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camel book is legitimately funny and i'm still not sure how they pulled that off there's supposed to be an update to Intermediate Perl soon, that should be decent
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one single page that just says "all of them"
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If you develop Win32 software using anything whatsoever other than the WDK then you're doing it wrong visual studio was good back in the Visual C++ 6.0 days and then it got overrun by stupid training wheels for baby languages Sapozhnik fucked around with this message at 14:23 on May 27, 2012 |
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May 27, 2012 14:21
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so far my impression is that having to use references is going to be a pain to get used to and the default variable $_ thing is going to gently caress with me and I will hate it until the day I decide it's awesome if you can't tell i've been coddled by the likes of java and the other big web development languages
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May 27, 2012 15:18
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perl has some p good features but constantly encourages you to use them in bad ways There's More Than One Way To Do It But Most Of Those Ways Are Terrible And You Should Never Use Them
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May 27, 2012 15:46
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i dunno if there's some faster path for "huh i wonder" to the computer working on w/e dumb poo poo i just thought up than perl but i also dont care
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May 27, 2012 16:21
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MSPain posted:so far my impression is that having to use references is going to be a pain to get used to and the default variable $_ thing is going to gently caress with me and I will hate it until the day I decide it's awesome i think its really nice but if you dont wanna use $_ you can do foreach my $butts (@tits) and then you can use $butts as the iterator references own though after you wrap your head around them (im like 80% there)
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May 27, 2012 16:28
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the arrow shorthand for dereferencing is p cool $hashref->{'whatever'} meaning ${$hashref}{'whatever'} $arrayref->[123] meaning ${$arrayref}[123] $subref->('dick',69) meaning &{$subref}('dick',69) then if you have refs to refs e.g. multidimensional arrays/hashes/whatever you can elide subsequent arrows e.g. $ref->{'row'}{'column'} meaning $ref->{'row'}->{'column'} meaning ${${$ref}{'row'}}{'column'} or w/e
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May 27, 2012 17:27
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JawnV6 posted:i dunno if there's some faster path for "huh i wonder" to the computer working on w/e dumb poo poo i just thought up than perl but i also dont care just gonna say that ruby is way more orthogonal: you can put arrays in arrays without having to know "references" and everything is an object so you don't have to think about boxing integers like java or explicit self like python it's more verbose than perl but it also doesn't have scalar and list contexts to confuse you
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May 27, 2012 19:29
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Rufo posted:the arrow shorthand for dereferencing is p cool why not hash['whatever']['row']['column']
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May 27, 2012 19:30
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BonzoESC posted:just gonna say that ruby is way more orthogonal yeah I am actually teaching myself perl and ruby at the same time and it's a really schizophrenic experience.
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May 27, 2012 19:34
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i think python is legitimately better than perl in about every respect but it's not like perl is bad
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May 27, 2012 19:37
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rotor posted:i think python is legitimately better than perl in about every respect but it's not like perl is bad i think perl is influential and important in the same way c is but just like c it's a bit too bare-bones and requires too many outside modules to be really powerful linguistically not functional enough
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May 27, 2012 19:40
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yeah it's cool that you can build an object-oriented system into it but instead of giving you the option of building one or having a half-dozen libraries for it why not build one in
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May 27, 2012 19:41
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BonzoESC posted:i think perl is influential and important in the same way c is but just like c it's a bit too bare-bones and requires too many outside modules to be really powerful linguistically wtf
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May 27, 2012 19:43
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rotor posted:i think python is legitimately better than perl in about every respect but it's not like perl is bad i'm a huge rookie but i prefer perl's syntax to python that doesn't necessarily make it a better language, i just like writing it more
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May 27, 2012 20:03
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fidel sarcastro posted:i'm a huge rookie but i prefer perl's syntax to python that's cool, whatever man, there aint no real right answer here.
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Your Favorite Language Is Just Fine
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except for php, that poo poo sucks
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rotor posted:Your Favorite Language Is Just Fine rotor posted:except for php, that poo poo sucks the syntax of an unexperienced idiot's view of perl combined with the safety of c
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i know just enough about php to realize i don't want to know any more
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MSPain posted:so far my impression is that having to use references is going to be a pain to get used to and the default variable $_ thing is going to gently caress with me and I will hate it until the day I decide it's awesome which is to say the only place you should be using $_ is in grep and map expressions Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 20:14 on May 27, 2012 |
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i dont think ive said "lua ftw" today. so, lua ftw
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perl seems pretty cool
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ahhh spiders posted:i dont think ive said "lua ftw" today. so, lua ftw we had a guy apply to a programming job, but the only programming experience he had was making WoW plugins in lua. As far as I know that's all lua is for and you aren't going to convince me otherwise. he didn't get the job btw. dude literally had a neck beard.
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May 27, 2012 20:35
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MSPain posted:we had a guy apply to a programming job, but the only programming experience he had was making WoW plugins in lua. As far as I know that's all lua is for and you aren't going to convince me otherwise. you still had him in for an interview
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May 27, 2012 20:38
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MSPain posted:dude literally had a neck beard. your loss. that's where programmers get their strength
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MSPain posted:he didn't get the job btw. dude literally had a neck beard. lmao "this programmer nerd actually had a neckbeard! can you believe that poo poo? what a fuckin poindexter. we hired the guy in the pukka shell necklace, he was hella chill."
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if i wasn't a complete failure & actually had the power to hire someone i would only hire bro nerds
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ahhh spiders posted:if i wasn't a complete failure & actually had the power to hire someone i would only hire bro nerds same except only girls with huge tits
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interpersonal skills are more important than technical skills in most companies these days. I didn't mean to offend you, your choice in facial hair is your right I guess.
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Read Modern Perl first. Pretty much has all you need to know about which features to use and which to ignore. Also brings you up to date on everything thats changed in the past few years which is good cause there are a lot of a lovely outdated tutorials out there.
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MSPain posted:we had a guy apply to a programming job, but the only programming experience he had was making WoW plugins in lua. As far as I know that's all lua is for and you aren't going to convince me otherwise. all lua developers are wow players yes like my buddy who owns a
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lua ftw
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Get your jimmies rustled on Lua.org
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BonzoESC posted:why not hash['whatever']['row']['column'] the short answer is "because you have to, because youre forced to handle references yourself, because of the way perl works" specifically 1. perl flattens arrays. ((1,2),(3,4)) means (1,2,3,4). this includes @_, the array of parameters received by a subroutine. so good luck passing two arrays, or anything more complicated, without the help of references 2. perl passes everything by value (when youre passing a reference youre still just passing a scalar by value) point #1 sounds like youre just working around a limitation of the language. arguably true but its not exactly hard to use [[1,2],[3,4]] or whatever. [] gives you a reference to an anonymous array. similarly the -> operator takes the pain out of dereferencing id actually say #2 is a positive thing. you dont have to think wtf is happening when you call a subroutine. you know its all by value. i only know a small amount of python but im reliably informed that quote:the following types, and their subclasses, pass by reference: which sounds fuckin horrific and a recipe for disaster/defensive copying hell tbqh
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yeah that seems dumb but iirc it's based on mutability, so I imagine you'd figure it out quickly
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Rufo posted:the short answer is "because you have to, because youre forced to handle references yourself, because of the way perl works" it was a rhetorical question, i'm just saying $ref->{'whatever'}{'row'}{'column'} is objectively worse than ref['whatever']['row']['column'], especially if the former is a world where "$arrayref->[123] meaning ${$arrayref}[123]" is true that said, ref['whatever']['row']['column'] is just syntactic sugar for ref.[]('whatever').[]('row').[]('column') which is itself equivalent to ref.send(:[], 'whatever').send(:[], 'row').send(:[], 'column') because [] is just a method also 5 + 6 is just syntactic sugar for 5.send(:+, 6) because everything in ruby is pass-by-reference-to-object and some classes of object (Symbol, Numeric, TrueClass, FalseClass, NilClass) just happen to not be mutable
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