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Holepunchio posted:I'm one of the suckers who bought ARMA II purely because of DayZ. I can't even enjoy it because the engine and netcode is so lovely I get stuck in a constant lagspike anytime any other player is remotely near me. Anything done to show the developers how bad the engine is welcomed to me, it just encourages more patching. That's all that should've come out of this. A patch to fix the holes and a cheeky wag of the finger. Anything else is onus on the developer. I'm in the same boat. I used to play single-player as it was more stable but well, Rocket threw a fit and that got taken out too. Also, just wanted to restate what Sagebrush said. If you're banned from DayZ you're banned from all of ARMA2. That's how bad Rocket hosed up his own player base. Thousands of people pretty much got screwed over who did nothing.
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The problem with Arma 2 is that it gives way too much power to the client side of server connections, to the point where you can spawn in pretty much anything, teleport people, or turn them into animals. Additionally, Battleeye doesn't really detect anything so much as it detects individual scripts that people create apparently: change your script to do the same thing but via a different method, and you can get in clean. I haven't seen a case of coding this horrendous since the late 90's with the original Jedi Knight's anti-cheat mechanic of "Check game code files for length. If it's the right length, let it through, even if you changed it so your gun shoots stormtroopers."
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Jun 16, 2012 23:01
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Party Plane Jones posted:even if you changed it so your gun shoots stormtroopers. Someone needs to do this with DayZ.
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Jun 16, 2012 23:04
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Just got this at the Dayz forums. quote:Your forum account is currently banned. Ban Reason: Unknown The internet is serious business.
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Jun 16, 2012 23:06
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Flaggy posted:Just got this at the Dayz forums. DayZ does NOT support hitlers of ANY KIND.
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Jun 16, 2012 23:07
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Party Plane Jones posted:If it's the right length, let it through, even if you changed it so your gun shoots stormtroopers." Er, ALL guns can shoot stormtroopers. 
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Jun 16, 2012 23:08
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Flaggy posted:Just got this at the Dayz forums. What did you post?
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Jun 16, 2012 23:08
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Slamscooty posted:DayZ does NOT support hitlers of ANY KIND. Hy_C posted:What did you post? Pretty much that.
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Jun 16, 2012 23:10
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Hy_C posted:What did you post? General goon fuckery. http://dayzmod.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=12848  Goatse on last pageEDIT:  For some reason those forums dont let me log out either. I was planning on buying ArmA II as well 
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Edit: Oh hey, it got answered while I was typing. I don't see a goatse on the last page, though. VVV Knowing his type? Just whining and hoping someone will comfort him and shield him from all the EVIL GOONS 
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Jun 16, 2012 23:11
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Is rocket a serious drama-whore? I see so many posts from him saying "THE PROJECT IS DEAD" and "YOU KILLED IT." Is he really going to stop updating the mod or is he just whining?
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Jun 16, 2012 23:12
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Slime posted:Er, ALL guns can shoot stormtroopers. Literally stormtroopers, sorry. I also remember guns that would change sectors in the game (usually a room) to be marked as water, causing people to drown, build guns, teleportation, guns that would suck in and delete all the objects from a map, and whole bunch of other guns. Since Jedi Knight was extremely clientside based, there was a series of hacks that autoaimed for you. Autoaim instead of being an aimbot actually changed your projectiles themselves to track and follow the enemy player. Aside from guns, you could change the power level of your force powers by opening your multiplayer character (basically your skin, name, and saber color) and added a bunch of extras. Doing so would make you die because of the velocity of your jump into a ceiling, so fast that if you hit any solid object you'd die, and blindness would completely blank out an opposing player's screen for 10 minutes. Plus, your standard loudout in the game was controlled by a file called misc.dat, which was in plaintext, and allowed you to edit it freely. Basically, Jedi Knight was the Gmod of 1998. Party Plane Jones fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Jun 16, 2012 |
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Jun 16, 2012 23:14
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Party Plane Jones posted:The problem with Arma 2 is that it gives way too much power to the client side of server connections, to the point where you can spawn in pretty much anything, teleport people, or turn them into animals. Additionally, Battleeye doesn't really detect anything so much as it detects individual scripts that people create apparently: change your script to do the same thing but via a different method, and you can get in clean. I wouldn't blame BattlEye. Yes, they're awful, it is amateur hour as far as anti-cheats go, but they can only do so much. ARMA2 (and in fact every iteration of the engine ARMA2 is based off of) is a monstrosity. They don't just give clients control over their own client, that would be bad enough, they give clients control over the server, it's the most insane thing I've ever seen in my entire, entire life. Oh, but don't mention this on the BiS forums because the fanboys will be out in force. I feel this is also the appropriate time to mention that their scripting system is god awful, too. If they'd setup a reliable server/client/shared framework and adopted Lua as their main scripting language it would still be worth playing for me today. Right now, their community is insanely lucky ARMA2 has lasted as long as it did. Their hacker community actively advocates against killing the game because they absolutely understand that they have the ability to do that. They really do, too. One bored person on a mission with a script bypass can destroy the entire ARMA2 community, not just DayZ. It's a ridiculous situation. BiS and all of their loyal fans really do deserve what they get. It's a fun game from time to time but it's put together extremely poorly with no desire to change.
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Holepunchio posted:That whole DayZ grief is barely even a grief. I can't sort out the exact details, but at worst even if Cowman wrote the script and then spread it all over 4chan he's not the one that forced anyone to use the script and he's not the one to ban everyone for using a script and he's certainly not the one threatening to stop development after the fallout. I mean making exploits to developers glaringly obvious is just a nice way to get the exploits patched out quickly. That mass-banning was a huge overreaction by what sounds like a ego-maniacal controlfreak. I'm flattered but it wasn't me. I don't even own the game.
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s0beit posted:I wouldn't blame BattlEye. Yes, they're awful, it is amateur hour as far as anti-cheats go, but they can only do so much. ARMA2 (and in fact every iteration of the engine ARMA2 is based off of) is a monstrosity. They don't just give clients control over their own client, that would be bad enough, they give clients control over the server, it's the most insane thing I've ever seen in my entire, entire life. I think Arma 2 being a ridiculously niche game with a small community has been a secret blessing. Hackers don't want to kill the game because they'd have nowhere else to go play a game that's like Arma 2. So they basically don't poo poo where they eat. Once DayZ came out, the huge explosion in population and shift in the game's perspective really screwed things up. I just hope now Bohemia will actually start listening to their community but I'm afraid not, because I'm pretty sure their main cash cow are still the militaries of several countries.
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Jun 16, 2012 23:42
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Is rocket retarded? I mean that seriously. Okay, let's come up with an analogy. Some guys are shot by a group of maniacs. The maniacs must be stopped. How do we do it? Anyone who has ever used or owned a gun, ever, must now face the death penalty. Everyone. Police, Military, Hunters, Sports Shooters, Defensive Homeowners, and the maniacs I guess. But it's okay, we stopped the maniacs at the cost of about a 1000:1 innocent:maniac ratio!
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Jun 16, 2012 23:48
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bucketmouse posted:Not like this is the first time it's happened. (admittedly this was indirectly though) Holy poo poo how did this and the follow-up new article never make it into gamesjournalism.txt, that was impressive how poorly they researched it.
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Jun 16, 2012 23:59
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Why can't battleye read incoming scripts and look for things that shouldn't be in the mod. Maybe have the modders have a "don't execute" list in their mods somewhere had have battleye call to that list when the mod starts and search for any player enacting scripts that do a thing and ban them? I have seen some server logs and it doesn't seem to hard for them to check for "Created crate" because players shouldn't be creating anything!
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Shadowlz posted:Why can't battleye read incoming scripts and look for things that shouldn't be in the mod. Maybe have the modders have a "don't execute" list in their mods somewhere had have battleye call to that list when the mod starts and search for any player enacting scripts that do a thing and ban them? I have seen some server logs and it doesn't seem to hard for them to check for "Created crate" because players shouldn't be creating anything! That's what they do, but what BattleEye does is look for what are basically copy and pasted code snippets. You can get around it very, very easily.
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Party Plane Jones posted:That's what they do, but what BattleEye does is look for what are basically copy and pasted code snippets. You can get around it very, very easily. Did they hire some random 12 year old lua scripter to write their anti-cheat?
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Raneman posted:Did they hire some random 12 year old lua scripter to write their anti-cheat? Basically, he also completely refuses to admit that it's possible for his system to have false positives and tries to troll anybody that tells him they weren't hacking. Edit: another player's email to the battleye dev http://i.imgur.com/GhhrL.png wuat fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Jun 17, 2012 |
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Justice posted:I wish I could reap the strife you have sown and distill it into a fermented beverage to keep me warm at night. I think I may have just fully realized what we sound like to people who don't post here 
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Slamscooty posted:Basically, he also completely refuses to admit that it's possible for his system to have false positives and tries to troll anybody that tells him they weren't hacking. From what I recall a page or so back one of the developers for Day Z ended up getting a global ban themselves. That thread was quickly deleted.
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Flaggy posted:Just got this at the Dayz forums. Is...is rocket Tim Buckley?
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1stGear posted:Is...is rocket Tim Buckley?  We have found the Tim Buckley of game development. Ancient legend says there is only one for every field of art.
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Jun 17, 2012 00:50
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S Danger K posted:General goon fuckery. I thought we had upgraded from "a wretched hive of scum and villainy".
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Party Plane Jones posted:From what I recall a page or so back one of the developers for Day Z ended up getting a global ban themselves. That thread was quickly deleted. I saw that thread and it was obvious sarcasm. The devs quickly realized that the playerbase is far too dense to figure that out and deleted it. It said something like this: "I GOt global ban i never hack and i don't understand!!1" It was an obvious joke referencing threads like these: http://dayzmod.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=12181 http://dayzmod.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=12190 And, well, the entire subforum: http://dayzmod.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=16 Shadowlz fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Jun 17, 2012 |
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Jun 17, 2012 00:52
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LO-loving-L Banned for trolling in a thread about trolling 
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Shadowlz posted:I saw that thread and it was obvious sarcasm. The devs quickly realized that the playerbase is far too dense to figure that out and deleted it. http://i.imgur.com/MzmSw.jpg
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Pillory posted:if (isnil 'BIS_GITA_fnc_createMarkers' || false) then { I spotted this in the thread for why people were banned. This, actually, is a beign code from what I can tell. After some research I found it's related to the ambient civilian modules and villages and poo poo. BIS = Bohemia Interactive Studios GITA = Generator of Integrated Town Areas By the way, that function ships with the vanilla game.
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m2pt5 posted:I thought we had upgraded from "a wretched hive of scum and villainy".  I hope "I can, and DO troll people in real life" is itself a troll because that's awfully depressing otherwise.
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Category Fun! posted:
It is, don't worry. I'm just being a jackass on there for the hell of it. I'm also posting that image I linked earlier getting pubbies to believe that innocent people actually have been banned.
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Slamscooty posted:It is, don't worry. I'm just being a jackass on there for the hell of it. I'm also posting that image I linked earlier getting pubbies to believe that innocent people actually have been banned. Fair enough, don't let me stop you 
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Category Fun! posted:Fair enough, don't let me stop you I'm honestly just trying to get banned, it's pretty amazing that I haven't been yet considering ~5 other people in that thread have been.
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Dr. Stab posted:why does it say || false ? Is it some quirk of the scripting language? Programming languages are wierd.
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Slamscooty posted:It is, don't worry. I'm just being a jackass on there for the hell of it. I'm also posting that image I linked earlier getting pubbies to believe that innocent people actually have been banned. Oh is that you? Hahahaha, I should have figured as much. They have that weird quote within a quote thing going on. I wonder if it has a limit. Cowman fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Jun 17, 2012 |
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Slamscooty posted:I'm honestly just trying to get banned, it's pretty amazing that I haven't been yet considering ~5 other people in that thread have been. 
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Dr. Stab posted:why does it say || false ? Is it some quirk of the scripting language? || means OR in scripting. It basically says if function 'BIS_GITA_fnc_createMarkers' is nil, zero or false, then execute the following code. The false thing is... Almost not necessary because it isn't given a function and will never be true.
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Party Plane Jones posted:From what I recall a page or so back one of the developers for Day Z ended up getting a global ban themselves. That thread was quickly deleted. It's amazing. The hack was impressive enough, but the response was akin to pulling out a gun, unloading the clip into your foot, then reloading and doing it again
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