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Lord Chumley posted:You know that kid really didn't get killed right? What? What part of what I posted made you think I thought a kid died during a troll? What part of the troll could have possibly given me the idea that a kid died? Boru posted:To be fair through, if a kid is so unbalanced/bratty that he gets THIS worked up over a videogame, the odds are pretty good that he flys off the handle over a lot more at home. I know videogames bring out the worst in people, but its not like being griefed is going to make a normally calm, collected kid suddenly start spewing racial slurs and foaming at the mouth. A kid who WILL get this worked up is usually kind bratty to begin with. This is like saying that it's alright to torment the mentally ill because you didn't drive them crazy if they already are. He's a bratty kid to me still parses as "he's a kid" and thus "I have an incredibly unfair manipulative advantage over this person such that riling them up is like punching a parapalegic" and I think it's just kinda lovely. I mean I used to get off on tormenting the weak and helpless in Eve online but at least those people are adults who really should know better than to run an untanked hulk or to hand 3 billion in assets to a complete stranger because they said they'd do something cool for you. An 11 year old is just helpless, that's not fun. TheSpiritFox fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Jun 15, 2012 |
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TheSpiritFox posted:What? The part at the end of the video (where the kid's grandfather gets on the mic)where it said "shortly after, his grandfather had killed him" or something along those lines and then a website for ending child abuse.
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Jun 16, 2012 01:08
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You really believe that someone would post a video online in which a man kills his own grandson?
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Jun 16, 2012 01:13
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Cojawfee posted:You really believe that someone would post a video online in which a man kills his own grandson? Yes, absolutely.
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Jun 16, 2012 01:14
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JfishPirate posted:Along the same lines as stggs, here's one of my favorite griefing videos. Maybe this makes me a bad person, but people screaming homophobic slurs and other abuse in broken English makes me giggle. "One day I find your mother slut and I rape her." "Motherfucker human being bitch!"
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Jun 16, 2012 01:27
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Cojawfee posted:You really believe that someone would post a video online in which a man kills his own grandson? I never said I believed it.
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Jun 16, 2012 01:28
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TheSpiritFox posted:This is like saying that it's alright to torment the mentally ill because you didn't drive them crazy if they already are. He's a bratty kid to me still parses as "he's a kid" and thus "I have an incredibly unfair manipulative advantage over this person such that riling them up is like punching a parapalegic" and I think it's just kinda lovely. As we are in the "griefing thread" I thought the implication was that everyone was fair game? Anyway my intention was just to point out that the types of kids who get pissed off at games are typically the kids who get pissed off doing ANYTHING. That's to say that even if they weren't being griefed, there's a good chance they would be getting pissed off at something else anyway in the game: camping; using shotguns; taking 'their stuff', etc etc. Now I'm not sure that this *justifies* griefing them, but it's this attitude that makes them your basic mark to grief based on their overbearing reactions. Some kids will just take it all in stride, and some will just disconnect: it's not like ALL kids have hair triggers and no self control. In terms of "is it fair," well griefing is inherently unfair and I thought that's what made it funny? If no one got mad at greifers what would be the point?
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Jun 16, 2012 01:57
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Children who play games online have to accept that they're going to end up facing adult competition. They can either deal with it, or cry over it and then get taunted for crying too. This isn't softball at the family picnic. Junior doesn't get to swing until he gets a hit, and we've got no reason to give a gently caress if someone picks on him. It would be the parents job to watch out for their kids, not the community at large.
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Jun 16, 2012 02:00
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Jesus Christ, four years on and my thread is still going.bucketmouse posted:Holy poo poo I didn't realize that guy had more videos. I happened to be listening to Guns N Roses' song Patience when I loaded this up. How appropriate. Funny way to annoy that kid. If he didn't leave it was probably "his" server or something stupid like that.
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Jun 16, 2012 02:23
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Zaodai posted:Children who play games online have to accept that they're going to end up facing adult competition. They can either deal with it, or cry over it and then get taunted for crying too. Hahaha, is this a seriouspost? It's amazing when this thread brings the real sociopaths out. No, making a kid cry is not griefing, you fucks. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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xf86enodev posted:No, making a kid cry is not griefing, you fucks. By definition it would be, but I can understand if your moral outrage blinds you to reality. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Yea I really don't get why you'd want to make a child cry, it's a really weak move going after the lowest common denominator. It's taking candy from a baby. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Zaodai posted:By definition it would be, but I can understand if your moral outrage blinds you to reality. Y'know what else causes people grief? Murdering their families. Serial killers are the best griefers  Edit: this post is literally 100% super-serious. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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The best griefing stories are the ones where the griefers show creativity in finding ways to break the game and trick other players, I think. Whether or not that kid is a brat, a grown-up managing to upset a kid just doesn't imply a whole lot of creativity or effort is involved in the grief, so the grifer comes across as an uninspired jerk.
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Griefing Discussion Thread - Making kids cry over a videogame is literally the same as being a serial killer.
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7u880y posted:The best griefing stories are the ones where the griefers show creativity in finding ways to break the game and trick other players, I think. Whether or not that kid is a brat, a grown-up managing to upset a kid just doesn't imply a whole lot of creativity or effort is involved in the grief, so the grifer comes across as an uninspired jerk. A funny jerk, though.
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7u880y posted:The best griefing stories are the ones where the griefers show creativity in finding ways to break the game and trick other players, I think. Whether or not that kid is a brat, a grown-up managing to upset a kid just doesn't imply a whole lot of creativity or effort is involved in the grief, so the grifer comes across as an uninspired jerk. Yeah, but unfortunately there are no ground rules to the thread so the funny poo poo gets mixed with 'I tormented a nine year old on the internet' all the time. Just skim past and bear it, it's not going to change.
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My brother owns Something Awful and if you guys don't stop discussing your opinions and start posting more griefing stories he will loving ban you. So yeah enjoy your ban and stuff.
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I like to think there's more to it than just making kids cry. It's griefing, but it's not really that funny. There was a similar video where they convince a kid to put his sister on, then the convince the sister to smack the kid. now that one was funny.
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Kids can be legit targets in a technical sense I suppose. But it's like setting the game to ultra easy. Lazy and mean, like the the thief who steals a few notes from a senile person as opposed to the dude that heists the armoured transport full of mafia money. When I see people griefing kids, like in that Gmod grandpa one, I feel sorry for the kid but for the griefer nothing. Not laughter, not 'oh thats so cool', if there is anything at all its shame on their behalf. A form of trolls remorse I guess but the only people that should be griefing kids is other kids. Not us big kids.
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Sleekly posted:But it's like setting the game to ultra easy. code:A good instance of griefing in GMod is building a Wiremod thing that plays a really annoying noise and constantly follows you around, but is invisible. Even worse if it's one of those servers where you can't delete anybody else's stuff, because your only option is to turn off sound.
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Dr_Amazing posted:I like to think there's more to it than just making kids cry. It's griefing, but it's not really that funny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLx9O9zOVAg ~8:30 to 9:30~
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That kid was an rear end and deserved everything he got.
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Vib Rib posted:Griefing Discussion Thread - Making kids cry over a videogame is literally the same as being a serial killer. Griefing Discussion Thread - Children DESERVE to be griefed for playing MY GROWNUP VIDEO GAMES
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Am I a bad person for getting thousands of people on ArmA2 banned, and blowing up servers of 50 people just to see the rage that they spew in chat after they lose their 3 hours of work?
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E: ^ NO, DETAILS NOW Oh hey 15 new posts maybe there's a bunch of new stor-  Someone post more SS13 stories or something.
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TheSpiritFox posted:
Your analogy is wrong on many levels. This is like saying its ok to honk at a mentally ill person driving a car. They shouldn't be driving in the first place. If parents are going to let their young children play games that are way more mature than they should be experiencing, its not the fault of the players. That one mother claims she is in the room or nearby when her son plays, but that is clearly bullshit. She would know exactly what her son is doing and the things he is saying. Yeah kids get into things they shouldn't, but it certainly wasn't the kid's credit card that bought the drat game. Parents need to own up and do some due diligence on what the hell their kids are up to. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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bucketmouse posted:E: ^ NO, DETAILS NOW Well, I figured out how to spawn bombs on top of players in game using the scripting engine, while thousands of people had already been using the scripting engine to do inconsequential stuff like spawn weapons. I then proceeded to post the script all over 4chan, knowing they would make full use of it as my friend and I went from server to server and systematically blew each one of them up, mostly having targeted the reddit server. This went on for about 3 days before it became super rampant, and the reddit server got so upset by this that they decided to password their server, which is against the developer's rules and will lead to their server being blacklisted. (http://www.reddit.com/r/dayz/comments/v2n6o/due_to_the_severe_influx_of_hacking_we_will_be/) All of this happening lead to the developer, rocket, to become extremely upset. He shut down ALL of the servers for about 30 minutes, and then banned any player who ever ran a script in the game, which totaled in the thousands. This perma-banned all of the users across all of the ARMA 2 servers which have battleye on. I made a few videos of it, they're nothing spectaular, you can read the chat though at the bottom left if you set it to 1080p. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQj-8IzHOH0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q1X33DfaiQ wuat fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Jun 16, 2012 |
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Jesus gently caress, how do you actually sit down and write a justification of why bullying kids as an adult is a good thing to do. I can almost get why you'd do it, but how do you come away thinking there's an angle that's gonna change all those naysayers' minds? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Slamscooty posted:Well, I figured out how to spawn bombs on top of players in game using the scripting engine, while thousands of people had already been using the scripting engine to do inconsequential stuff like spawn weapons. I then proceeded to post the script all over 4chan, knowing they would make full use of it as my friend and I went from server to server and systematically blew each one of them up, mostly having targeted the reddit server. This went on for about 3 days before it became super rampant, and the reddit server got so upset by this that they decided to password their server, which is against the developer's rules and will lead to their server being blacklisted. (http://www.reddit.com/r/dayz/comments/v2n6o/due_to_the_severe_influx_of_hacking_we_will_be/) You did them a favor by keeping them from playing ARMA. But that's hilarious. Can no one make their own servers or something, or is it like DICE and leasing servers?
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SpookyLizard posted:You did them a favor by keeping them from playing ARMA. But that's hilarious. Can no one make their own servers or something, or is it like DICE and leasing servers? You're able to host your own servers, but rocket or another member of the staff team has to ~PERSONALLY INSTALL~ the server, and he has to add the server ID to his database or something manually. EDIT: Here are some great screenshots I found, and a corresponding forum post about  I LOST MY TRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK http://i.imgur.com/akqnL.jpg Which lead to http://dayzmod.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=11285 And http://i.imgur.com/JQPIr.jpg What's happening in those screenshots is my friend and I were spawning in artillery vehicles, which the server wasn't able to detect, and bombing random people on the map and everybody would just die in a hail of explosions. Here's a video of me doing exactly this in game from another player's point of view. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBv-iG5CmVg wuat fucked around with this message at 05:01 on Jun 16, 2012 |
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Buh posted:Jesus gently caress, how do you actually sit down and write a justification of why bullying kids as an adult is a good thing to do. I can almost get why you'd do it, but how do you come away thinking there's an angle that's gonna change all those naysayers' minds? I don't think anybody is contesting that griefing in general is a "good" thing to do? The entire point of it is to be a dick to someone and piss them off. It is inherently evil.
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Buh posted:Jesus gently caress, how do you actually sit down and write a justification of why bullying kids as an adult is a good thing to do. I can almost get why you'd do it, but how do you come away thinking there's an angle that's gonna change all those naysayers' minds? Bullying adults is ok though? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Buh posted:Jesus gently caress, how do you actually sit down and write a justification of why bullying kids as an adult is a good thing to do. I can almost get why you'd do it, but how do you come away thinking there's an angle that's gonna change all those naysayers' minds? Sorry, I meant to say you're a loving retard and need to die in a ditch, preferably while on fire.
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Zaodai posted:I don't think anybody is contesting that griefing in general is a "good" thing to do? The entire point of it is to be a dick to someone and piss them off. It is inherently evil. Inconveniencing people in a vide- Oh. Oh wait. I get it now. You're griefing the thread. Meta. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Captain Oblivious posted:Inconveniencing people in a vide- I take it my response is supposed to portray you as claiming griefing actually builds schools for poor children in Africa? It is an evil act. It's not on the level of a crime or racism or something, but intentionally being a dick to people is certainly not on the good side of the fence. Evil can have standards, so you can still condemn the people who pick on children as being worse, but it is, regardless, a bad thing to do regardless of your target.
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Boru posted:As we are in the "griefing thread" I thought the implication was that everyone was fair game? Anyway my intention was just to point out that the types of kids who get pissed off at games are typically the kids who get pissed off doing ANYTHING. That's to say that even if they weren't being griefed, there's a good chance they would be getting pissed off at something else anyway in the game: camping; using shotguns; taking 'their stuff', etc etc. Bottom line it's picking on people who cannot help their reactions. If it rolls off it rolls off, if it doesn't it doesn't, but kids by default lack the self control to choose to not allow something to get to them or to step back and rationalize everything. Griefing is fair, usually. Everyone is an adult, everyone should be able to step back and say "ok, I'm not going to freak out about this" only some people do not. When an adult does not, that's flat out their fault. When a kid does not it's usually because they fundamentally can't, and it takes a pretty pathetic person to enjoy tormenting those who are literally defenseless. There's also the fact that picking such easy targets makes you a bad griefer. We celebrate people who are inventive in this thread, who pioneer new ways to destroy people's peace of mind or who dedicate themselves to griefs through effort. loving with kids has none of these qualities, it's low effort trolling at it's worst which pretends to be awesome because if you'd gotten that reaction out of an adult you probably would really have had to put some time, energy, and thought into doing it. Zaodai posted:Children who play games online have to accept that they're going to end up facing adult competition. They can either deal with it, or cry over it and then get taunted for crying too. You are exactly the kind of pathetic person I'm talking about. The person who takes poo poo too seriously and the only reason you're a griefer instead of griefed is because you get there first and because you're probably a bit sociopathic. lunatikfringe posted:Your analogy is wrong on many levels. This is like saying its ok to honk at a mentally ill person driving a car. They shouldn't be driving in the first place. If parents are going to let their young children play games that are way more mature than they should be experiencing, its not the fault of the players. That one mother claims she is in the room or nearby when her son plays, but that is clearly bullshit. She would know exactly what her son is doing and the things he is saying. Yeah kids get into things they shouldn't, but it certainly wasn't the kid's credit card that bought the drat game. Parents need to own up and do some due diligence on what the hell their kids are up to. You too. You realize that you are literally placing the onus of your behaviors on other people. You have no responsibility to moderate your behavior or treat others like human beings. While I agree that no responsible parent lets their 10 year old play Team Fortress 2 I also think you are a pathetic manchild with some serious antisocial tendencies. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Zaodai posted:I take it my response is supposed to portray you as claiming griefing actually builds schools for poor children in Africa? I respect the effort you're putting into this but I don't for five seconds think you actually believe the terms good or evil are relevant to 99% of griefing.
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TheSpiritFox posted:You are exactly the kind of pathetic person I'm talking about. The person who takes poo poo too seriously and the only reason you're a griefer instead of griefed is because you get there first and because you're probably a bit sociopathic. Absolutely sociopathic. No argument there. But you're assuming children inherently have the right to make me change my behavior as opposed to being responsible for where they go or what they do. In theory, you should be able to walk down the darkest alley of the worst city in the world and have nothing happen to you. In practice, you have to accept that it is not a good idea and that if you get murdered you are at least partially at fault. People are under no obligation to follow your beliefs or treat people as you would treat them. If they were, we could expect the children to not whine and the idiots to shut up and leave. Those people are shirking the responsibility for their actions as much as the people you think are pathetic sociopaths. [EDIT]Re: Good and evil in griefing: I didn't try putting it on an absolute scale, but in the context of the post I was responding to, he was strawmanning us claiming griefing was a good thing. If you're going to put it on the absolute scale of good and evil, it has to lean evil. Griefing is "bad". It's just not that bad. Zaodai fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Jun 16, 2012 |
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