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double sulk: Jul 2, 2010

Dr. Honked posted:

computer programming owns. i'm not sure how i would survive if i couldn't do it. chew twigs or something? i'll program anything in any language idgaf

would you even use Semicolon???

# ? May 17, 2012 06:53

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# ? May 11, 2024 13:36

Jonny 290: May 5, 2005; [ASK] me about OS/2 Warp

SHUT UP SULK

# ? May 17, 2012 06:54

Dr. Honked: Jan 9, 2011; eat it you slaaaaaaag

gently caress off sulk

# ? May 17, 2012 06:54

blorpy: Jan 5, 2005

Jonny 290 posted:

SHUT UP SULK

Dr. Honked posted:

gently caress off sulk

# ? May 17, 2012 07:00

Quebec Bagnet: Apr 28, 2009; mess with the honk
you get the bonk; Lipstick Apathy

Dr. Honked posted:

i used to know a guy who was trying to write a 3d renderer in sql "just to piss everyone off"

dude rewrote his raytracer to use linq which is sort of the same thing

# ? May 17, 2012 07:43

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

cool

# ? May 17, 2012 07:48

skeevy achievements: Feb 25, 2008; by merry exmarx

Markov Chain Chomp posted:

heh seriously though learn some python

is there a meaningful difference between python, ruby and groovy these days, in terms of the languages themselves

is python considered a superior choice because google's sort of a de facto sponsor while the others are hippie open source projects by guys out in the weeds

# ? May 17, 2012 12:52

trex eaterofcadrs: Jun 17, 2005; My lack of understanding is only exceeded by my lack of concern.

groovy is kinda sorta sponsored by vmware, by virtue of them buying most of the dudes who made it and grails

# ? May 17, 2012 12:58

0xB16B00B5: Aug 24, 2006; by Y Kant Ozma Post

python's standard library is poo poo.
Ruby has like a dozen of creepily named libraries for any single task you may want to do

# ? May 17, 2012 13:14

Dr. Honked: Jan 9, 2011; eat it you slaaaaaaag

tinselt0wn posted:

python's standard library is poo poo.
Ruby has like a dozen of creepily named libraries for any single task you may want to do

roo is very good for parsing spreadsheets

# ? May 17, 2012 13:50

Dr. Honked: Jan 9, 2011; eat it you slaaaaaaag

gem install nihondo_piss_gargle

# ? May 17, 2012 13:53

TiMBuS: Sep 25, 2007; LOL WUT?

perl 6 is cool.

FEEDS:

code:

> 1,2,3,4,5 ==> map(* + 10) ==> grep(* % 2) ==> say();
11 13 15

BACKWARDS FEEDS:

code:

my $dblvar <== map(* * 2) <== prompt("gimmie a num: ");

AND BECAUSE ITS PERL:

code:

>say() <== 1,2,3,4,5 ==> map(* + 10)
11 12 13 14 15

go laern it.

# ? May 17, 2012 13:55

penus de milo: Mar 9, 2002; CHAR CHAR

gem install

# ? May 17, 2012 13:55

Tiny Bug Child: Sep 11, 2004; Avoid Symmetry, Allow Complexity, Introduce Terror

Toad King posted:

tbc what do you think of php's use as a general scripting language? like for non-web stuff?

well it's not as ideally suited to the environment as it is for the web but it works just fine. i wrote a desktop app using php-gtk once and it turned out ok

# ? May 17, 2012 14:13

skeevy achievements: Feb 25, 2008; by merry exmarx

trex eaterofcadrs posted:

groovy is kinda sorta sponsored by vmware, by virtue of them buying most of the dudes who made it and grails

did not know this

if I worked in a mixed OS environment I'd probably look at it harder, as a portable language with syntax and features designed for conciseness, tons of convenience methods for dealing with file system/properties files/xml/rdbms, and full java lib interop sounds a hell of a lot better than the bash scripts we use

# ? May 17, 2012 14:27

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

yeah java is basically the best

# ? May 17, 2012 14:46

MSPain: Jul 14, 2006

I'm leaving my job where I do a lot of java development
I wish eclipse was a physical thing so i could burn it in the driveway

# ? May 17, 2012 14:48

trex eaterofcadrs: Jun 17, 2005; My lack of understanding is only exceeded by my lack of concern.

Internaut! posted:

did not know this

if I worked in a mixed OS environment I'd probably look at it harder, as a portable language with syntax and features designed for conciseness, tons of convenience methods for dealing with file system/properties files/xml/rdbms, and full java lib interop sounds a hell of a lot better than the bash scripts we use

it's ok, i used to be a real groovy fag but now i just use it for xml processing and grails (i did write an edi builder in it that was pretty bad rear end, it was good for that too)

it has some syntactic and semantic idiosyncrasies from when the language was young that have carried into the 1.8 release that are supposed to get fixed by 2.0. little edge case-y poo poo that will burn your rear end. its got some pretty leaky abstractions and once i saw clojure i was like "welp sorry groovy"

# ? May 17, 2012 15:00

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

MSPain posted:

I'm leaving my job where I do a lot of java development
I wish eclipse was a physical thing so i could burn it in the driveway

eclipse owns. sorry ur dumb or w/e

# ? May 17, 2012 15:31

Toad King: Apr 23, 2008; Yeah, I'm the best

Tiny Bug Child posted:

well it's not as ideally suited to the environment as it is for the web but it works just fine. i wrote a desktop app using php-gtk once and it turned out ok

quote:

A Year Later...

[5-Aug-2010] Dropping by to let the PHP-GTK community know that development is still happening!

rofl

edit: oh hey lets see what wonderful apps people have made using php-gtk

# ? May 17, 2012 15:36

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

Eclipse chat: Poked around in the new eclipse4 rcp api. Some ok ideas still totally crippled by SWT. they should just switch to xaml or another mvvm.

# ? May 17, 2012 15:36

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

Toad King posted:

rofl

edit: oh hey lets see what wonderful apps people have made using php-gtk

php and gtk: bringing you the absolute worst combination possible.

# ? May 17, 2012 15:37

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

So I just learned that Python iterators throw an exception to indicate end of sequence

what the gently caress kind of amateur hour horse poo poo is this

# ? May 17, 2012 15:40

trex eaterofcadrs: Jun 17, 2005; My lack of understanding is only exceeded by my lack of concern.

Shaggar posted:

eclipse owns. sorry ur dumb or w/e

both eclipse and rcp are loving terrible holy poo poo never again

# ? May 17, 2012 15:41

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

Mr Dog posted:

So I just learned that Python iterators throw an exception to indicate end of sequence

what the gently caress kind of amateur hour horse poo poo is this

python

# ? May 17, 2012 15:42

trex eaterofcadrs: Jun 17, 2005; My lack of understanding is only exceeded by my lack of concern.

Mr Dog posted:

So I just learned that Python iterators throw an exception to indicate end of sequence

what the gently caress kind of amateur hour horse poo poo is this

in my head i thought "no way"

sure enough:

http://docs.python.org/library/stdtypes.html#iterator-types posted:

iterator.next()

Return the next item from the container. If there are no further items, raise the StopIteration exception. This method corresponds to the tp_iternext slot of the type structure for Python objects in the Python/C API.

guido....

# ? May 17, 2012 15:43

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

yeah but its not like anyone seriously considers python anything more than the hobbyist language it is.

# ? May 17, 2012 15:45

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

It wouldn't have been hard to retrofit a non-retarded behaviour in Python 3, either, just add a has_next or __has_next__ or whatever method to the iterator protocol and then keep the existing StopIteration behaviour as a genuine "you did something you weren't supposed to do, bonehead" exception, albeit a poorly named one. Even a __boolean__ coercion, while kinda terrible, would have been better than just leaving that wtf in its current form.

# ? May 17, 2012 16:01

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

trex eaterofcadrs posted:

in my head i thought "no way"

sure enough:

guido....

can't you just pass a block to the iterator instead of doing scrub poo poo like writing your own loops?

code:

i = (1..5).each #=> #<Enumerator: 1..5:each>
i.each {|n| puts n }
# prints:
# 1
# 2
# 3
# 4
# 5

# ? May 17, 2012 16:04

trex eaterofcadrs: Jun 17, 2005; My lack of understanding is only exceeded by my lack of concern.

BonzoESC posted:

can't you just pass a block to the iterator instead of doing scrub poo poo like writing your own loops?
code:
i = (1..5).each #=> #<Enumerator: 1..5:each>
i.each {|n| puts n }
# prints:
# 1
# 2
# 3
# 4
# 5

idk poo poo about python cause i went ruby instead but wouldn't that use the same "feature" just under the covers?

# ? May 17, 2012 16:08

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

http://gtk.php.net/apps/?key=rating posted:

Applications : Highest Rating

There are not any applications in this category.

Maybe you'd like to add one?

nope, no thanks

# ? May 17, 2012 16:13

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

BonzoESC posted:

can't you just pass a block to the iterator instead of doing scrub poo poo like writing your own loops?
code:
i = (1..5).each #=> #<Enumerator: 1..5:each>
i.each {|n| puts n }
# prints:
# 1
# 2
# 3
# 4
# 5

this syntax is so gross

# ? May 17, 2012 16:15

TOO SCSI FOR MY CAT: Oct 12, 2008; this is what happens when you take UI design away from engineers and give it to a bunch of hipster art student "designers"

Mr Dog posted:

It wouldn't have been hard to retrofit a non-retarded behaviour in Python 3, either, just add a has_next or __has_next__ or whatever method to the iterator protocol and then keep the existing StopIteration behaviour as a genuine "you did something you weren't supposed to do, bonehead" exception, albeit a poorly named one. Even a __boolean__ coercion, while kinda terrible, would have been better than just leaving that wtf in its current form.

It's not possible to implement a has_next() method on an iterator, because whether there is a next value cannot be determined until you try to calculate it.

A better solution would be to have next() return a wrapper with .value and .has_value attributes, but this would have broken backwards compatibility.

# ? May 17, 2012 16:37

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

Shaggar posted:

this syntax is so gross

lots of that is comment

code:

i = (1..5).each
i.each { |n|
  puts n
}

groovy's the same but with more syntax

code:

i = (1..5).iterator()
for (n in i) {
  println n
}

_{_{yeah yeah i know shaggled again}}

# ? May 17, 2012 16:37

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

BonzoESC posted:

can't you just pass a block to the iterator instead of doing scrub poo poo like writing your own loops?
code:
i = (1..5).each #=> #<Enumerator: 1..5:each>
i.each {|n| puts n }
# prints:
# 1
# 2
# 3
# 4
# 5

I heard you liked duals so I put an observer in an iterator so you can observe with you iterate

# ? May 17, 2012 16:42

GameCube: Nov 21, 2006

lol @ the existence of groovy

# ? May 17, 2012 16:42

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

Mr Dog posted:

It wouldn't have been hard to retrofit a non-retarded behaviour in Python 3, either, just add a has_next or __has_next__ or whatever method to the iterator protocol and then keep the existing StopIteration behaviour as a genuine "you did something you weren't supposed to do, bonehead" exception, albeit a poorly named one. Even a __boolean__ coercion, while kinda terrible, would have been better than just leaving that wtf in its current form.

you must just be learning python because exceptions are used for things like this all the time.

Janin posted:

It's not possible to implement a has_next() method on an iterator, because whether there is a next value cannot be determined until you try to calculate it.

A better solution would be to have next() return a wrapper with .value and .has_value attributes, but this would have broken backwards compatibility.

basically, option types would be nice, but they aren't there, so deal with it.

# ? May 17, 2012 16:43

multigl: Nov 22, 2005; "Who's cool and has two thumbs? This guy!"

If your python code isnt full of try/catch/finally blocks you're doing it wrong and making Guido cry.

# ? May 17, 2012 16:45

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

tef posted:

you must just be learning python because exceptions are used for things like this all the time.

basically, option types would be nice, but they aren't there, so deal with it.

lol python is litterally the worst

# ? May 17, 2012 16:46

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# ? May 11, 2024 13:36

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

you call next() repeatedly until there is an error

deal with it

# ? May 17, 2012 16:47

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