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Bruce Leroy posted:To his credit (which physically sickens me to say on his behalf), Tucker Carlson actually made this point on TV once to Ann Coulter who was coming out against gay marriage. He basically said, "If marriage is such a wonderful, civilizing institution, why wouldn't you want more people like gays to take part in it to make them better people and better couples?" Really? I thought Ann Coulter's (tepid) support of gays was one of her only redeeming qualities. Pretty sure she wasn't allowed to come to CPAC this year (or last?) because of her support of GOProud and gay marriage.
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Man...subsidized vacations for the poor? I want to know more. Something like subsidizing trips to domestic destinations in the off-season (not necessarily Alaska-in-January off-season) could benefit a lot of people.
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Soviet Commubot posted:Well, I've lived in France for two years now and I just ran into my first instance of The funny thing is the writer (assuming the original writer has a job) gets at least 5 weeks paid time off per year. Most Americans would kill for that - except, I suppose, for the half who would oppose it simply because it was mandated by the Government
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Sarion posted:Really? I thought Ann Coulter's (tepid) support of gays was one of her only redeeming qualities. Pretty sure she wasn't allowed to come to CPAC this year (or last?) because of her support of GOProud and gay marriage. It might have been earlier in her career. Maybe her position on gays "evolved" like Obama's. 
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Strudel Man posted:If that's the actual math behind the number, that'd genuinely be dishonest statistics, since the savings would have continued to accumulate beyond those four months if not halted. Anything with an upfront cost and extended savings will be revenue-negative if terminated early. How many times are people tested though? If they're tested every 6 months or whatever, then the costs will go up. It's not very likely that those that passed before are going to fail now.
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VideoTapir posted:Man...subsidized vacations for the poor? I want to know more. If you can read French here you go. The quotient familial is the result of some formula and not the family's gross income. It sounds pretty low but even without the APL my rent, utilities and food bills were only about 450 EUR/month. Right now my bills are only about 320 EUR per month. http://www.caf.fr/web/Web681.nsf/VueLien/BONSVACANCES?opendocument
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 Posted by a Facebook friend, with the comment "I don't know about you? But I find it disturbing!" Responding to let her know that last I checked, bibles weren't banned in school, and you'll get in trouble if you're reading anything personal when you should be doing schoolwork. Buuuuut she won't listen.
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King Dopplepopolos posted:It might have been earlier in her career. Maybe her position on gays "evolved" like Obama's. I think you mean her position was intelligently redesigned.  Sulphuric Sundae posted:
It's actually even more stupid than that; I read the Bible in public school as part of my school work! It was even the Creation story in Genesis! It was in my World History class in 10th grade; we read a bunch of Creation myths from around the Ancient world. Not that they will care. The fact that kids can read the Bible in school, read parts of the Bible as school work, learn about Christianity, and can even pray any time they feel like it does not matter. The narrative is that schools are godless hell-holes that hate Christianity and want it to be destroyed; anything less than that must be false. Also, prisons aren't actually Government Institutions. They're privately run institutions that get contracts from the Government which pays them per prisoner. There's an entire "prison industry" in the United States. Since they get paid per prisoner, its no surprise that these companies lobby for stricter laws with longer prison sentences, and have even been known to bribe judges to get more prisoners sent their way. This may vary from State to State though.
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King Dopplepopolos posted:It might have been earlier in her career. Maybe her position on gays "evolved" like Obama's. No, she only switched tones when GoProud (literally the worst gays) invited her to their big gay con where she mocked them for being gay and said gay marriage isn't a civil right and they paid and defended her proudly.
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Jun 15, 2012 16:19
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Didn't she also call John Edwards a human being?
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"Canard Veinard" is pretty cool sounding, like some sort of super-fancy insult.
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Finally saw a liberal image posted on facebook, and it's relevant to the earlier discussion...
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Taerkar posted:How many times are people tested though? If they're tested every 6 months or whatever, then the costs will go up. It's not very likely that those that passed before are going to fail now.
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Sarion posted:Finally saw a liberal image posted on facebook, and it's relevant to the earlier discussion... I saw that on a bumper sticker but with "Foreign Born" instead of "Brown Skinned" which I think is better.
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Bruce Leroy posted:23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” 2 problems: 1. Camels can get on their knees, but then they can't actually move forward. Especially if they're carrying something. 2. There was never a tiny, poorly-built gate called "the Eye of the Needle" in the city wall at Jerusalem.
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The Macaroni posted:Oh, there's hilarity with that too. A lot of American Christians claim that "the Eye of the Needle" is actually a reference to an extremely narrow and low gate to the city of Jerusalem. As legend had it, the only way a camel laden with goods and riches could pass through the eye of the needle was to get on its knees. So you see, it's fine to be rich and enter the Kingdom of God as long as you're penitent! I've heard that according to Israeli tour guides, the only people who ask them where the Eye of the Needle is (as if it were an actual place and not just a metaphor) are American evangelical Christians. Colour me surprised. Prosperity Gospel proponents remind me of alcoholics that swear up and down that they actually drive better when they're drunk.
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The Macaroni posted:Oh, there's hilarity with that too. A lot of American Christians claim that "the Eye of the Needle" is actually a reference to an extremely narrow and low gate to the city of Jerusalem. As legend had it, the only way a camel laden with goods and riches could pass through the eye of the needle was to get on its knees. So you see, it's fine to be rich and enter the Kingdom of God as long as you're penitent! It's also absurd since the guy was totally willing to be penitent and follow Jesus he just didn't want to give up all his stuff so even their bad explanation fails the parable.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Was prosperity theology an invention of American Evangelicalism? Not really. The notion started with Weber.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Was prosperity theology an invention of American Evangelicalism? No, it's been a thing forever, the puritans were huge on it.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Was prosperity theology an invention of American Evangelicalism? No. It seems to have sprung from the "Healing Revival" movement in the 1950s. They were separate from the Evangelical Revivals that are better known from that time period. But I suspect the two theologies, if you can even call Prosperity Gospel a theology (its a loving scam), have some level of cross-pollination. They've become hugely popular and have become a big part of televangelism. And most of the ones I see on TV certainly seem to support the same things that Evangelicals do, but with more focus on "send me money, god will send you cash in the mail"; rather than "pray the gay away". But many of the arguments that are used to support the Prosperity Gospel (like the BS about the Camel and the eye of the needle) are useful to Conservatives who need a way to justify the fact that their political beliefs are the complete opposite of what Jesus told them to do. One of the responses to that image I posted from Facebook was something to effect of "But Jesus' socialism was all about choice. Choosing to give to the poor and help the sick." You know, because God is all about his commandments and teachings being optional. On another note; have I mentioned lately how much I love the NRA? 
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The Macaroni posted:Oh, there's hilarity with that too. A lot of American Christians claim that "the Eye of the Needle" is actually a reference to an extremely narrow and low gate to the city of Jerusalem. As legend had it, the only way a camel laden with goods and riches could pass through the eye of the needle was to get on its knees. So you see, it's fine to be rich and enter the Kingdom of God as long as you're penitent! The way I always heard it was that "camel" was a mistranslation of "rope." This explanation makes more sense - the correctly translated phrase means the same thing but is less of a non-sequiteur.
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Dr Snofeld posted:The way I always heard it was that "camel" was a mistranslation of "rope." This explanation makes more sense - the correctly translated phrase means the same thing but is less of a non-sequiteur. In greek kamilos (καμιλοσ) means rope (or the better cognate 'cable'), and kamelos (καμηλοσ) means camel.
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Sarion posted:On another note; have I mentioned lately how much I love the NRA? I know the NRA is full steam ahead in their marketing efforts to get members to mash the donate button as many times as possible before Obama leaves office, but has the Obama administration enacted any legitimate anti-gun anything? The only thing I can remember is some non-issue about M1 Garand's not being allowed back into the U.S. from Korea, and some rider attached to a bill that allowed concealed carry in national forests (presumably a good thing for 2nd amendment rights). Also, isn't a lot of that stuff on the wallet card poo poo he supported as a senator, and is pretty much completely toxic politically speaking as POTUS? Edit: Hey look, I answered my own question: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/jun/15/nra-right-obama-coming-our-guns/ tek79 fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Jun 15, 2012 |
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Sarion posted:On another note; have I mentioned lately how much I love the NRA? 99% of gun stores are near schools and parks and poo poo? How would someone think that's a good thing?
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Glitterbomber posted:99% of gun stores are near schools and parks and poo poo? How would someone think that's a good thing? Around here (and I can almost see NRA HQ as I type this if I look out the window), a "gun store" is anything from a shady pawn shop, to Wal-mart, to an actual gun dealer who doesn't sell anything but gun stuff. If you designate enough parkland and build enough schools, it's easy for most of those places to fall near one, especially if the threshold is something like 250 yards.
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I was thinking about some of the "white people are second-class citizens!" whining from a few pages back, plus some of the "the gay minority dictating to the conservative majority is Just Like Aparthedi" moaning from Freep. It got me to pondering some sarcastic shows of support, and I was thinking maybe some of these might work in deliberately cheesy macros for Facebook, with some sort of title like When Will the White Americans Have Their Day??? and some patriotic imagery. If anyone likes making goofy macros and thinks some of this has potential, hit me up on PMs: quote:Did you know?
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Glitterbomber posted:99% of gun stores are near schools and parks and poo poo? How would someone think that's a good thing?
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Sarion posted:Really? I thought Ann Coulter's (tepid) support of gays was one of her only redeeming qualities. Pretty sure she wasn't allowed to come to CPAC this year (or last?) because of her support of GOProud and gay marriage. Nope, she's still against gay marriage and GOProud works with her anyways. Ann Coulter 04/06/2012 posted:"Most of us learn how a bill becomes law and what the supreme court does in grade school. Liberals are often trying to push this idea that judicial review means overturning any act of Congress. Or rather judicial activism. Judicial activism is anything when the Supreme Court doesn’t obey what the constitution says — like when they invent rights to gay marriage or rights to abortion or rights to go free if a specific Miranda warning wasn’t read to them. Normally you get the opposite from liberals, because whatever they can’t get through the process of democracy by having people vote on it, they get five justices on the Supreme Court to announce it’s a constitutional right. You only have judicial activism on the left, never from the conservative justices or they would be fantasizing a constitutional right to a flat tax, to bear nuclear arms." When they first got criticized by other gay advocacy groups for working with a bigot like Coulter, GOProud went into this whole big rant about how it's liberal gay activists who are the real bigots because liberals are insisting on "ideological purity" by only associating with gay marriage and gay rights advocates and demonize anyone who doesn't. This is pretty much the same as their criticism of the Log Cabin Republicans, which GOProud split from because the LCRs also insisted on prioritizing gay issues and calling out other conservatives on their anti-gay views and behaviors. GOProud also said some bullshit about how liberals are bigots because they demonize gay Republicans just like they do Black Republicans. I originally saw it on Right Wing Watch but I'm having trouble finding the original entry.
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Despite whatever anti-gay stiff may or may not be festering In his cesspool, Andrew Breitbart worked for GOProud for a while, before leaving when they revenge-outed a Rick Perry advisor. They did something so hateful and personally destructive that it offended Andrew loving Breitbart. Also, Ann Coulter wasn't showing a change of heart by joining GOProud. She was basically hired by GOProud to insult them to their faces at their own functions. GOProud is weird.
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^^^Andrew left to avoid flack because he was the first one people looked to when the news 'creepy rear end in a top hat invades privacy for political gain' hit, there are some dangling threads that he could have been fully aware of it when it happened too. He wasn't 'disgusted' with it, he bailed to avoid losing his one 'I'm not a bigot...' shield in 'I like the gays! Mostly! As long as they don't disagree with me!'A Fancy 400 lbs posted:What? How is not associating with people who oppose your main cause bad? Ideological purity can be taken too far, but when you go in the opposite direction to working with people who outright want to stop your main ideal what's the point? Because tolerate my intolerance, also tax breaks. Just to be clear, GOProud is currently headed by a straight woman, it's basically 99.9% wealthy white gays, and is basically everything that's disgusting in the gay advocacy fields in one neat package.
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Dr Christmas posted:Despite whatever anti-gay stiff may or may not be festering In his cesspool, Andrew Breitbart worked for GOProud for a while, before leaving when they revenge-outed a Rick Perry advisor. e: Or it was just totally cynical and shallow. There's always that.
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Sarion posted:
It does vary from state to state, but private prisons only hold about 10 percent of inmates. That is enough to create a lobby for harsher sentences, which benefits them even if they don't get all of it. (Also, increasing pubic prison populations increases their ability to manufacture demand for private ones.) Publicly-owned prisons can be partially privatized in various ways, though (prison industries and such).
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Sulphuric Sundae posted:
There's so much hosed up sex and violence in the bible that would get any other book banned from elementary schools in a second. But as you say, bibles aren't banned in school at all. Perhaps the little boy in the picture was crying because he actually did get to read the bible... Judges 19 posted:22 While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, “Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him. ”
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:What? How is not associating with people who oppose your main cause bad? Ideological purity can be taken too far, but when you go in the opposite direction to working with people who outright want to stop your main ideal what's the point? It's basically the reason GOProud exists at all. They were originally members of the Log Cabin Republicans, but they didn't like how the LCRs were so adamant about gay rights to the point of shunning mainstream right wing figures because they were homophobic bigots. GOProud is for gay rights just like the LCRs but they want so badly to become part of the GOP mainstream (e.g. sponsoring CPAC a couple of years ago, resulting in an even larger anti-gay backlash the year afterwords which prevented them from having any participation in future CPAC events) that they are willing to sideline gay rights issues to gain acceptance from the larger GOP community. So, where the LCRs refuse to associate with anti-gay Republicans even if they agree on all other issues, GOProud will gladly work with them even if it means betraying core issues of gay rights, which are the reasons gay advocacy groups like GOProud are supposed to exist in the first place. GOProud justifies this as some kind of strategy for gay Republicans to gain power and influence in the GOP so that they can later use this political currency to further gay rights, but it rings pretty hollow when the GOP is currently so virulently anti-gay to the point of supporting presidential candidates like Rick Santorum and Ron Paul who are in favor of overturning Lawrence v. Texas and reinstating anti-sodomy laws, and Mitt Romney who has come out strongly against gay and marriage and even civil unions. My favorite part about GOProud and the Log Cabin Republicans is how they attack Obama and Democrats for not being pro-gay enough, but are completely silent and complicit about being in the party actually championing homophobia and enacting anti-gay legislation. E.g. http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/gay-conservatives-attack-obama-marriage Right Wing Watch posted:After coming out in favor of marriage equality for gays and lesbians, gay conservative groups Log Cabin Republicans and GOProud have attacked the President for his announcement.
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Radish posted:I saw that on a bumper sticker but with "Foreign Born" instead of "Brown Skinned" which I think is better. Eh, the point that Jesus, assuming he was a real person, is ridicilously unlikely to have been white can't be made enough.
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Orange Devil posted:Eh, the point that Jesus, assuming he was a real person, is ridicilously unlikely to have been white can't be made enough. I'm a big fan of The Boondocks and the episode "A Huey Freeman Christmas" has such a great exchange about this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhfZ4BqklU8
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Bruce Leroy posted:LCR and GOProud stuff The phrase "Dick Cheney position" is creepy as all hell.
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