|
bobkatt013 posted:Here is what I think of the news Such a good scene until he starts stating his political achievements. I don't think God cares if you created 3.8 million jobs or not, such a weird thing to try and use to appeal to the mercy of your deity.
|
#
?
Jun 4, 2012 19:21
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 4, 2024 21:28 |
|
|
Zahki posted:Such a good scene until he starts stating his political achievements. I don't think God cares if you created 3.8 million jobs or not, such a weird thing to try and use to appeal to the mercy of your deity. I think he meant it in terms of "I made this world a better place, I'm improving people's lives!"
|
|
#
?
Jun 4, 2012 19:23
|
|
|
He also shouldn't be bragging about 'creating' only 3.8 million jobs in nearly four years.quote:3.8 million jobs sure sounds like a lot, but at the time Bartlet made this speech, it added up to just over 90,000 jobs during each month of his presidency — far less than the country needs just to keep up with population growth. This kind of stagnant growth could be excused if President Bartlet, like President Obama, presided over our emergence from an historic recession, but the Bartlet Administration experienced no similar economic calamity. From Josiah Bartlet was a Mediocre President.
|
|
#
?
Jun 4, 2012 19:26
|
|
|
Joementum posted:He also shouldn't be bragging about 'creating' only 3.8 million jobs in nearly four years. I remember reading that, but I just started rewatching (in glorious HD) and in the first couple of episodes Leo talks about needing an economic stimulus package. Fake edit: this is the quote, from 1x02, not sure who it's addressed to: quote:You know what we need right now? An economic stimulus package that doesn't look like it was put together at an Amway rally.
|
|
#
?
Jun 4, 2012 19:32
|
|
|
TinTower posted:Kathryn Joosten, known for her roles as Mrs Landingham in The West Wing and Karen McCluskey in Desperate Housewives, has died, age 72. RIP Mrs Landingham =( Watching the ending of Two Cathedrals (The best minutes of TV ever put together IMHO) is all the more poignant for me now. Came here to pray quietly for West Wing on Bluray. Not sure how it's popularity/cost of BD etc would ever lead to that happening. But the HD episodes for streaming are nice!
|
|
#
?
Jun 4, 2012 19:41
|
|
|
Joementum posted:He also shouldn't be bragging about 'creating' only 3.8 million jobs in nearly four years.  
|
|
#
?
Jun 5, 2012 07:04
|
|
|
I only sort of skimmed that article but I didn't like it! quote:Mulready’s appointment came about as part of a compromise to ensure that Senate Republicans would also confirm a chief justice whose very personal experience with Roe v. Wade would otherwise make her unconfirmable. quote:For seven seasons, the West Wing was therapy for thousands of Bush-weary progressives who fantasized about being governed by a Nobel Prize winning scholar who didn’t believe that high-income tax cuts were a panacea. Now that America actually is governed by a Nobel Prize winning scholar
|
|
#
?
Jun 5, 2012 08:00
|
|
|
BrooklynBruiser posted:"I didn't realize babies come with hats. You guys crack me up. You don't have jobs, you can't walk or speak the language, you don't have a dollar in your pockets, but you got yourselves a hat, so everything's fine. I don't want to alarm you or anything, but I'm Dad. And for you, son, for you this will be the last time I pass the buck, but I think it should be clear from the get-go that it was Mom who named you Huckleberry. I guess she was feeling like life doesn't present enough challenges to overcome on its own. And honey, you've got a name now, too. Your mom and I named you after an incredibly brave, uh... An incredibly brave woman. Really not all that much older than you. Your name is Molly. Huck... and Molly. So, what do I do? Well, you're going to need food and clothes and doctors and dentists... there's that. And should you have any questions along the way... I'm going to be doing stuff like this, Huck, 'cause you're leaking a little bit out of your mouth there. You holding my finger, son? Hey Molly, your brother's holding my hand. You wanna hold my hand?" That is such an amazing episode of television, and that is such an amazing scene. Just shows what a brilliant actor can do with great material.
|
|
#
?
Jun 5, 2012 15:08
|
|
|
James R posted:That is such an amazing episode of television, and that is such an amazing scene. Just shows what a brilliant actor can do with great material. That bit with Toby made me tear up a little bit 
|
|
#
?
Jun 5, 2012 16:15
|
|
|
myron cope posted:Come on, really? Bartlet (co-)won the Nobel Prize in Economics, Obama won the Peace Prize. They aren't even comparable. Both of the prizes have been repeatedly been awarded to less-than-deserving people. The Economics one isn't even a real Nobel Prize.
|
|
#
?
Jun 5, 2012 17:46
|
|
|
Joementum posted:He also shouldn't be bragging about 'creating' only 3.8 million jobs in nearly four years. It wasn't nearly 4 years at this point. This was the end of season 2 so it was just over 2 years. They were 8 months in at the beginning of season 1, and if the season finale was roughly in real time (which they tend to do), it was about 28 months. I don't know if that really changes the point the article was trying to make, but they could at least get their facts straight.
|
|
#
?
Jun 5, 2012 18:40
|
|
|
Yeah, it was well before his 4th State of the Union address (which was in the middle of Season 3), and the Republican race hadn't really started at all.
|
|
#
?
Jun 5, 2012 18:49
|
|
|
The West Wing continuity guide pegs Mrs. Landingham's death in May, 2001 and seven months before the Iowa Caucuses, so the election is in 2002. Assuming her funeral takes place shortly thereafter, that makes it 28 months into his presidency, giving him a job growth rate of roughly 136,000/month. This is roughly the same as George Bush's average.
|
|
#
?
Jun 5, 2012 19:00
|
|
|
Doctor Spaceman posted:Both of the prizes have been repeatedly been awarded to less-than-deserving people. The Economics one isn't even a real Nobel Prize. The Peace Prize isn't even given by the Swiss!
|
|
#
?
Jun 5, 2012 19:45
|
|
|
myron cope posted:The Peace Prize isn't even given by the Swiss! Of course not, the Swiss are notoriously greedy about gold.
|
|
#
?
Jun 5, 2012 20:37
|
|
|
Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Of course not, the Swiss are notoriously greedy about gold. You mean they are greedy about their cuckoo clocks.
|
|
#
?
Jun 5, 2012 21:37
|
|
|
Aaron Sorkin does a commencement speech and re-uses West Wing material. You can watch it here, firstly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwvilfPWHYI quote:One student at Syracuse was, however, less impressed: Chelsea DeBaise, writing in Monday’s edition of The Daily Orange (“the independent student newspaper of Syracuse, New York”), pointed out that Sorkin recycled more or less wholesale a speech he gave at another Syracuse ceremony, the 1997 convocation of Syracuse’s College of Visual and Performing Arts.
|
|
#
?
Jun 6, 2012 13:50
|
|
|
I find that funny because I vaguely remember some of the West Wing speechwriters (Toby, Sam, Will) talking about how much of speechwriting is stealing the good parts of other speeches.
|
|
#
?
Jun 6, 2012 14:01
|
|
|
I'm starting to find a pattern that the best WW episodes have numbers in the title: Two Cathedrals, 17 People, 18th and Potomac
|
|
#
?
Jun 6, 2012 17:13
|
|
|
Kloaked00 posted:I'm starting to find a pattern that the best WW episodes have numbers in the title: Two Cathedrals, 17 People, 18th and Potomac 20 Hours in America, Twenty Five. Also, seasons really tend to pick up going into the finale, though that's the of most shows. Enemies Foreign and Domestic through to Posse Comitatus is brilliant, for example.
|
|
#
?
Jun 6, 2012 19:55
|
|
|
Just finished rewatching the series, and the scene in Inauguration Over There where Josh, Danny, Will, Charlie and Toby all go to Donna's apartment takes the prize as my favorite scene. I can't help but think every time I watch it that the producers must have cut out some epic, zany adventure immediately before it that explained how Will, Toby and Charlie got involved in it all when Will has barely gotten to know them all yet, Toby clearly doesn't want to be there in the first place and Charlie is being unusually fixated on Zoey.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2012 12:07
|
|
|
Probably shouldn't be reading this thread, but I am 5 episodes into the first season and I can't believe I've never watched this show before. It is so drat good. Unexpectedly funny, too. Martin Sheen taking Vicodin and Percocet at the same time and then getting really goofy around his staff. The "Crackpots and Women" episode was amazing. I guess I should get out of this thread until I finish it, lest I spoil something, but I will be back after I plow through this show.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2012 17:35
|
|
|
...except Mandy sucks, right? AM I RIGHT?
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2012 17:55
|
|
|
escape artist posted:Probably shouldn't be reading this thread, but I am 5 episodes into the first season and I can't believe I've never watched this show before. It is so drat good. Unexpectedly funny, too. Martin Sheen taking Vicodin and Percocet at the same time and then getting really goofy around his staff. The "Crackpots and Women" episode was amazing. I guess I should get out of this thread until I finish it, lest I spoil something, but I will be back after I plow through this show. I'll spoiler this as you're doing a first run through, but for everyone (in relation to that vicodent/percocet scene) it's some pretty subtle foreshadowing to the reveal of Bartlet's MS later in the season. My first time through the series I didn't pick up on it, on my most recent watch (I'm currently in mid season 2) I realised he mentioned his 'muscles weren't what they used to be' while strung out on pills to his staff. also oh my god, Mandy loving pained me this time around, my first time through I almost enjoyed her presence, this time she was ruining every scene she appeared in. I would kill for a fan-edit of season 1 where they remove all 90% of all Mandy related plots from the story - she can show up in that one episode to leak her crappy memo and then go away. edit - Donna's hair and styling sucked until at least season 3, drat girl what up with that.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2012 17:58
|
|
|
Banjodark posted:I would kill for a fan-edit of season 1 where they remove all 90% of all Mandy related plots from the story - she can show up in that one episode to leak her crappy memo and then go away.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2012 20:00
|
|
|
myron cope posted:And the death penalty one, so josh can still say No, Burt Lincoln! But otherwise yeah, she sucks. She does. But they realise it so by the end of that season she's barely in it. If you look at her role during the back-nine she hardly factors. I do love though that no one addresses where she went. Still the biggest cringe worthy moment for me is, when I introduce people to the show, you have to sit through her intro. Everything about it is so unbelievably 90's. The music, the camera angle. It just screams 'Attitude'.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2012 20:15
|
|
|
Has Moira Kelly ever publicly offered her thoughts about that, anyway?
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2012 20:17
|
|
|
The SARS Volta posted:Has Moira Kelly ever publicly offered her thoughts about that, anyway?
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2012 20:23
|
|
|
Banjodark posted:edit - Donna's hair and styling sucked until at least season 3, drat girl what up with that. Donna's from Wisconsin.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2012 12:59
|
|
|
HorseHeadBed posted:Donna's from Missed it by four miles
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2012 14:04
|
|
|
To those who were around at the time: When season 7 originally aired, how big was the part of the audience that wanted Vinick to win?
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2012 17:41
|
|
|
DominoDancing posted:To those who were around at the time: When season 7 originally aired, how big was the part of the audience that wanted Vinick to win? I don't know the answer to this question, because I didn't watch it until after everything was over. However, looking at JUST Santos vs Vinick, I think I'd want Vinick to win. The only reason for me to root for Santos was because of Josh, Donna, Leo, and everyone involved in his campaign.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2012 17:43
|
|
|
DominoDancing posted:To those who were around at the time: When season 7 originally aired, how big was the part of the audience that wanted Vinick to win? If I remember the polls NBC was running, it was actually more or less even. In fact, the original plan was for Vinick to win but then John Spencer died and the producers thought that losing Leo AND the election would have been like kicking Stantos in the teeth while he was down, so they rewrote it
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2012 17:57
|
|
|
McNally posted:If I remember the polls NBC was running, it was actually more or less even. In fact, the original plan was for Vinick to win but then John Spencer died and the producers thought that losing Leo AND the election would have been like kicking Stantos in the teeth while he was down, so they rewrote it There's contradicting statements on this. Some of the folks on the show say it was changed, other that Santos was planned to win even before that, but the writers were conflicted about the election outcome. Slashrat fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Jun 8, 2012 |
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2012 18:23
|
|
|
Losing the election would've been a pretty bad kick either way. Josh would've imploded.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2012 18:27
|
|
|
az posted:Losing the election would've been a pretty bad kick either way. Josh would've imploded. He would have just rubbed more hair off his forehead, and then walked purposefully down a hall.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2012 18:28
|
|
|
I always heard that... Santos was supposed to win and something would happen to him leaving Leo as President. I have no idea where i heard this though now I think about it. No idea if I'm meant to spoiler that or not, but meh.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2012 18:33
|
|
|
Going back a few posts now, but Mandy was completely terrible in every regard and entirely lacking in redeemable qualities. However, it makes me wonder what the hell Sorkin/Wells/Schlamme thought would happen when they wrote a character who is completely terrible in every regard and entirely lacking in redeemable qualities. How could they have ever thought that the audience would connect with her? Gus from Breaking Bad is more endearing than that woman. Also I said it a few months ago, but it's where I stand - if a character is going to be the sassy dick who's all up in your face (90s! edgy! extreme!), god you might want to write the character to be correct once in a while. I can't remember a single instance when Mandy added to a discussion.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2012 19:04
|
|
|
MC Fruit Stripe posted:Going back a few posts now, but Mandy was completely terrible in every regard and entirely lacking in redeemable qualities. However, it makes me wonder what the hell Sorkin/Wells/Schlamme thought would happen when they wrote a character who is completely terrible in every regard and entirely lacking in redeemable qualities. How could they have ever thought that the audience would connect with her? Gus from Breaking Bad is more endearing than that woman. Her whole character trait was 'sassy 90s chick' who just always seemed to win over Josh. It also highlights the worst of Sorkin, in which we're supposed to just accept a character is something because other characters say they are. She, for some reason, has Josh and Sam scared of her for seemingly no reason. There is a moment where I liked her and it's early in the season. It's just her and Josh talking in his office. She drops the sass and they just have a conversation and surprise surprise she's absolutely fine, but then she reverts to type almost straight away. Nothing at all against Moria Kelly, it's really not her fault. Meryl Streep could be playing Mandy and she'd still be a terrible character.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2012 20:25
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 4, 2024 21:28 |
|
|
The only time I liked her was the panda conversation with Toby.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2012 20:39
|
|
