, 2012 23:55
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Sulk posted:yeah i mean i know nothing about drupal but i assumed it was at least better in the sense that it is extensively used while this cakephp poo poo has like 2 paragraphs about it on wikipedia and not many resources that i'm aware of. Sounds like a sneaky way of trying to pay you less. I'd probably keep looking.
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May 10, 2012 23:59
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text editor posted:Sounds like a sneaky way of trying to pay you less. I'd probably keep looking. yeah I don't know. you should see the ad, I linked it in #cobol when I was talking to some people a couple nights ago and it basically had a bunch of poorly formatted (due to CL I imagine) PHP code and they had you write a something to figure out the email to submit a resume or whatever to. I did it in python (which was noted at the interview when I was sitting in front of three people) and sent it over and had a call literally five minutes later. the reason she had me come in though was the actual text of my email, which I started off by stating (this is a quote) "I'm not going to lie that I don't know a lick of PHP and think it's a complete abomination of a language ... (paraphrase) so I did it in Python." apparently insulting languages is funny to hirers. it sucks because I really want to break into the field and I'm at least somewhat capable of actually coding, and the job was posted as an entry level position, and yet "I haven't programmed" even though I have a github with personal code on it right now that utilizes at least three different technologies as well as makes use of S3 storage in loading data, which I know tons of companies use and it and EC2 are becoming buzzwords these days. on the other hand, it's still PHP and not even drupal, so I don't know how far that can really take me, and like you said I'm partly concerned now that they would try to pay me less. edit: that said I don't think the interview itself actually went poorly, since 40 minutes isn't too bad, especially for something entry level, and I think I conducted and presented myself pretty well
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May 11, 2012 00:07
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dont talk to it
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May 11, 2012 00:08
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JawnV6 posted:dont talk to it don't talk to what
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May 11, 2012 00:10
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Sulk posted:the reason she had me come in though was the actual text of my email, which I started off by stating (this is a quote) "I'm not going to lie that I don't know a lick of PHP and think it's a complete abomination of a language ... (paraphrase) so I did it in Python." apparently insulting languages is funny to hirers. cute
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May 11, 2012 00:43
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i wrote my first asp.net MVC app today and it was painful and im still reliving every moment
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May 11, 2012 00:47
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tef posted:I think my favourite thing (of late) to come out of the haskell swamp is this code:
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May 11, 2012 00:53
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JawnV6 posted:dont talk to it
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May 11, 2012 03:35
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Sulk posted:the interviewer was kind of implying i haven't done any actual programming she was right
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May 11, 2012 04:19
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the recruiter is not your friend or your confessor, do not be deceived
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May 11, 2012 07:16
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i've been using R a lot recently for some modeling stuff this about sums it up: 
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Sulk posted:yeah I don't know. you should see the ad, I linked it in #cobol when I was talking to some people a couple nights ago and it basically had a bunch of poorly formatted (due to CL I imagine) PHP code and they had you write a something to figure out the email to submit a resume or whatever to. I did it in python (which was noted at the interview when I was sitting in front of three people) and sent it over and had a call literally five minutes later. the reason she had me come in though was the actual text of my email, which I started off by stating (this is a quote) "I'm not going to lie that I don't know a lick of PHP and think it's a complete abomination of a language ... (paraphrase) so I did it in Python." apparently insulting languages is funny to hirers. didn't read much of this but learn java because there literally isn't enough java programers in the world actually dont because that means i get paid more
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