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My old job stocks Schweppes bitter lemon, I used to sell it all the time. It's lemony tonic water, it's gross.
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Hoops posted:I think most administrations have a bunch of deputies. To be fair are Toby, Josh and Sam not also covered by the titles of Senior Advisors to the President, hence how Sam the depute communications director is sitting in on meetings and does Josh's job for a day, etc? We know that Sam doesn't have codeword clearance or whatever the current term is, and we know that CJ as Press Secretary doesn't either. So there's also that aspect, but yeah.. it's kinda generalised due to the small number of people it focuses on. myron cope posted:I found this from a google search, but it was an ad I clicked on. I left the referral link in there because why not. Although $14 and change is likely not what you'll want to spend for a 1.5L bottle: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000LRIHOI...sl_15rdru5ra6_b Being a former barman it's usually 12.5cl bottles for use as a mixer with a spirit. Gin and bitter lemon is pretty nice with plenty of ice, actually. It's really just tonic water with lemon juice and sugar, though. James R fucked around with this message at 01:26 on May 17, 2012 |
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May 17, 2012 01:20
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I'm watching The American President, for the first time after seeing the West Wing. This is like the pilot episode of the West Wing. He even asked what the virtue of a proportional response is. And all the WW actors. I guess everyone knows this already (the movie is even how Sorkin convinced them a TV show would work, right?). Would people really be pissed off that the President is dating?
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May 19, 2012 07:51
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myron cope posted:I'm watching The American President, for the first time after seeing the West Wing. This is like the pilot episode of the West Wing. He even asked what the virtue of a proportional response is. And all the WW actors. I guess everyone knows this already (the movie is even how Sorkin convinced them a TV show would work, right?). Would he be dating a man or a woman?
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May 19, 2012 07:59
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myron cope posted:Would people really be pissed off that the President Yes. I miss when Bravo used to show back-to-back episodes in the morning. It was a great hangover cure.
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May 19, 2012 09:49
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They stopped showing them? I haven't had cable in a year or so. Man, that was the only redeeming feature of Bravo. 
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May 19, 2012 21:11
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myron cope posted:I'm watching The American President, for the first time after seeing the West Wing. This is like the pilot episode of the West Wing. He even asked what the virtue of a proportional response is. And all the WW actors. I guess everyone knows this already (the movie is even how Sorkin convinced them a TV show would work, right?). If I remember right, Sorkin has said that some of the material from the first season of West Wing was cut material from American President
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May 19, 2012 21:16
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I'm really curious about the ungodly amounts of coke Sorkin was doing while writing and producing Sports Night and West Wing at the same time.
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May 19, 2012 21:23
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They made Ritchie such a caricature. At least at the War of the Roses thing. His "you're what my friends call a 'superior sumbitch'" is the line that really seals it for me (although his "Crime, boy I don't know" is also bad). They made it impossible for Bartlet to lose. People don't really talk like that, even George W. Although I think Rick Perry did his best to prove me wrong.
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myron cope posted:They made Ritchie such a caricature. At least at the War of the Roses thing. His "you're what my friends call a 'superior sumbitch'" is the line that really seals it for me (although his "Crime, boy I don't know" is also bad). They made it impossible for Bartlet to lose. People don't really talk like that, even George W. Although I think Rick Perry did his best to prove me wrong. Actually, the show has Bartlet pretty on the ropes until the debate--that's when he whooped Ritchie's rear end and pretty much sealed the election.
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Yeah they talk about how Ritchie is close and stronger than you'd think and whatnot, but actually seeing the guy he's extremely unimpressive. So I guess it's accurate for American politics then.
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The funniest part of that election is that Bartlet wins in a landslide and still has to deal with a Republican House and Senate. As a reminder, here's the presumed electoral map from Bartlet v. Ritchie. There's no way that results in a Republican Congress.
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May 21, 2012 21:21
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West Wing was set in a world where people could actually differentiate how they felt about the President from how they felt about people in Congress. Besides, I think the margin in both houses was like razor-thin for the Republicans anyway.
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Joementum posted:The funniest part of that election is that Bartlet wins in a landslide and still has to deal with a Republican House and Senate. As a reminder, here's the presumed electoral map from Bartlet v. Ritchie. There's a difference between Presidential outcomes and congressional election results. While it's true that a massive win like Bartlett won for re-election helps the down-ticket candidates, it's not a foregone conclusion. Also, the previous midterms saw Congress flip decisively (in a nod to 1994) so it's possible those large gains overwhelmed any lost seats during Bartlett's reelection. See: 1996 Presidential election where Clinton trounced Doll 379 to 159 but Republicans kept control of the House and Senate (lost 8 seats in the House, gained 2 in the Senate). Also, there's a strong possibility of Obama beating Romney this fall but Republicans controlling both houses of Congress.
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Thwomp posted:See: 1996 Presidential election where Clinton trounced Doll 379 to 159 but Republicans kept control of the House and Senate (lost 8 seats in the House, gained 2 in the Senate). I'm pretty sure I saw some interview where someone said that was the precise inspiration for the results. Also, on a basic level, they needed a Republican House & Senate to provide antagonism.
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They also make fun of it when Will is trying to right the inagural speech. "In their infinite wisdom, the people have elected a a president of one party and a congress of another" and then either Will or someone else (probably Toby) calls the American people stupid. I think the whole thing is commentary on Republican politics in general, that they're all idiots, but even dumber are the people that keep voting them in. Bartlet carried that election purely on his debate performance. "Well first of all let's clear up a couple of things, unfunded mandate is two words, not one big word." Then he just continues to demolish him. It gives me chills. Ritchie was quite the Romney, just towing the party line, not having any good ideas of his own. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyqzPu5pX6U If someone can find the rest of that debate, where even Ritchie admits that he got destroyed. E: Holy poo poo, stumbled on this gem again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8unqrdurxyg FISHMANPET fucked around with this message at 23:53 on May 21, 2012 |
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May 21, 2012 23:47
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FISHMANPET posted:E: Holy poo poo, stumbled on this gem again: Heh, the large, gray-haired evangelical guy played a mind rapist on an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation
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FISHMANPET posted:They also make fun of it when Will is trying to right the inagural speech. "In their infinite wisdom, the people have elected a a president of one party and a congress of another" and then either Will or someone else (probably Toby) calls the American people stupid. (Toby, then Will) It may not be the best show in television history, but it (or The Wire, to be fair) is drat sure the most quotable. "You come at the king, you best not miss." - President Josiah Bartlet The SARS Volta posted:Heh, the large, gray-haired evangelical guy played a mind rapist on an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation
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May 22, 2012 00:35
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I think that the scene with Toby and Will trying to write the VP speech for Russell is great because that kind of mindset affects a lot of people when dealing with writing for a topic you cannot bring yourself to care about. Working for a PR company basically showed me that the sort of venting portrayed in that scene is actually quite cathartic (and sometimes necessary.) Definitely made it a lot easier to buckle down afterward and write several hundred words on a subject I couldn't even begin to care about.
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May 22, 2012 00:46
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Of course it also underlines how catastrophically they handled Will's progression as a character in the talent vacuum of season 6. "no really guys the vice president guys no really guys come on he's the vice president guys come on"
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People do that though. I knew a guy who hated Harry Reid, got a good job offer, and was blowing the guy at every opportunity less than a month after he had been going on tirades about how awful he was.
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Grand Fromage posted:People do that though. I knew a guy who hated Harry Reid, got a good job offer, and was blowing the guy at every opportunity less than a month after he had been going on tirades about how awful he was. That explains that dipshit that interned with Josh, but not Will. He ran around trying to figure out what Leo and Bartlet saw in him. He wasn't just towing the party line, he was trying to believe it himself.
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May 22, 2012 01:21
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I was rewatching the series and just got to this episode. Was surprised that this gem didn't seem to have been mentioned in the thread yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf8Vl0ORBaE
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Man forget about the actual debate stuff, the first part of this video rules, with the whole cutting-the-tie bit. What really elevates it to a whole other level is Bartlett smacking his wife's rear end right before he walks on stage. I'm telling you, that's the stuff that made this show great.
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For what it's worth, I found the second half of the debate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85dKvletfSo I think there's a commercial break between those two clips, so that's all there is to the debate. Bartlett kicking Ritchie's rear end like it ain't no thing, and doing it so well even Ritchie cries uncle.
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I think I ask this every time I watch Season 4 (and if not, I definitely think about it every time) but did they already know Sam was leaving at the beginning of it? They set up the Horton Wilder thing in episode 4--was the plan just to have him go out, sacrifice himself, and come back and then it just worked out that he didn't come back? Or did he want to leave after Season 3 and they convinced him to stick around for part of S4 to wrap things up?
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myron cope posted:I think I ask this every time I watch Season 4 (and if not, I definitely think about it every time) but did they already know Sam was leaving at the beginning of it? They set up the Horton Wilder thing in episode 4--was the plan just to have him go out, sacrifice himself, and come back and then it just worked out that he didn't come back? Or did he want to leave after Season 3 and they convinced him to stick around for part of S4 to wrap things up? Yeah, they knew Rob Lowe was leaving at the beginning of the fourth season. I've always assumed he was supposed to win until they went "poo poo, if Sam wins he's still supposed to be around Washington all the time, wouldn't we see him a lot?" Sorkin was pretty much losing his mind at that point; they should have just had him run for California lieutenant governor or something where he could have won and still been an offscreen character.
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HORATIO HORNBLOWER posted:Man forget about the actual debate stuff, the first part of this video rules, with the whole cutting-the-tie bit. What really elevates it to a whole other level is Bartlett smacking his wife's rear end right before he walks on stage. I'm telling you, that's the stuff that made this show great. Something I never noticed until just now is just HOW HIGH he raises his hand before he smacks Abby on the rear end. Like he was preceding it with a high five from God.
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I really like Kate Harper  Making my way through season 6 on the first rewatch of the series now, not as bad as I was expecting. I think to pick up an episode in season 5 / 6 wouldn't be as good as picking up one of the others, but watching them all back to back in order is still good for me.
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She's a lot more likeable once she ditches those bangs. I like that they hooked her up with Will, too. That seemed appropriate.
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The scene at some ball where they agree to not talk and just stand there taking turns eyeing each other to the tune of "Take Five" is awesome.
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withak posted:The scene at some ball where they agree to not talk and just stand there taking turns eyeing each other to the tune of "Take Five" is awesome. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpSYSfD4ZqU
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Slashrat posted:I was rewatching the series and just got to this episode. Was surprised that this gem didn't seem to have been mentioned in the thread yet I think it's been mentioned a few times in passing,but thanks for the link  Every scene with Babish in is a delight.
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Almost every side character in this series is delightful, and this is certainly true of Oliver Babish. Platt did a very good job in his role. edit: "Okay, you know what, don't make fun of the big hammer.  "
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Khablam posted:I think it's been mentioned a few times in passing,but thanks for the link There's a scene where Babish is sitting on the edge of his desk and there's a tape recorder that won't stop recording, and then Bartlet comes in and starts reeling off about the whole MS thing, and Babish just stares...then picks up the gavel and smashes the crap out of the tape recorder. For some reason it just makes me giggle every time.
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Alter Ego posted:There's a scene where Babish is sitting on the edge of his desk and there's a tape recorder that won't stop recording, and then Bartlet comes in and starts reeling off about the whole MS thing, and Babish just stares...then picks up the gavel and smashes the crap out of the tape recorder. Yep, it's awesome! See a couple posts up Slashrat posted:I was rewatching the series and just got to this episode. Was surprised that this gem didn't seem to have been mentioned in the thread yet Also yeah I really dig Kate Harper and Will... but I don't know why. They just seemed to work, in the most bizarre fashion.
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El Grillo posted:Also yeah I really dig Kate Harper and Will... but I don't know why. They just seemed to work, in the most bizarre fashion. I have a big thing for Kate Harper, but remain rather uninterested in Mary McCormack in other roles. I think it's a fantastic accolade for the actor to be able to create a fanciable character in this way. I found their relationship oddly touching in some ways, and I don't exactly know why.
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I think there's something almost magical about the way that was shot. The spinning camera close to the actors keeps the focus on them, but the size of the room turns into some kind of surreal alien experience, which I think is what it is for a lot of the characters there.
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I started reading this thread a while ago and it goaded me into binging through S1-4 for the first time. Now I'm about to start S5 and I'm a bit wary- I quit the thread to avoid spoilers but I read numerous comments about how 5 is the worst season. Is there anything to actively avoid? Is there a list of good episodes and others to discard?
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burnsep posted:I started reading this thread a while ago and it goaded me into binging through S1-4 for the first time. Now I'm about to start S5 and I'm a bit wary- I quit the thread to avoid spoilers but I read numerous comments about how 5 is the worst season. Is there anything to actively avoid? Is there a list of good episodes and others to discard? For your first time, watch them all, then decide what you want to skip in later viewings...
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