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Sang- posted:Doing things like closures/function pointers on the jvm is really, really poo poo and are basically just massive work arounds.
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Gazpacho posted:lol no, you will only get syntactic sugar for Runnable/Callable, there is no escape sorry
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Sang- posted:Doing things like closures/function pointers on the jvm is really, really poo poo and are basically just massive work arounds. MY NAME MANGLING
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tef posted:DSLs are often hailed as a silver bullet of programming, wherein you can get people to write programs, in programming languages, without learning how to program. I don't get it myself. hey come on it's only been 60 years, give this cobol thing a chance
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I dunno about you but high level languages have worked out quite well for me thanks
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but what about embedded programming or some other stupid bullshit trotted out by idiots as if it is representative of all programming ever
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incoming no true scotsman fallacy
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i'm the true scotsman
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i tried to use scala once + it completely broke + i couldnt tell from the error messages if it was me or the compiler or the runtime or what that hosed up. cool language i guess??? lol
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realistically it was probably me
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tef posted:i'm the true scotsman yeah but i'm a Real American
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tef posted:I dunno about you but high level languages have worked out quite well for me thanks do you use them in your role as a business manager to create your own technology solutions as envisioned by hopper and boyce
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Internaut! posted:do you use them in your role as a business manager to create your own technology solutions as envisioned by hopper and boyce it's excel
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Char posted:but what about embedded programming or some other stupid bullshit trotted out by idiots as if it is representative of all programming ever 50% of all programming ever is embedded hth
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Internaut! posted:do you use them in your role as a business manager to create your own technology solutions as envisioned by hopper and boyce wat? the committee that made cobol set out to make a portable language across machines as a stop gap measure quote:This group will explore a "problem-oriented but machine-independent language." This is defined as: "A language which will permit the description of the problem in such precise terms as to convey the management needs and objectives while providing a regimented and firm basis for exploration of these objectives in a and they were aiming at novice programmers to be writing programs that could be read by management quote:Although from the very beginning COBOL was concerned with "business data processing," there was never any real definition of that phrase. It was certainly intended (and expected) that the language could be used by novice programmers and read by the management. We felt the readability by management could and would be achieved because of the intended use of English, which was a fundamental conclusion from the May 1959 Pentagon meeting. Surprisingly, although we wanted the language to be easy to use, particularly for nonprofessional programmers, we did not really give much thought to ensuring that the language Would be easy to learn; most of our concentration was on making it "easy to read" although we never provided any criteria or tests for readability. tef fucked around with this message at 15:00 on May 20, 2012 |
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Sweevo posted:50% of all programming ever is embedded hth measured how
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also if you want to have a language understandable by management but usable by developers just use cucumber features. another innovation brought to you by the world of interpreted languages. you're welcome.
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tef posted:i'm the true scotsman
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Char posted:also if you want to have a language understandable by management but usable by developers just use cucumber features. so this thing generates unit tests from actual (specifically-structured) written english? seems actually cool, definitely good for communicating with nonprogrammers
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Ridgely_Fan posted:so this thing generates unit tests from actual (specifically-structured) written english? i think of them more as integration tests, and they're not generated by the cucumber features, they are cucumber features i like 'em because even when i don't have to communicate with nonprogrammers, i can specify a feature at some high level and not have to worry about a busted spec because it's just vague enough code:
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Char posted:measured how
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i hope that was just a low effort troll and run cos lol
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BonzoESC posted:i think of them more as integration tests, and they're not generated by the cucumber features, they are cucumber features i don't have experience with cucumber but i did use inform 7 once and it soured me on natural language programming because when it looks like english you expect it to handle all the different ways you can phrase something in english Opinion Haver fucked around with this message at 22:04 on May 20, 2012 |
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all that firmware in all the electronic poo poo you bought over the last 20 years just gets magic'ed out of the air and doesn't really matter. what's important is writing business logic in whatever language is popular this week, for five people to use and complain about in the SH/SC "poo poo you come across daily" thread
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programming is terrible, kill yourself.
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Sweevo posted:all that firmware in all the electronic poo poo you bought over the last 20 years just gets magic'ed out of the air and doesn't really matter. what's important is writing business logic in whatever language is popular this week, for five people to use and complain about in the SH/SC "poo poo you come across daily" thread measured how
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tef posted:everything is terrible, kill yourself.
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if you're an embedded programmer you don't really need to elaborate i guess, since those guys are always full of themselves
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embedded software, the neglected proletariat of the information economy
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yaoi prophet posted:i don't have experience with cucumber but i did use inform 7 once and it soured me on natural language programming because when it looks like english you expect it to handle all the different ways you can phrase something in english this is nice because the first word of each line is the only predefined one, and when you first write something it gives you stubs to define what each line does
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ahhh spiders posted:if you're an embedded programmer you don't really need to elaborate i guess, since those guys are always full of themselves my works really hard, because i'm making Real Things. take note, web devs *uses no software eng practices* *hw tools suck and i'm too lovely to do anything about it*
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ahhh spiders posted:if you're an embedded programmer you don't really need to elaborate i guess, since those guys are always full of themselves
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Markov Chain Chomp posted:my works really hard, because i'm making Real Things. take note, web devs
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Gazpacho posted:yeah so it turns out that all computers are electronics underneath therefore my electrical engineering knowledge automatically encompasses all of computer science now and in the future. goo goo, ga ga so they're the physicists of computer science
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eh the only physicist i've worked with did QA engineering for television systems and he was a pretty cool guy (i was a self-important embedded systems programmer at the time)
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it's not fair to generalize i guess. but it makes it really easy for me to dismiss people because i ahte them all! ALL OF THEM GAHAHAHA
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Shaggar posted:actually its the unix thats poo poo. also dont use non-oracle vms Azul Zing ftw.
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i like most every physics person and ee person ive met but i dont like reading their code, b/c they are the worst programmers physicists with spaghetti fortran and ee nerds with terse c functions that are 400 lines long (and single letter variables)
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Markov Chain Chomp posted:my works really hard, because i'm making Real Things. take note, web devs
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