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BrokenKnucklez posted:Welcome to owning a high end SUV. If it has 4wd and a V8 you can never expect anything better than 20. A Wrangler will never get any better than 18, due to the aerodynamic properties of a brick and the weight of one as well. Holy poo poo this guy hit the nail on the head. My mother has had two 4.7 grand Cherokees. For the money you pay and the reliability and gas millage, I've tried to talk her into a Subaru wagon. A Subaru wagon will perform just as well as a grand Cherokee but score better in every way. You have to pay to play.
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I had a 99 Grand Cherokee 4.7 Limited. It wasn't a bad SUV by any means. But god drat if random annoying poo poo didn't break. Don't get me wrong, when every thing was perfect, that was a dream machine. But stupid annoying poo poo would randomly break, windows wouldn't roll up, or the transmission randomly throwing codes. Trust me I own a Range Rover now. If you want to talk about complicated poo poo, just give me a call. I can explain to you how there is 5 different circuits needed to roll down a window. Buy a Subaru Outback for your DD. For the weekends and adventures, buy an XJ or an old Grand Cherokee that you can beat around in the bush. I love my Range Rover for a weekend driver, but gently caress driving that thing on a daily basis.
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Jun 2, 2012 00:46
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Slow is Fast posted:
No kidding, unless you have a Diesel Liberty, welcome to the world of AWD/4x4 trucks and suv's where high teens is good mileage. If/when I get back into jeeps again, I'm doing a cummins 4BT conversion or 3200 optimizer diesel from AM general. That'll get me into the high 20's for sure... plus a ton of torque 
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Geared Hub posted:No kidding, unless you have a Diesel Liberty, welcome to the world of AWD/4x4 trucks and suv's where high teens is good mileage. I've seen a WV Turbodiesel sin an 86 Comanche. He gets stupid good mileage but can't tow poo poo.
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Jun 2, 2012 03:49
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BrokenKnucklez posted:I had a 99 Grand Cherokee 4.7 Limited That's not random 
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Rhyno posted:I've seen a WV Turbodiesel sin an 86 Comanche. He gets stupid good mileage but can't tow poo poo. Why couldn't he tow anything? That TDI motor should have some good torque.
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Jun 2, 2012 15:20
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A generic 1.9 VW TDi engine from something in the late-nineties-to-early-2000s makes maybe 150-200lbs.ft - a Commanche 4.0 would be 225lbs.ft and actually have some power. I'd take a TDi lump in a Suzuki (it's quite popular), but I wouldn't expect one to hack it in something XJ sized. I love that my WJ's V8 makes more torque than the diesel version, but yeah, you have to be willing to take the hit on fuel economy.
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Jun 2, 2012 16:04
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Bovril Delight posted:Why couldn't he tow anything? That TDI motor should have some good torque. Like ID said, not a ton of torque or power. My father's TDI only makes 90hp and I think 110lbs.ft of torque. He has a hitch on it and tries to tow things but it usually ends badly.
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Jun 2, 2012 17:05
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kastein posted:That's not random It did some strange poo poo. Some days it would go into limp mode, then it would be fine 50 miles later. Then it would just freak it self out and not go into gear. I made friends with the mechanic at the dealer, I gave him the car one night he tried every thing to replicate it, couldn't do it. The only thing we could remotely attribute it to was either bad grounds or a wire that was just barely making contact. Chrysler Engineering 
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Jun 2, 2012 20:31
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I have a haunted relay in the dash of my TJ. No lights spaz out when it goes clicking and buzzing, so  in taking out the instrument cluster to locate it. 
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Jun 2, 2012 21:46
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I broke something involved with the electric fan somehow when I replaced my radiator and t-stat. Every time it kicks on the entire jeep vibrates like crazy. I love this thing  On the bright side my coolant temp is steady at 200-210 now in all conditions I have tested. Before it would go as low as 150 while idling with the ac on, to as high as 220 when moving slowly through the city. rally fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Jun 2, 2012 |
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I have no money so what did I do? I went out and bought a 2012 Jeep Wrangler, It will be delivered Tuesday. I originally went to get something better on gas than my 300, and instead I ended up getting something that gets worse mileage, but the grin on my face when I was driving the 6 speed was bigger than anything the 300 ever did for me. I got the 3 piece hardtop and the sport model since I'll be doing a bunch of upgrades on it myself, such as the wheels. Oh god what did I get myself into!
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Jun 3, 2012 06:11
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Guru Yaekob posted:I have no money so what did I do? I went out and bought a 2012 Jeep Wrangler, It will be delivered Tuesday. By the sound of it you need to buy a hammock so you can live in it just to afford gas. Become a nomad.
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Sponge! posted:By the sound of it you need to buy a hammock so you can live in it just to afford gas. Become a nomad. This is the typical route a Jeep owner goes correct? If I'm gonna do it I gotta do it right!
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Jun 3, 2012 07:41
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Most of us bought used, though 
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FreelanceSocialist posted:Most of us bought used, though Some of us bought reaaallly used.
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commissargribb posted:Some of us bought reaaallly used. We just say 'it's had some test drives'.
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Jun 3, 2012 17:44
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"One careful owner. Followed by several idiots."
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Jun 3, 2012 17:47
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from the condition most of mine have been in, there was no careful owner. Only many idiots. Got em for the right price though! Except that first one, that much rust should be illegal.
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Jun 3, 2012 17:50
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InitialDave posted:"One careful owner. Followed by several idiots." "One careful owner, followed by me bashing the bottom side on rocks"
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EightBit posted:"One careful owner, followed by me bashing the bottom side on rocks" This probably meets the description of mine best.
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Jun 4, 2012 00:29
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Gently used. Only had to flip it upright and winch it sideways out of a ravine twice!
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Found a 2010 Wranger Sport Unlimited with 24000 miles. Seller is asking 24k. Looks like its pretty good shape. Good price or not?
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Ok, I just changed the transmission fluid and filters on my WJ, and I have a query: What is the correct way to check the fluid level with V8 and the 545RFE? With the engine running, the answers I have are: Handbook - in park* Haynes manual - in neutral** WJJeeps.com (and indeed the internet as a whole) - in park* Instructions on the dipstick - in neutral *Specifically says park for the V8. The I6 with the 42RE says neutral **No distinction made between the V8 and I6 models Now, I'm 90% sure that the correct method is with it in park, and that the Haynes copywriter was just being lazy - but why would my dipstick contradict what's in the manual?
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Check it both ways. If it's within the safe range in either park or neutral, ignore the other reading  I'd probably trust the dipstick. What fluid did you use?
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Gen-u-ine Mopar ATF+4.  I drove it around the block to get it all circulated a bit, and topped it up to be on the "cold" (the fluid felt ambient temperature to me) marks in park, which equates to a total of 5.5 litres put in. I believe the "fluid change" quantity is meant to be 6.0 - 6.5 litres, so I guess it could take a bit more. I'll check again shortly, I've still got a pint left out of what I bought.
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vulturesrow posted:Found a 2010 Wranger Sport Unlimited with 24000 miles. Seller is asking 24k. Looks like its pretty good shape. Good price or not? A 2012 starts under $26k. What your seeing is about par for prices, they're holding value well. This is why I went with a new one after trying to find a 2010/11. I paid less than I would've for the used ones.
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Godholio posted:A 2012 starts under $26k. What your seeing is about par for prices, they're holding value well. This is why I went with a new one after trying to find a 2010/11. I paid less than I would've for the used ones. If that's the case then I too would spring for a 2012 since they get a better engine than previous JK's. Or just get a TJ with the 4.0 (pre-2007).
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Godholio posted:A 2012 starts under $26k. What your seeing is about par for prices, they're holding value well. This is why I went with a new one after trying to find a 2010/11. I paid less than I would've for the used ones. Thanks man. Looks like it already got sold though. 
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EightBit posted:Or just get a TJ with the 4.0 Or a late model YJ with a 4.0L (92 to 95)
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EightBit posted:If that's the case then I too would spring for a 2012 since they get a better engine than previous JK's. Or just get a TJ with the 4.0 avoid the 04/05s (iirc), they have a cam/oil pump drive gear issue that results in the gear grenading and falling into your oil pan, and no oil pressure.
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unfortunately this is not my MJ. It's a friend of mine's. He built it right, instead of the usual hackjob redneck crap you see... and it has a 440. He wasn't all that happy with the 4.0L/NP435/D20 setup he had before, so now it has a mopar bigblock 440 mildly built, an NV4500 transmission, IIRC an NP241DHD doubler box, and an NP205 transfer case. Still has the same 40" MTRs and locked front/rear 60s it had last time I posted it.  (click for video)
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commissargribb posted:Or a late model YJ with a 4.0L (92 to 95) '91
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Maybe I intentionally left out the first year of renix production nope
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they still used renix on YJs in 91? Either you're wrong or Chrysler was a bunch of idiots. I'm almost certain they were on OBD-I by then. EDIT: my 91 FSM says (page 8W-87, YJ wiring diagrams chapter page 12) that there are 4 fuel injectors for the 1991 2.5L YJ which implies MPFI, and to the best of my knowledge all RENIX 2.5s had TBI, with only one or two fuel injectors. Checking crank position sensor next. EDIT2: it has a 3 wire logic level (OBD-I style) CPS as well, and a 4 wire bipolar step motor IACV, as well as an OBD-I diagnostic connector. Definitely OBD-I not RENIX. kastein fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Jun 5, 2012 |
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What's this poo poo?? I'm assuming it should be connected to something before I drive  Coming out of the back of the front differential.  e: looks like it's my vent hose Zip tie it somewhere high and drive on?
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Astonishing Wang posted:
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yeah, ziptie that poo poo somewhere high, make sure it won't drag on the exhaust or driveshaft, and you are golden.
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The '91 YJ in my driveway is a 4.0 HO. YMMV.
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Bucephalus posted:The '91 YJ in my driveway is a 4.0 HO. YMMV. >200,000 miles now I'm guessing. It starts up fine in the summer but I think i'll need to tweak it a bit more to get it to run more reliably. That's pretty much a given with a carbed 4.2L though.
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