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Mr. Mambold
Feb 13, 2011

Aha. Nice post.



reflir posted:

It's in the SAclopedia

I like your stories but I'm still not sure how you can get hustled when you spend so much time hustling others. Any other times you got hustled?

It's not a exact science, there's always uncertainty because there's a range of quality level of play for every player.
Add in a luck factor, confidence, alot of other factors, plus the ability to get in a zone occasionally, the ability to hide one's skill....props to jase1 for describing it all including his own defeats. If it wasn't clear, he's in it for the rush, but he's okay with the money. So it's predatory, sort of law of the jungle thing.

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jase1
Aug 11, 2004

Flankensttein: A name given to a FPS gamer who constantly flanks to get kills.

"So I was playing COD yesterday, and some flankenstein came up from behind and shot me."

reflir posted:

It's in the SAclopedia

I like your stories but I'm still not sure how you can get hustled when you spend so much time hustling others. Any other times you got hustled?

Thanks for explaining Hakan I have been apart of the forums for awhile but I don't post very much so I don't get a lot of references.

There will always be someone better than you at anything you do and that goes for hustling. Getting hustled happens it's apart of the lifestyle I am in. There are any number of factors that can contribute to it alcohol or drugs, thinking with your dick see story about me getting hustled by a beautiful woman earlier in the thread, my ego is a big one too. Sometimes I just refuse to believe I am getting hustled until it's to late and I am handing over my money.


There use to be this pool hall called the diamond mine that I went to all the time in my area. I must have hustled 100's of people there because I was still young and not a lot of people knew who I was. I was going through my stupid Slim Shady phase and I bleached my hair so that helped with not being recognized too. One night I was there hanging around and a couple of money games where still being played so I stuck around to watch. This guy was a road player and really good one too he was cleaning up taking a lot of money from people. Sometimes if a road player is in town and I don't play them I like to stick around and try and catch the pissed of losers looking to get some money back after getting there rear end handed to them by a better player. I do that sometimes if I lose some money I go looking for weaker players to try and get my money back.

So this guy basically steps up the road player and loses a quick 1k like nothing and is pretty pissed about it. He looked really familiar and I just chalked ut up to him being a local guy who I had seen gambling before. He gets the table next to me and is bitching and complaining about losing so I needle him a little bit to get under his skin. I tell him I didn't think the road player was all that good (even though at the time he would have cleaned me out because he really was a great road player) and the guy is kind of getting a little bit more animated and pissed off. He tells me why don't you shoot him then and luckily the line to play the guy was 4 or 5 players deep and I told him that I am looking to make money right now I don't want to wait around. So he says then why don't you and me shoot. I agree I wasn't too scared I watched him shoot the road player and he was not a very good shot at all.

So we decide to play for $100 a game. I lose the first 2 on purpose to him and the guy starts getting some confidence. I win the 3rd one but lose the 4th one to be down $200. I lose one more time and the guy starts poo poo talking me a little bit. I remember somehow the conversation turned to how he was going to take all my money then gently caress my girlfriend in front of me and I lost my cool and told him lets just gamble for it all. Whatever you have in your pockets and whatever I have in my pockets lust just bet it. He says he has 1k and decide to play a race to 3 but only if he can break. I agree and we put the money on the racks. I rack the balls up sit down and before I can even realize whats happening he destroys me 3-0 and included in the asswiping is a lot more talk about my girlfriend.

I am seething with rage and tell him lets do it for 1k again race to 3 and I lose 3-0 again and i am out of money, pissed off and really embarrassed because I lost. I remember sitting there while the guy was packing his stick and just thinking about why I got so emotional over him ragging on my girlfriend who wasn't even there. I decide to go get some breakfast clear my head and move on. I meet a buddy of mine at Denny's across the street just to bullshit and eat some breakfast and get my mind of this awful lose. We sit down and I order a coffee and I hear 2 guys talking about shooting pool so my ears perk up. It's on the other side of the dining room that is blocked by this frosted glass so I can't see who is talking but I can hear every word.

This guy starts talking about this idiot kid who tried to hustle him and he cleaned him out and really pissed him off. They are laughing and joking about all the money they made of these idiots and I couldn't help it I had to find out who it was. I walk around the corner and there is the road player eating breakfast with the guy who cleaned me out. They were together all along and them playing each other was just a hustle to get other people to gamble and I totally fell for it. As I am typing this I am getting the same feeling I had that night it's just an awful feeling in my gut because that one really sucked.

The Jax
May 15, 2004
^My mind is blown... I thought meta poo poo like this (and other things you've described) only happened in movies!

Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.
The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Ask / Tell > Who hustles the Hustlers?

Tony Montana
Aug 6, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
fucken hell man, you just keep coming out with these amazing stories, don't you?

a computer
Feb 22, 2008
How long does a game typically last? You always say stuff like "I lost the first two on purpose", so they must be over pretty quick.

Cast_No_Shadow
Jun 8, 2010

The Republic of Luna Equestria is a huge, socially progressive nation, notable for its punitive income tax rates. Its compassionate, cynical population of 714m are ruled with an iron fist by the dictatorship government, which ensures that no-one outside the party gets too rich.

a computer posted:

How long does a game typically last? You always say stuff like "I lost the first two on purpose", so they must be over pretty quick.

A game involving 2 good players probably lasts on average 5 minutes, 10 tops?

If someone breaks and runs out and is a quick player in general you can probably squeeze that down to 2 or 3 minutes, although I'd think that's a lot rarer.

DrPain
Apr 29, 2004

Purrfectly priceless
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Have you ever lost fair and square, or is the hustle just a part of pool culture?

I imagine that it would make for a less interesting story, but is there such a thing as friendly competition?

jase1
Aug 11, 2004

Flankensttein: A name given to a FPS gamer who constantly flanks to get kills.

"So I was playing COD yesterday, and some flankenstein came up from behind and shot me."

Centripetal Horse posted:

Is it the one in the old Higbee building, down at Tower City? I may have to take a trip back for some visiting and to check out the games before all the novelty wears off and the games slow down.

It's amazing, I left Cleveland just over a year ago to move back to Vegas, and now I'm thinking of flying from Vegas to Cleveland for gambling.

Yeah it is in the old Higbee building. That is phase 1 they are building a stand alone one that will open sometime in 2014 with a hotel and more things to do. I am really impressed its worth it to just check it out at least once.


Cheif Justice Dogg posted:

First of all, I'd like to say thanks for the interesting thread, and for the stories that you have posted so far. This thread has inspired me to play pool more and take advantage of the table I have at my house. It's too much fun, haha.

Second, I have a few questions:

Do you have any tips on breaking in 8 ball, or any videos that you would recommend? Whenever I break, most of the balls stay on the lower half of the table with a horrible spread, and most of the time I can't get the cue ball into the middle of the table. I place the cue ball right on the second diamond, and straight across from the second ball in the rack, and I try to hit the second ball as well.

I also have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to side english. I try to use it for cue ball placement for my next shot, but most of the time I hit the object ball too far on the side and it doesn't go in. My guess is that I'm hitting the cue ball too hard, but I have no clue, haha. I also don't think I'm good enough to try to add it to my game, because if I recall correctly, you didn't use any english until you had played for about a year or so.

Thanks for your time!

For breaking the 8 ball it just depends on what you want to accomplish. If you want to learn the 8 on the break shot this video will help you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB705q8EwBg

If you just want tips on breaking this will help you a little bit just remember it's not about how hard you can hit it that's a stupid myth. Just focusing on breaking with a firm stroke and the balls will spread evenly. If you hit it too hard the cue ball has a tendency to bounce around the table or even off the table and thats not a very wise thing to do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZaaHB7DoPI


English is really something that will get in you trouble if you haven't even mastered a straight stroke. The best advice I can give to a newer player is practicing making shots, don't worry about english at all just hit the ball dead center every time. Then once you can make any ball on the table regardless of where the cue ball goes then you can start to learn english. Sure a lot of your shots you might scratch or put yourself in bad positions but you need to learn how to have an even straight stroke so your contact with the ball is the same every time. Take an empty plastic coke bottle lay it on your pool table with the opening facing you and practice a nice even stroke with the tip of your pool stick going into the coke bottle and touching the back of it. You don't want your pool stick to touch the sides of the opening of the bottle you want to go straight in and straight out. This will help you keep the same even stroke. Hope that helps.

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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Is a big ego practically a requirement for somebody to become a gambler? You say you've got one, you say hustling often depends on needling the other guy's ego.

jase1
Aug 11, 2004

Flankensttein: A name given to a FPS gamer who constantly flanks to get kills.

"So I was playing COD yesterday, and some flankenstein came up from behind and shot me."

a computer posted:

How long does a game typically last? You always say stuff like "I lost the first two on purpose", so they must be over pretty quick.

The time can vary if it is 2 experienced pool shooters the game will be really short unless they get into a safety battle. Most of my games will last about 10-15 minutes depending on whats going on. If I break and run that game is about 5-10 depending on how hard or easy the shots are. If you get a couple of gamblers who are afraid of making a mistake it can be a safety battle early on and I have seen games go as long as 20-40 minutes.

I watched my Uncle frank shoot a guy and the match took over an hour. They were just pushing the balls into certain positions so one of them could make a run. They were both so good at safeties that they just canceled each other out. Eventually the other guy got frustrated and made a mistake and my uncle won. Sometimes I have been in matches where we both play the same safety over and over again until one of us screws it up.

If I am hustling someone the matches usually take anywhere from 20-30 at first because I shooting slow and missing a lot of shots.


DrPain posted:

Have you ever lost fair and square, or is the hustle just a part of pool culture?

I imagine that it would make for a less interesting story, but is there such a thing as friendly competition?

There are a lot of people that I play for small money like $20 a game and we are both evenly matched that usually no one gets the better of the other one. Sometimes I lose to them and sometimes they lose to me especially other hustlers in the area, we usually get together shoot pool and swap stories about where to get good action or who to play and things like that. I would say there are about 25 people or more around here in the Cleveland area that I would lose to straight up almost every time. I am not even close to the best pool player around so if I were to play those guys I would lose fair and square.

Animal-Mother posted:

Is a big ego practically a requirement for somebody to become a gambler? You say you've got one, you say hustling often depends on needling the other guy's ego.

I know a lot of gamblers who don't have big egos or at least if they do they hide it really well. I don't think it's a requirement but I think it helps a lot. Everyone has an ego or soft spot where I can needle and get the person off their game.

Just last weekend I was at the Casino playing cards and this guy came to the table with about a grand. He was a tough guy always talking poo poo, trying to hitting on the cocktail waitress, drunk off his rear end, slowing up the game it was just very annoying. For 2 hours I tried everything, from talking about his stupid hat, to making fun of the way he played cards to yelling at him to hurry up to act or I was going to call the floor. He had this little card protector that was a pewter dragon statue and I just started talking about how dumb it was to have a card protector and things like that. He gets insanely pissed and telling me to shut my mouth and I end up getting involved with a hand with him a little later. I flop the nut flush and he raises I push all in and while he is thinking I tell him he better hold onto that stupid statue because after this hand that will be all he has left. He calls my all in with top pair and I take everything. I finally found his weak spot and it was a stupid card protector which he was willing to lose all his money over.

IzzyFnStradlin
Jun 19, 2004
How many physical altercations do you have in a typical week/month/year? I'd imagine with money and pride on the line, combined with poo poo-talking, things get physical pretty regularly.

jase1
Aug 11, 2004

Flankensttein: A name given to a FPS gamer who constantly flanks to get kills.

"So I was playing COD yesterday, and some flankenstein came up from behind and shot me."

IzzyFnStradlin posted:

How many physical altercations do you have in a typical week/month/year? I'd imagine with money and pride on the line, combined with poo poo-talking, things get physical pretty regularly.

It doesn't happen on the regular keep in my mind I am cherry picking the most exciting stories from about 15 years of my life. It can and does happen though if I feel like someone is being a dick or I don't like them for whatever reason I tend to push their buttons more. I don't mind an altercation it's fun and gets the blood pumping and sometimes people are really funny when they are seething with rage. I know the dangers and I know that one day I could piss of the wrong guy but I am willing to take that risk.

Format C
Jul 26, 2007
Has anybody lost and taken their cash back off the light or just refused to pay up? Have you ever bet $100 but some dude tries to put up $80 and hope you don't notice? I guess I'm looking for stories of people who lose and try to get out of paying up, is this common?

Centripetal Horse
Nov 22, 2009

Fuck money, get GBS

This could have bought you a half a tank of gas, lmfao -
Love, gromdul

jase1 posted:

Yeah it is in the old Higbee building. That is phase 1 they are building a stand alone one that will open sometime in 2014 with a hotel and more things to do. I am really impressed its worth it to just check it out at least once.

Yeah, I am going to have to check that out. My very first apartment was at 21st and Prospect. I wish they'd have had poker, then.

Animal-Mother posted:

Is a big ego practically a requirement for somebody to become a gambler? You say you've got one, you say hustling often depends on needling the other guy's ego.

With only a few exceptions, all of the big winning gamblers (poker and pool, specifically) I know have big egos. The best of them are able to put their egos aside while playing.

Without any exceptions, the worst fish and suckers I've ever known had huge egos and simply could not set them aside.

totalnewbie
Nov 13, 2005

I was born and raised in China, lived in Japan, and now hold a US passport.

I am wrong in every way, all the damn time.

Ask me about my tattoos.
I wonder how many poker (and/or pool) players are good enough at acting to fool a majority of other players (and without fooling themselves in the process) into thinking they have big egos (and maybe they do) but still play smart.

Cast_No_Shadow
Jun 8, 2010

The Republic of Luna Equestria is a huge, socially progressive nation, notable for its punitive income tax rates. Its compassionate, cynical population of 714m are ruled with an iron fist by the dictatorship government, which ensures that no-one outside the party gets too rich.

totalnewbie posted:

I wonder how many poker (and/or pool) players are good enough at acting to fool a majority of other players (and without fooling themselves in the process) into thinking they have big egos (and maybe they do) but still play smart.

I'm pretty sure mind games are a large part of most sports at the highest levels. Especially in games where it is less about physical prowess and more about mental hijinks and out thinking your opponent. Double, triple, quadruple bluffs, letting your competitor think they have the upper hand, getting under their skin. I'm sure its all apart of a top level players arsenal.

Ash Lael
Jan 2, 2008

by Fistgrrl
Have you ever considered paying a good looking girl to go along to bars with you and goad guys into playing you?

Corridor
Oct 19, 2006

Ash Lael posted:

Have you ever considered paying a good looking girl to go along to bars with you and goad guys into playing you?

His girlfriend seems to do this a fair bit.

jase1
Aug 11, 2004

Flankensttein: A name given to a FPS gamer who constantly flanks to get kills.

"So I was playing COD yesterday, and some flankenstein came up from behind and shot me."

Format C posted:

Has anybody lost and taken their cash back off the light or just refused to pay up? Have you ever bet $100 but some dude tries to put up $80 and hope you don't notice? I guess I'm looking for stories of people who lose and try to get out of paying up, is this common?

I have never had a serious issue with people refusing to pay if they don't pay they are usually blackballed in the area or I eventually collect from them in payments with vig. I only let people owe me if I really know them and can trust them. My grandfather on the other hand had a lot of stories about guys not paying especially when road players come into town.

I have talked about my grandfather before and I wish he would have written a book he is a piece of poo poo but an interesting piece of poo poo. He use to hang at this old pool hall and would always hustle guys for money, he would always play the road players and everyone knew him. To this day when I see some of the older pool players in the area they still ask about him or tell me stories about him he is pretty well known in this area among pool players. So a middle age guy comes into the pool hall looking for action and my grandfather is there with his buddies.

They discuss some terms and to be honest I don't even know the full terms of the games they played. I know my grandfather beat him pretty bad and the guy owed close to 1k. He payed my grandfather a couple hundred after stalling for a few and then realizing he was about to get roughed up by my grandfather and his friends if he didn't pay up and said he had to go to his car to get the rest. The guy goes outside with my grandfather and posse right behind him. He gets in his car and starts it up and tries to put it in gear to take off only to have one of my the posse grab a rock smash the dudes window and pull him out of the car. Supposedly in the scuffle they broke his arm (my uncle Frank said they did it on purpose but my grandfather says differently so I am not sure who to believe on that one), take his car keys, all the money in his pockets which was around $50, his pool stick and his shoes. They tell him he has 2 days to come up with the money and he can get all his stuff back. He shows up 3 hours later with the rest of the money and they give him his belongings back and off he goes. When I hear stories like that it's one of the reasons I always try to make sure to get money up front. I would rather not have a guy owe me and if he doesn't have the money I usually don't play him.

Cast_No_Shadow posted:

I'm pretty sure mind games are a large part of most sports at the highest levels. Especially in games where it is less about physical prowess and more about mental hijinks and out thinking your opponent. Double, triple, quadruple bluffs, letting your competitor think they have the upper hand, getting under their skin. I'm sure its all apart of a top level players arsenal.

Mind games are huge part of what I do. There is a guy I play poker with who is The Who's #1 fan and when I first met him I spent 3 hours talking about how they were the most overrated band in music and the guy just spewed all his money because he was so pissed at me. Unfortunately he gave it to someone else and not me but it was pretty fun loving with the guy. With some of the guys that I have gambled with for years and years it's all one big meta game like the guy from princess bride who says inconceivable. With my personality I can seriously get anyone pissed at me with enough time even people who swear they never lose their cool. I have had people just leave poker games because I have frustrated them to no end with my needling and trash talk.


Ash Lael posted:

Have you ever considered paying a good looking girl to go along to bars with you and goad guys into playing you?

Basically what Corridor said. My girlfriend isn't always with me but when she is she loves being apart of the hustle. She is learning a lot more too by watching me and by shooting pool. When we started dating 5 years ago she knew nothing about pool and now she is a pretty decent shot and becoming quite the hustler. Last year she almost hustled my Uncle Frank in basketball. He couldn't believe she could make at least 40 out of 100 free throws. She played basketball in high school and still plays a lot today and shoots free throws everyday at our house just out of habit. He was ready to bet her 100 she couldn't do it until his daughter ratted her out and saved him from losing.

I am actually working on a hustle with a beautiful girl right now. There is a guy I know who claims to be the best dart player around here and he has a bet for 1k with a rich guy. They will play a hundred games of darts and the rich guy only has to win 1 game out of the 100 games. I met a lady at bar not to long ago who was a professional dart player so we are going to set him up to lose. The guy brags a lot and with good reason he is a big time gambler but I think we can take some money of him with the dart bet. What will probably happen is she will show up with me and my girlfriend and play the ditzy girl part and then we can hustle him from there. I am hoping his ego will get the best of him when he loses to a girl.

ObesePriest
Nov 4, 2008
I've been following this thread for awhile and its quite awesome. It makes me really want to play pool but I know its a pointless endeavor for me.

Anyway, I'm curious if you've ever been "hustled" by an incredibly bad player? As in they talk a big game and they are pretty terrible but you lose to them on purpose. But they just decide to call it quits purposely once you up the ante?

Also, I can't wait to find out what happens to the dart player. This thread is one of the reasons why my days at work are more manageable.

IzzyFnStradlin
Jun 19, 2004
How accurate are you with placing the cue ball? How accurate are the pros? Like, when skilled players pick a spot for it to end up, are we talking a matter of inches? centimeters? Just kind of like a general area?

jase1
Aug 11, 2004

Flankensttein: A name given to a FPS gamer who constantly flanks to get kills.

"So I was playing COD yesterday, and some flankenstein came up from behind and shot me."

ObesePriest posted:

I've been following this thread for awhile and its quite awesome. It makes me really want to play pool but I know its a pointless endeavor for me.

Anyway, I'm curious if you've ever been "hustled" by an incredibly bad player? As in they talk a big game and they are pretty terrible but you lose to them on purpose. But they just decide to call it quits purposely once you up the ante?

Also, I can't wait to find out what happens to the dart player. This thread is one of the reasons why my days at work are more manageable.

It happens all the time I think I see a sucker and I lose a few games to him and he decides he has had enough. I just chalk it up as a loss and move on, it's part of the danger of letting a guy win a on purpose. Usually those are small bets so I don't mind losing a small amount like that. I don't think it's them hustling me some guys are just happy to have $50 or $60 bucks in there pocket.

IzzyFnStradlin posted:

How accurate are you with placing the cue ball? How accurate are the pros? Like, when skilled players pick a spot for it to end up, are we talking a matter of inches? centimeters? Just kind of like a general area?

I would say most of the time for me it's within a few inches. There are some things that interfere with that though, such as contact with another ball, or the speed of the table or if it's a dead rail. I aim for a general area and I am happy with getting to that area. I can always adjust my shot with english or stroke of the cue so placing the cue ball exactly where I want it is actually a broader area. Placement of the cue ball is the most important thing in winning. If you can put the cue ball anywhere you want on the table after you make a shot you will be almost unstoppable.

ObesePriest
Nov 4, 2008

jase1 posted:

It happens all the time I think I see a sucker and I lose a few games to him and he decides he has had enough. I just chalk it up as a loss and move on, it's part of the danger of letting a guy win a on purpose. Usually those are small bets so I don't mind losing a small amount like that. I don't think it's them hustling me some guys are just happy to have $50 or $60 bucks in there pocket.


Yeah, I knew that happens to you from your previous stories but I was just curious if you knew if some people do it to straight up "hustle" other hustlers. I'd be happy with 50 or 60 dollars in my pocket :)

Also just a small question, but do you ever run town on those pool carnival games? Like sink 3 balls with 2 shots or something and you win this giant rear end stuffed animal?

jase1
Aug 11, 2004

Flankensttein: A name given to a FPS gamer who constantly flanks to get kills.

"So I was playing COD yesterday, and some flankenstein came up from behind and shot me."

ObesePriest posted:

Yeah, I knew that happens to you from your previous stories but I was just curious if you knew if some people do it to straight up "hustle" other hustlers. I'd be happy with 50 or 60 dollars in my pocket :)

Also just a small question, but do you ever run town on those pool carnival games? Like sink 3 balls with 2 shots or something and you win this giant rear end stuffed animal?

You know it is actually a pretty smart idea to try and hustle someone that way, I have never caught anyone doing it intentionally but I bet somewhere someone has done it before.


When I was 19 or 20 they use to have those 9 ball tables where you had to sink them in order to win a big stuffed animal. One year my Uncle Frank played it so much for his daughter that the guy told him he couldn't play anymore. I am pretty sure they use to have a sign that said something like no pros or something to the effect that they can ask you to not play anymore at anytime. I never messed with it because I didn't go to those type of fairs a lot. I might try to find one now it would be fun to just show up and run the table. I wonder if they do anything to give them an edge or if it's a regulation table?

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



jase1 posted:

I might try to find one now it would be fun to just show up and run the table. I wonder if they do anything to give them an edge or if it's a regulation table?

If it's like the rest of the games, the equipment is definitely gaffed to make it tough to win anything.

EDIT to fix formatting.

Midjack fucked around with this message at 06:31 on Jun 8, 2012

Same Great Paste
Jan 14, 2006




Midjack posted:

If it's like the rest of the games, the equipment is definitely gaffed to make it tough to win anything.

Unless my memory is playing tricks, jase1 prefers janky tables with dead rails and worn felt if possible since he's better at evaluating and compensating for same than most.

It'd sure be fun to watch him try a carnie game of pool. Assuming it wasn't rigged to be IMPOSSIBLE that is.

DarkHorse
Dec 13, 2006

Nap Ghost
Yeah, jase1 likes that but he gets a chance to evaluate the table before hand, bouncing a cue ball off the rails to check for dead spots and the speed of the table. I doubt a carnie would let him do that, and even then jase1's advantage is when he's playing against another player who can't compensate as well, not a static table with a particular trick shot.

KelJu
Jul 18, 2004
IT WAS A MISCLICK
I wanted to ask this question weeks ago, but I restrained myself. The issue with my question is that it seems like an attack on the OP, but I swear it isn't. Honestly, I think my question is half retarded, but I'm going to throw it out there anyway.


Does anyone else ever notice that pool players have an unidentifiable quality to them that is unique to pool players? I have noticed this for years. I can almost always spot a pool player walking into a bar just by their body language and the look on their face.

I can't explain it. Some of my friends say they know what I'm talking about, and others say I'm seeing something that isn't there. Also, If I turn out to be right, and they are shooting pool later, I have an almost uncontrollable urge to walk over to them, grab their pool stick and beat them over the head with it. It is freaking weird, I know it is my issue and problem, and it has nothing to do with some guy who likes to play pool, but just was hoping and praying that there was a rational explanation.

KelJu fucked around with this message at 06:26 on Jun 8, 2012

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Same Great Paste posted:

Unless my memory is playing tricks, jase1 prefers janky tables with dead rails and worn felt if possible since he's better at evaluating and compensating for same than most.

It'd sure be fun to watch him try a carnie game of pool. Assuming it wasn't rigged to be IMPOSSIBLE that is.

Unless the guy running the game makes the shot in front of you before giving you a try at it, it is probably impossible. If he does make the shot, then yeah, there's a secret there but it may take some extensive survey work to determine what the trick is.

AgentCow007
May 20, 2004
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KelJu posted:

I wanted to ask this question weeks ago, but I restrained myself. The issue with my question is that it seems like an attack on the OP, but I swear it isn't. Honestly, I think my question is half retarded, but I'm going to throw it out there anyway.


Does anyone else ever notice that pool players have an unidentifiable quality to them that is unique to pool players? I have noticed this for years. I can almost always spot a pool player walking into a bar just by their body language and the look on their face.

I can't explain it. Some of my friends say they know what I'm talking about, and others say I'm seeing something that isn't there. Also, If I turn out to be right, and they are shooting pool later, I have an almost uncontrollable urge to walk over to them, grab their pool stick and beat them over the head with it. It is freaking weird, I know it is my issue and problem, and it has nothing to do with some guy who likes to play pool, but just was hoping and praying that there was a rational explanation.

I've heard this exact sentiment about drug addicts too. Childhood exposure to violence and neglect 'breaks' your ability to perceive minor levels of threat, so most "threats" feel like a life-or-death situation regardless of seriousness. Your body produces excessive dopamine to soothe yourself after getting worked up over all these "major" threats, but eventually it can't keep up and people typically turn to substance abuse or possibly gambling addictions to compensate.

This is why guys will get into physical altercations if someone makes fun of them in front of women. They just can't see anything as minor, or a non-threat. I still feel like someone's holding a gun to my head when I get a jury summons, so I'm not exempt from this.

Your impluse to hit them is probably related that whole "cycle of violence/abuse" where people are re-victimized (think battered women)... these people are setting off your victim-radar, which is probably a good reason to see a mental health specialist for your own benefit. Think of it like an emotional chiropractor.

AgentCow007 fucked around with this message at 08:18 on Jun 8, 2012

KelJu
Jul 18, 2004
IT WAS A MISCLICK

AgentCow007 posted:

I've heard this exact sentiment about drug addicts too and I have a theory. Childhood exposure to violence and neglect 'breaks' your ability to perceive threats, so most 'threats' feel like a life-or-death situation regardless of seriousness. Your body produces excessive dopamine to soothe yourself after getting worked up over said threats, but eventually it can't keep up and people typically turn to substance abuse (or possibly gambling?) to compensate. Your impluse to hit them is probably related to that whole "re-occuring victim" theories where people get sucked into a cycle of abuse, like wives of alcoholics.

Hey, I'm willing to consider any possibilities. If I see somebody take a pool stick out of a case and start screwing it together I have a deep seated desire to beat them unconscious with that pool stick of theirs.

Lol, it really isn't funny, but sort of is funny to me. Just reading this thread title causes me psychopathic hatred, but the OP has never wronged me in any way.

KelJu fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Jun 8, 2012

AgentCow007
May 20, 2004
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KelJu posted:

Hey, I'm willing to consider any possibilities. If I see somebody take a pool stick out of a case and start screwing it together I have a deep seated desire to beat them unconscious with that pool stick of theirs.

Lol, it really isn't funny, but sort of is funny to me. Just reading this thread title causes me psychopathic hatred, but the OP has never wronged me in any way.

You get angry/emotional about people that you don't even interact with socially? You really need to see a doctor.

Beach Bum
Jan 13, 2010
This would be the stupidest derail ever can we PLEASE not go there.

I've been playing a lot more pool at the local bar as of late, and I want to thank you for all your tips and the youtube videos you posted, because I have been cleaning my family out on $10 bets whenever we go up there :D

manyak
Jan 26, 2006

KelJu posted:

Hey, I'm willing to consider any possibilities. If I see somebody take a pool stick out of a case and start screwing it together I have a deep seated desire to beat them unconscious with that pool stick of theirs.

Lol, it really isn't funny, but sort of is funny to me. Just reading this thread title causes me psychopathic hatred, but the OP has never wronged me in any way.

You are a fuckin weirdo but the general sentiment isnt too far off, most pool players/poker players/any type of gambling addict have huge egos and awful personalities and live to get under other people's skin (which the OP is at least self-aware enough to realize he does). After spending some time around a gambling addict with a few drinks in him it isn't unusual to want to beat the poo poo out him in my experience. If you want to murder people with a stick or whatever just for walking into the bar the wrong way you are probably an idiot though

jase1
Aug 11, 2004

Flankensttein: A name given to a FPS gamer who constantly flanks to get kills.

"So I was playing COD yesterday, and some flankenstein came up from behind and shot me."

KelJu posted:

I wanted to ask this question weeks ago, but I restrained myself. The issue with my question is that it seems like an attack on the OP, but I swear it isn't. Honestly, I think my question is half retarded, but I'm going to throw it out there anyway.


Does anyone else ever notice that pool players have an unidentifiable quality to them that is unique to pool players? I have noticed this for years. I can almost always spot a pool player walking into a bar just by their body language and the look on their face.

I can't explain it. Some of my friends say they know what I'm talking about, and others say I'm seeing something that isn't there. Also, If I turn out to be right, and they are shooting pool later, I have an almost uncontrollable urge to walk over to them, grab their pool stick and beat them over the head with it. It is freaking weird, I know it is my issue and problem, and it has nothing to do with some guy who likes to play pool, but just was hoping and praying that there was a rational explanation.

I don't take this as an attack and I am sure they are a lot more people like this. It's more of the lifestyle thing then just pool players. When I was 24 I walked into every place like I owned it. I flashed money around, talked poo poo to people, needled people for no reason so I get the hatred. I don't do that know but I am still really cocky especially if someone is bragging about something I can't resist interjecting myself and making that person look like a fool or at least trying to. If I am with my girlfriend it's even worse or if that person is talking to women I have this urge to just shut him up and make him look like a douche. I don't condone my actions and every bit of poo poo that has gotten me in trouble I deserved it but all in all I am just a dick or rear end in a top hat or whatever people want to call me. I have had people from ages 14 all the way up to an 89 year old man challenge me to a fight in Vegas once about 5 years ago. It's in my blood and I don't know any other way to act.


Beach Bum posted:

This would be the stupidest derail ever can we PLEASE not go there.

I've been playing a lot more pool at the local bar as of late, and I want to thank you for all your tips and the youtube videos you posted, because I have been cleaning my family out on $10 bets whenever we go up there :D

That's awesome I am glad this thread helped the world could always use more people interested in pool.

KelJu
Jul 18, 2004
IT WAS A MISCLICK

jase1 posted:

I don't take this as an attack and I am sure they are a lot more people like this. It's more of the lifestyle thing then just pool players. When I was 24 I walked into every place like I owned it. I flashed money around, talked poo poo to people, needled people for no reason so I get the hatred. I don't do that know but I am still really cocky especially if someone is bragging about something I can't resist interjecting myself and making that person look like a fool or at least trying to. If I am with my girlfriend it's even worse or if that person is talking to women I have this urge to just shut him up and make him look like a douche. I don't condone my actions and every bit of poo poo that has gotten me in trouble I deserved it but all in all I am just a dick or rear end in a top hat or whatever people want to call me. I have had people from ages 14 all the way up to an 89 year old man challenge me to a fight in Vegas once about 5 years ago. It's in my blood and I don't know any other way to act.

You get it. Thank you. I knew that posting my question was going to offend the delicate sensibilities of countless whinny little bitches, but you completely understand what I am talking about. You are seem to be aware that you are broadcasting to everyone around you that you are looking for some form of competition.

This thread got me to thinking about unspoken queues. Unfortunately, there are pockets of areas all around the country where your body language also translates to: "I'm looking for a fight". I bet that a lot of your confrontations stem from that. I doubt they come over to you and start a fight right aware, but there has to be a lot of subconscious animosity going on which leader leads to altercations.

I wonder how much the hustling aspect plays into that. How many of you opponents lose their money trying to protect their ego only to lose their pride and their money and turn violent as a response?

KelJu fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Jun 8, 2012

manyak
Jan 26, 2006

KelJu posted:

You get it. Thank you. I knew that posting my question was going to offend the delicate sensibilities of countless whinny little bitches, but you completely understand what I am talking about. You are seem to be aware that you are broadcasting to everyone around you that you are looking for some form of competition.

This thread got me to thinking about unspoken queues. Unfortunately, there are pockets of areas all around the country where your body language also translates to: "I'm looking for a fight". I bet that a lot of your confrontations stem from that. I doubt they come over to you and start a fight right aware, but there has to be a lot of subconscious animosity going on which leader leads to altercations.

I wonder how much the hustling aspect plays into that. How many of you opponents lose their money trying to protect their ego only to lose their pride and their money and turn violent as a response?

Its not even a matter of "certain parts of the country", people everywhere in the entire world view an arrogant, trash-talking rear end in a top hat as an affront to their pride. Its absolutely the entire point of the hustle since it gets people to put their money up to save face. I liked that guys lovely pop-psychology analysis of how wanting to beat up someone acting like an rear end in a top hat is indicative of an abusive childhood and raised dopamine levels though hahahah

KelJu
Jul 18, 2004
IT WAS A MISCLICK

Chemtrail Clem posted:

Its not even a matter of "certain parts of the country", people everywhere in the entire world view an arrogant, trash-talking rear end in a top hat as an affront to their pride. Its absolutely the entire point of the hustle since it gets people to put their money up to save face. I liked that guys lovely pop-psychology analysis of how wanting to beat up someone acting like an rear end in a top hat is indicative of an abusive childhood and raised dopamine levels though hahahah

Yeah sure I agree with you, however there are varying degrees of danger depending on where a person hustles. My hometown was not friendly to strangers in the first place, but you could get your rear end kicked just for walking a certain way which makes me wonder whether the OP and other pool hustlers in here have developed a wide repertoire of skills to handle situations like that.

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Uncle Jam
Aug 20, 2005

Perfect

DarkHorse posted:

Yeah, jase1 likes that but he gets a chance to evaluate the table before hand, bouncing a cue ball off the rails to check for dead spots and the speed of the table. I doubt a carnie would let him do that, and even then jase1's advantage is when he's playing against another player who can't compensate as well, not a static table with a particular trick shot.

I once made a mini-putt hole with a guy for a town fair hosted by some organization. It had to be packed up so it was a pretty short hole on this raised wood. We were told to make it hard for someone to make it in.

The result was devilish. It looked flat but the ball would just break all over the loving place. It really doesn't take much slope to make a slow moving ball go all over the place. A normal pool table is at least slate or something, it won't be sloping in more than one direction really. A carney table made out of wood or sheet metal is completely different.

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