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Well they glossed over that part in the Piper documentary I saw on Netflix today.
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The nWo weren't billed as being members of WCW either though!
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ultimateforce posted:I completely forgot Roddy Piper was in WCW but apparently he went over Hogan with a sleeper? Can someone shed some light on this for me? He also had a boxing match with Buff Bagwell and it involved Miles Lane and Judge Judy Bagwell wearing an airbrushed shirt with her and her son.
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May 28, 2012 00:25
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It doesn't matter that Piper's first match wasn't for the title. He was just there to beat up Hogan and prove he was the bigger star. He didn't care about WCW, so what would the title matter to him? Then he beats Hogan clean when Hogan was the super heel destroying the company. How many people beat Hogan clean during the height of the NWO? Then all the stupid crap after it happened. 
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May 28, 2012 00:28
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Bocc Kob posted:It doesn't matter that Piper's first match wasn't for the title. He was just there to beat up Hogan and prove he was the bigger star. He didn't care about WCW, so what would the title matter to him? Then he beats Hogan clean when Hogan was the super heel destroying the company. How many people beat Hogan clean during the height of the NWO? I can't imagine why he would care about the title.
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Astro7x posted:The thing about it being a Non Title match was when Piper was brought into WCW he was billed as not being a member of WCW, he was a free agent essentially. Except that he stuck around until 2000.... Well if you're getting paid truck loads of money to come in and hobble around with your bad hips, would you turn it down?
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Oatgan posted:The nWo weren't billed as being members of WCW either though! Sure, but at some point they got Eric Bischoff on their side, and he had the power to get them under contract. For continuity's sake, I'd say probably around the time Hogan was revealed, but that's conjecture.
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thatguyclint posted:Sure, but at some point they got Eric Bischoff on their side, and he had the power to get them under contract. For continuity's sake, I'd say probably around the time Hogan was revealed, but that's conjecture. No it was a couple of months after Bash at the Beach.
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May 28, 2012 03:36
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Bischoff revealed himself later but they said he was in it pretty much since right after Nash powerbombed him. That was their end around for all the plot holes, that Bischoff was pulling the strings in the back and helping it happen. The nWo contract stuff really made sense, or at least felt like it did. For those first few months they were always coming through the crowd and getting run off like the infamous "lawn dart" incident. Or they'd show up at the end of the show and spend 5 or 10 minutes taking advantage of chaos to end the show. Then once they started winning titles and getting on shows people actually asked how this worked but they pushed it as Hogan being able to do it by being champ. Then eventually Bischoff is revealed and says he was making it happen. It might have some plot holes if you looked closely enough, but it was working so well that you didn't want to nitpick the logic of it. Same with the "why didn't WCW gang up?" In the early stages WCW did, but the Outsiders were always one step ahead. If I'm remembering correctly the lawn dart thing happened on a Nitro where a bunch of wrestlers were ringside acting as security, which is why the Outsiders were able to sneak backstage and do such damage without the entire locker room coming down on them. Then once Hogan jumps, Giant jumps, and Sting appears to jump the locker room stops trusting each other. The nWo were always playing the locker room against each other so they'd stay splintered. Again, there were probably holes if you looked for them but it was fun enough not to.
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Well Bishoff got suspended, and that put a "Freeze" on any more signing of nWo contract. And Big Bubba and Wallstreet had to leave the nWo because of that. It wasn't until July that Konnan then joined the nWo somehow, and then people started joining again.
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STAC Goat posted:Same with the "why didn't WCW gang up?" In the early stages WCW did, but the Outsiders were always one step ahead. If I'm remembering correctly the lawn dart thing happened on a Nitro where a bunch of wrestlers were ringside acting as security, which is why the Outsiders were able to sneak backstage and do such damage without the entire locker room coming down on them. Then once Hogan jumps, Giant jumps, and Sting appears to jump the locker room stops trusting each other. The nWo were always playing the locker room against each other so they'd stay splintered. Again, there were probably holes if you looked for them but it was fun enough not to. It was pretty great how there would be this sense of where the boys were going to rally around a guy and then everything fell apart. You also had that one moment they seemed to all trust Piper and Flair and then Piper and Flair couldn't let personal issues go and suddenly those two were fighting each other instead of the nWo. There needed to be someone who could unite everyone together and that ended up being Sting. The Sting storyline was originally so good because he was the only guy who could say he wasn't WCW or nWo but he hated the nWo. He just didn't make it totally obvious. Wearing black and white helped a lot too. The way he would harass a WCW guy with a ball bat and then turn his back and give them a chance to hit him was fantastic. It got even more amazing when Savage ended up becoming Sting's ally. I thought the idea was to get together the true WCW guys to all form under Sting and be a faction set out to stop the nWo but instead Savage did this ridiculous heel turn that made absolutely no sense. It *could* have made sense if Savage revealed in the end he joined the nWo in order to destroy it from within but that was never done. By that point the angle was so hot they could do anything to make it successful. The worst point for me (even worse than fake Hogan head) was JJ Dillon coming out and agreeing to give Sting a match against not Hogan. That was so bloody retarded and you could tell they were just killing time.
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The fake Hogan head is one of my favorite wrestling moments ever.
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Karmine posted:The fake Hogan head is one of my favorite wrestling moments ever. I like to imagine Bret was thinking "I left WWF...for this. Someone suggest this to Josh and Road Dogg for "Are You Serious?" (if it hasn't already been on the show). Perigryn fucked around with this message at 12:10 on May 30, 2012 |
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May 30, 2012 12:05
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Perigryn posted:I like to imagine Bret was thinking "I left WWF...for this. That whole episode should be on in. That was the same episode that they spent a good hour taking down and putting up a new set. Then to make it better it was the go home show for Starrcade 97. I just tweeted it. bobkatt013 fucked around with this message at 13:12 on May 30, 2012 |
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Perigryn posted:I like to imagine Bret was thinking "I left WWF...for this. Is it just me or does it look like Bischoff is giggling his rear end off behind Hogan? I haven't seen that clip in years, it's one of those "drat, it couldn't have been THAT bad, right?" memories.
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May 30, 2012 13:58
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I don't see what's so silly about sending your hated foe a likeness of his own severed head as a birthday present. 
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Bocc Kob posted:I don't see what's so silly about sending your hated foe a likeness of his own severed head as a birthday present. The best part is hogan selling for the severed head... hahahahhaha
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bobkatt013 posted:That whole episode should be on in. That was the same episode that they spent a good hour taking down and putting up a new set.
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Jack Krauser posted:Please tell me there's a clip of this somewhere. It might not of been an hour but it felt like it. Here is the nitro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvVIEmNSZWk bobkatt013 fucked around with this message at 23:38 on May 30, 2012 |
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ColeM posted:The best part is hogan selling for the severed head... hahahahhaha Is it just me or was there zero reaction from the crowd when he pulls out the head?
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Is it just me or was there zero reaction from the crowd when he pulls out the head? Not just you and I gather thats because the crowd new the angle was ridiculous... hahahahah hogan's expression is so priceless. hahhahaahaha! When you look at it, hogan at least sold something because he sure as hell wasn't gonna sell for Sting.
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ColeM posted:Not just you and I gather thats because the crowd new the angle was ridiculous... hahahahah hogan's expression is so priceless. hahhahaahaha! When you look at it, hogan at least sold something because he sure as hell wasn't gonna sell for Sting. I thought the same thing. Hogan sold better for a fake severed head than the vast majority of those he's faced throughout his career.
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No one should be surprised, Hogan will only put over himself and that's all he was doing in that segment.
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bobkatt013 posted:It might not of been an hour but it felt like it.
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Jack Krauser posted:No one should be surprised, Hogan will only put over himself and that's all he was doing in that segment. Wasn't the NWO nitro(this show we're talking about)basically a glorified "look at Hogan and how awesome he is!" show? Pretty much seemed like it as eric was giving him gifts all night
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Jack Krauser posted:There's no set dismantling in this video. Does everyone remember this wrong or something? The user who uploaded the video got rid of that portion of the show. Believe me its terrible and boring. So i understand why.
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I just checked my copy and yeah it doesn't take anywhere near an hour. It takes about 15-18 minutes of actual TV time not including the commercial break.
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ColeM posted:The user who uploaded the video got rid of that portion of the show. Believe me its terrible and boring. So i understand why. The Part 2 video features the motorcycle segment, where some idiot drags out Bitchoff's motorcycle again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFyzfSPSYtA&sns=tw Daniel Bryan fucked around with this message at 03:03 on May 31, 2012 |
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Deadpool posted:I just checked my copy and yeah it doesn't take anywhere near an hour. It takes about 15-18 minutes of actual TV time not including the commercial break. It was just too much nWo interviews and very little wrestling. We had the set construction, the nWo Nitro intro, then the Hogan gift celebration where he gets his motorcycle, a second interview segment where Bischoff reveals these huge banners of Hogan's old SI cover, then the third interview segment where Hogan gets the severed head. That could have all been condensed into one segment...
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Astro7x posted:It was just too much nWo interviews and very little wrestling. We had the set construction, the nWo Nitro intro, then the Hogan gift celebration where he gets his motorcycle, a second interview segment where Bischoff reveals these huge banners of Hogan's old SI cover, then the third interview segment where Hogan gets the severed head. That could have all been condensed into one segment... Oh yeah, I didn't mean to give the intention it wasn't terrible. That episode is absolutely horrible.
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ColeM posted:The best part is hogan selling for the severed head... hahahahhaha
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Perigryn posted:Do you expect any less from him after "IT'S NOT HOT!"? IT'S NOT HOT is still my favorite Hogan moment of all time. I don't know the context but I can't imagine one even being imagined that makes it comprehensible.
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Defiance Industries posted:IT'S NOT HOT is still my favorite Hogan moment of all time. I don't know the context but I can't imagine one even being imagined that makes it comprehensible. This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR4XCZFMxzc
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Defiance Industries posted:IT'S NOT HOT is still my favorite Hogan moment of all time. I don't know the context but I can't imagine one even being imagined that makes it comprehensible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR4XCZFMxzc
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Yeah, that one. I don't know why he's in the cave or why he's surprised the water isn't hot or why anything else is happening. But that just makes it better.
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Found this in the related links. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhwHPiOKQyI&feature=fvwrel 
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That can be applied to literally anything involving the Dungeon of Doom. One of the wackiest long running storylines I've ever seen.
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One of the best parts of the IT'S NOT HOT video is The Master's "THE WARRIORS ARE GATHERING ON THE FOUR CONTINENTS AND SEVEN OCEANS!" line.
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The Master's nonsensical ramblings were amazing. If I could make that voice I'd say stuff like that too. I loved the Dungeon of Doom when it was happening in I think the same way people love Brodus Clay now. I wasn't yet cynical enough to be unable to embrace the ridiculousness of it. It was just so fun and goofy. I used to tune in anxiously to see what new monster the Master would reveal each week. If WWE put out a Dungeon of Doom DVD with all of those introductions and caves from the tunnel and stuff like that freaking Yeti block of ice on Nitro. I'd be the first in line and I'd watch that thing every few months when wrestling was boring me. It was terrible, I'm not denying. But if WWE just started packaging their FCW losers as monsters and had Raven or the Warrior instruct Cody Rhodes or someone on how to destroy Randy Orton. I don't know, something. I'd watch that crap. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 08:27 on Jun 1, 2012 |
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