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S.J. posted:I don't think it's a hard sell at 50 at all, it's just caster dependent. No different than the Colossals. And honestly who even thinks about 75 point games outside of for fun? That's not a competitive format. Both Madraks, Borka (mossssshhhh piiiiiiiit), Grim, eGrissel, and eDoomshaper could use the Mountain King pretty easily at 50 points with another heavy or a couple lights, or any number of ways depending on what you want to build the list for. Actually the Masters for this year's Gencon is going to be a 75 point tournament (still 1 caster). I wouldn't be surprised if they make more high level events at the 75 point level. Anyway, at the end of the day, you could take a Mountain King, or you could take an Earthborn and a Bomber. That's the hard sell. Now if you have the points to take an Earthborn, a Bomber and a Mountain King, that's a much easier sell.
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I personally can't wait to run Borka with The King. Any jack or beast is caster dependant, I don't think anyone would have predicted that taking a colossal or gargantuan beast with a caster like Caine or Morvahna was going to be a good idea.
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Chicken Slayer posted:
Not really, with the armour and boxes, the Mountain king is going to go down to just about any dedicated Melee beatstick, a Bronzeback titan with handlers is going to take him off the board in one round on average dice. Lots of people keep stating the whelps thing as making it unkillable, but against a def 9 huge base, its just too easy to get enough things into it to drop it in a single turn. Bronzebacks, Dire Trolls, Warpwolves, maybe a juggernaut and the other hard hitting jacks i'm not as well versed in Warmachine. All of those are going to be capable of putting it the ground in a single turn. The fact that fielding it to its full potential requires me to buy enough whelps to fully surround a huge base don't thrill me either. Calico Noose fucked around with this message at 08:29 on Jun 4, 2012 |
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Jun 4, 2012 08:23
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Trolls have the tools to make it hard to kill through a combination of armour buffs and board denial. Part of the problem with killing this thing is that the Troll army is full of medium bases and ways to block off charges to this thing. Whelp Shedding, Jenissa's wall, models with tough, plus a Kriel Stone. If it's set up right you'll probably be able to get in, at best, one non-reach Heavy against it. Sure a Bronzeback could cripple or kill this thing, especially with a caster like Nareesh, Xerxis or P Morghull, or if Molik Khan can also get a charge off. But a lot of lists just cannot put out enough damage to kill this thing in one round, or the tools to get around the army of dudes in the way. And if you don't kill it, then it heals a bunch, shed's all its fury by eating a Whelp and facerolls you.
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S.J. posted:I don't think it's a hard sell at 50 at all, it's just caster dependent. No different than the Colossals. And honestly who even thinks about 75 point games outside of for fun? That's not a competitive format. Both Madraks, Borka (mossssshhhh piiiiiiiit), Grim, eGrissel, and eDoomshaper could use the Mountain King pretty easily at 50 points with another heavy or a couple lights, or any number of ways depending on what you want to build the list for. I'm trying to fit Mountain King in my regular Edoomy list, but I'm finding it hard to justify because Mountain King can't be goaded. Right now I'm gonna try running him with an Earthborn, Krielstone + UA and Janissa. Planning to do the usual walk up field protected by Earthborn Animus + Stone aura. This gets you an armor 23 terror that walks up the field and spits pow 16 primal shocks at stuff, that charges 11 inches at the minimum (spd 5 + charge + feat).
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Jun 4, 2012 09:38
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Can Colossals/Gargantuans use up free Warjack/Warbeast points?
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Jun 4, 2012 10:27
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Yes, they're warjacks and warbeasts.
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Jun 4, 2012 10:32
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stabbington posted:Yes, they're warjacks and warbeasts. Welp there goes the 15 point meta 
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Jun 4, 2012 10:33
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Devlan Mud posted:Welp there goes the 15 point meta System: Warmachine Faction: Mortenebra - Infernal Machines Casters: 1/1 Points: 15/15 Tiers: 1 Master Necrotech Mortenebra (*4pts) * Deathripper (4pts) * Ripjaw (5pts) * Ripjaw (5pts) * Ripjaw (5pts) 
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Jun 4, 2012 11:06
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If I may present a simpler list. System: Warmachine Faction: Khador Casters: 1/1 Points: 14/15 Kommander Harkevich, the Iron Wolf (*5pts) * Conquest (19pts)
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Chicken Slayer posted:If I may present a simpler list. I still think taking Mortenebra and then using a small swarm of chicken jacks to pull apart a colossal will be the best list.
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Jun 4, 2012 11:40
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Chicken Slayer posted:If I may present a simpler list. You forgot your war dog, Chicken.
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Jun 4, 2012 13:40
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Wait, wait, we can play this game too! Captain Bartolo Montador (*5) * Galleon (18) Master Gunner Dougal MacNaile (2) Sidenote: I think that Galleon is the only Colossal that can use all his weapons in a single round. You open up with your cannons, then fire the harpoon, drag, melee, and start buying additional attacks. You could do a pretty stupid amount of damage that way.
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Jun 4, 2012 14:54
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Feora, Protector of the flame +6 *Judicator 18pts Choir of Menoth 2pts Vassal Mechanic 1pt Although, I would much rather 1 caster 1 colossal replace the highlander format, as that just sounds like a lot more fun.
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Jun 4, 2012 15:41
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Ashcans posted:Wait, wait, we can play this game too! I cannot wait to use Drake McBain with the Galleon. Fortune is handy but being able to put three focus on it and cast Jackhammer 3 times should pretty much wreck everything and anything. Not too mention Fail Safe on it as well! Though pMagnus casting Iron Aggression on it should cause an equal amount of havoc.
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Jun 4, 2012 17:21
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The best thing about MacBain and the Galleon is Failsafe. Sorry guys, you will need to tick every last box on this bad boy before it stops swinging! The only problem with using it with pMagnus is that it seems like a prime target for all his spells. Iron Aggression, sure. But Tempered Metal, yes! Snipe? That too! How do I choose?! I guess the real problem is that it won't profit from his feat, which stings a little.
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Jun 4, 2012 17:31
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Ashcans posted:Wait, wait, we can play this game too! That had actually not occurred to me. It's almost as if our colossal has virtuoso if you assume you can hit with the harpoon ranged attack. Would it be legal to drag something with the harpoon and then power attack throw it in one activation? That's a lot of moving an opponent's heavy.
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Acceptableloss posted:That had actually not occurred to me. It's almost as if our colossal has virtuoso if you assume you can hit with the harpoon ranged attack. Nope. Power attacks are done instead of initials.
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Acceptableloss posted:That had actually not occurred to me. It's almost as if our colossal has virtuoso if you assume you can hit with the harpoon ranged attack. No because you have to use your initial attacks for the power attack. Seems like a dumb rule since your already spending a focus on the power attack.
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Yea, I really wish that all jacks could just power attack in place of their initials, without having to blow their initials as well. At least for some of them - I think we would see a lot more locks and headbutts and stuff if they didn't cost focus (and so marshalled jacks could do them too). Focus for charges, slams, and tramples is ok, I think. Acceptableloss posted:That had actually not occurred to me. It's almost as if our colossal has virtuoso if you assume you can hit with the harpoon ranged attack. Pretty much! In addition, it seems like the Galleon would be able to do this pretty much every turn, too. I believe that Colossals can always choose to make their ranged attacks, even if they are engaged. So even if you are already in melee, you can open up with all your cannons, then harpoon either something you're in melee with or something else, and then start buying more melee attacks on whoever. Brutal.
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Korwen posted:Also: Grats IRSMRT on the Tiers victory. Making Ret look good. d'aww thanks guys. PaintVagrant posted:Phatasian is a cool dude and runs good events. Ive only met him once at an event here in detroit last year, but Im hoping to get out to warmachine weekend this year and hang out with the Muse dudes/etc. I hung out with them, flanzer, neutralyze, and the renegade crew for most of the week and holy poo poo was it a blast. Phatasian and flanzer were pushing hard to get me to go to wmw; and I think I might try and rearrange my vacation schedule to go. Also sorry Ret dudes, but Phatasian convinced me to go back to Menoth. I started playing this game because of big stompy robots and I want to go back to stomping dudes with robots. S.J. posted:Menothplayers.txt Playing Retribution has made me appreciate every thing in Menoth way more. Menoth players have no idea how good they have it sometimes. I R SMART LIKE ROCK fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Jun 4, 2012 |
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I R SMART LIKE ROCK posted:Playing Retribution has made me appreciate every thing in Menoth way more. Menoth players have no idea how good they have it sometimes. Don't remind me, I'd like to actually put my circle aside and play with my Ret sometime 
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I R SMART LIKE ROCK posted:Playing Retribution has made me appreciate every thing in Menoth way more. Menoth players have no idea how good they have it sometimes.
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I R SMART LIKE ROCK posted:Also sorry Ret dudes, but Phatasian convinced me to go back to Menoth. I started playing this game because of big stompy robots and I want to go back to stomping dudes with robots. Yay! This is why I got into the game myself. It's why I'm naturally drawn to casters that can handle more than one 'jack.
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Ashcans posted:The best thing about MacBain and the Galleon is Failsafe. Sorry guys, you will need to tick every last box on this bad boy before it stops swinging! Can a model be effected by multiple upkeeps? This is something I thought about while contemplating changing my pMagnus list up. My friend noted I could run 30 Halberdiers with advanced move, while still maintaining a 35pt. T4 list. Then I'd just throw Tempered + Aggression on my Mangler if I could, instead of each spell on separate jacks like my current list does.
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Sab669 posted:Can a model be effected by multiple upkeeps? This is something I thought about while contemplating changing my pMagnus list up. My friend noted I could run 30 Halberdiers with advanced move, while still maintaining a 35pt. T4 list. Then I'd just throw Tempered + Aggression on my Mangler if I could, instead of each spell on separate jacks like my current list does. Nope. As soon as the 2nd one is cast the first one goes away. Though a model can be affected by an enemy and friendly upkeep at the same time.
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Sab669 posted:Can a model be effected by multiple upkeeps? Nope, if you cast a second upkeep on a model/unit the first upkeep automatically expires. This is part of why non-upkeep/spell abilities liek Rhupert's songs or Damiano's coin effects are so good. What you can do is to exploit the timing of game to maximize the effect of different spells. So you could cast Iron Agression on your Mangler round one. At the start of your second turn you upkeep it, activate the Mangler and have it attack (getting all the benefits from Iron Agression). Then you activate Magnus and cast Tempered Metal on the Mangler - that will cause Iron Agression to expire, but you've already used it so you don't care, and your Mangler will have the benefit of Tempered Metal through your opponent's turn. Of course, in turn three you won't be able to pull the same trick again. You can also use this same tactic to double up on Snipe. Round one you cast it on one Renegade. Round two that Renegade fires, then you cast the spell on your second Renegade - that makes it expire on the first one, but you don't care. Then activate the second Renegade and enjoy your second sniped shot.
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I R SMART LIKE ROCK posted:Playing Retribution has made me appreciate every thing in Menoth way more. Menoth players have no idea how good they have it sometimes. I know exactly how good I have it, I'm playing Menoth (the best faction). Just because the faith of others waivers doesn't mean mine does. 
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From my understanding you cant shoot and stab, even when buying attacks unless its an out of turn activation(ancillary shot via a vassal) and your not engaged.
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Ashcans posted:Nope, if you cast a second upkeep on a model/unit the first upkeep automatically expires. This is part of why non-upkeep/spell abilities liek Rhupert's songs or Damiano's coin effects are so good. Yea, the snipe trick I do every game- I knew you can't have the same spell on differnet models, just wasn't sure about different spells on one 
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Ashcans posted:Wait, wait, we can play this game too! I actually like pMags with it more. Snipe, Iron Aggression, Temper Metal, all great for it.
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Ashcans posted:The only problem with using it with pMagnus is that it seems like a prime target for all his spells. Iron Aggression, sure. But Tempered Metal, yes! Snipe? That too! How do I choose?! Thinking about it, you could easily switch out the spells based on what the Galleon is doing that turn. Give it Snipe for the first two turns, and if you need to thresher infantry about just switch over to Iron Aggression for the free boosted Melee attacks. Getting into a slug match with another Colossal or a gaggle of Jacks, give him Tempered Metal. Its a shame about his feat but that's one hell of a toolbox for the Galleon.
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And still, you can use his feat to cordon him off with your other jacks and protect him.
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Anyone here have any experience in magnetizing heavy warjacks? I've got a bunch of 1/16 magnets and think these should be enough for the arms, but I'll need smaller ones for the head.
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Eyespy posted:Actually that's more or less what I had in mind, except I was looking at adding the B13th at the 15 point level. Sorry, lots of posts today. Junior = Journeyman, yeah, sorry! If you bring min Sword Knights you'll have three for him. B13 is cool and everything, but who brings stealthed units to a 15-point game? By all means slot them in for 35, but unless you love the models I'd wait a little while. (They're great, but they're great at something other than shooting at non-stealthed heavy jacks.)
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:I actually like pMags with it more. Snipe, Iron Aggression, Temper Metal, all great for it. I was thinking that Bart would be able to combine Batten and Broadsides on it, but forgot how expensive those are (and that Batten is not an upkeep). You're right, pMags is probably better, especially if that's the only jack - both Batten and Broadsides get better the more jacks you have running.
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Bart is still a good match for the Galleon. Hotshot on the Galleon is just disgusting. All those gun ports with boosted damage is going to spell death to banes, Exemplar and any warjack that gets knocked over by Bart's feat.Flipswitch posted:Anyone here have any experience in magnetizing heavy warjacks? I've got a bunch of 1/16 magnets and think these should be enough for the arms, but I'll need smaller ones for the head. 1/16 magnets (is that radius or diameter?) are pretty tiny, but they should be enough for plastic to plastic. No guarantee for plastic to metal though (for upgrade kits), so be careful. I used 5mm radii magnets (about 3-4 times the size: 1/16 is about 1.5mm) and they worked fine for plastic to metal. I think 3mm ones should be ok too. I don't think you should bother magnetising the head though. The plastic warjack kits have tiny heads compared to the metal ones and most people don't care which one you use. If you've got magnets small enough, go for it. I wouldn't make it a priority though. Bit of naff advice to finish up, but make sure you mark the connecting sides with a permanent marker before you glue them in. It'll rub off when you're done and save a lot of trouble. The last thing you want to do with magnets is try digging one out after you've stuck it in the wrong way.
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Thanks man, I was thinking of picking up smaller magnets for the heads but was a bit cautious of it. I normally tend to assembly things directly and haven't really ever tried converting stuff in any way so it's a bit daunting. That said I wasn't sure whether I'd bother running two Crusaders for Menoth at all and was tempted to glue the shield onto the arm, granted I'd lose a one of the three 'jacks in the kit, but it would save a headache on magnetizing the shield too. The magnets are 1/8 x 1/16 for reference.
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Chicken Slayer posted:Bart is still a good match for the Galleon. Hotshot on the Galleon is just disgusting. All those gun ports with boosted damage is going to spell death to banes, Exemplar and any warjack that gets knocked over by Bart's feat. Ever since they came out with the updated warjack kits where they are all plastic and contain the parts you need to build a bunch of them, i have been magnetizing and painting all the parts so that i can swap them out without having to buy a zillion kits. 1/16 is KINDA tiny for some of the arm parts but it should work. Here is a great guide on how to do it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXaFcS8THss Warning, his intro sound is ear raping. He will tell you what kinds of magnets to use and where to place them in order to get the best effect. Also its always worth checking out MiniWargameing's store to see if they are doing a free magnet giveaway since you will use these things often once you figure out what you can do with them.
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