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Revdomezehis posted:So just to make sure I'm not going crazy, this episode just starts with them (The Masters) fighting in there right? I could've sworn last episode barely showed Kiritsugu and then all of a sudden this episode he's in some sort of fully enclosed room beneath the grail fighting Kotomine. The boring reason they fought in the batcave is it costs nothing to animate.
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Kotomine: "How can you deny the worth of something you worked so hard to attain?" Since he stops just short of mastery in everything, I guess he must have lost interest in logic just before he got to the sunk costs fallacy. I guess this episode also features something vaguely like the game theory sunk cost dilemma, where making a decision that is optimal for each individual step may lead to overall disaster. Huh. How about that.
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Jun 17, 2012 08:43
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If there is one thing you can say about Kiritsugu, it is that he is consistent. I guess I should start on Fate/Stay Night after this show is over. I started watching this on a whim, and now I feel like I spoiled a great deal of the original visual novel. Oh, and question, is there another visual novel/light novel I should pick up besides Fate/Stay Night and Fate/Zero?
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Jun 17, 2012 09:35
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I think most would recommend Saya no Uta as it's also written by Urobuchi, I describe it as X-Files meets Lovecraft. Same voice actor as F/Z Lancer too! And Tsukihime, as it's also more or less the same universe, the Kiritsugu backstory episode more or less crossed over with it.
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Jun 17, 2012 09:49
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GrizzlyCow posted:If there is one thing you can say about Kiritsugu, it is that he is consistent. Eh, there's still around 1 plot twist not spoiled by Fate Zero! 
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Jun 17, 2012 10:00
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Silver2195 posted:Doesn't she survive in Cherry Blossom's Dream?
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Jun 17, 2012 10:15
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GrizzlyCow posted:Oh, and question, is there another visual novel/light novel I should pick up besides Fate/Stay Night and Fate/Zero? If you like the general feel of F/SN as a visual novel, you might want to look into the Tsukihime side of the Nasuverse.
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Jun 17, 2012 13:14
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Loved this episode. Although I was definitely underwhelmed with the way Saber killed Berserker. It made him look really weak. Also, maybe it's just me but I like it when they cut the OP out of certain episodes. I feel it makes them seem more important. I know it was cut kind of poorly in this one, but as a general rule I like it. Emy posted:Kotomine: "How can you deny the worth of something you worked so hard to attain?" He probably doesn't see it that way. Remember that he strives towards self-improvement. To him, it's a waste of time to stick with one thing for too long and only improve slightly as a person, when he could move onto something else and become much stronger overall.
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Jun 17, 2012 15:06
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Sylvyfish posted:Also, maybe it's just me but I like it when they cut the OP out of certain episodes. I feel it makes them seem more important. I know it was cut kind of poorly in this one, but as a general rule I like it. The OP was only cut due to time constraints, really. The full version should retain the OP.
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Jun 17, 2012 16:31
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DerLeo posted:Instead, Ufotable makes Carnival Phantasm Second Barrage. If we never get a Heaven's Feel Anime. I feel this is the next best thing. You would hear no complaints.
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Jun 17, 2012 17:10
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InsaneZero posted:The OP was only cut due to time constraints, really. The full version should retain the OP. Oh, I know why they do it, I'm just saying I happen to like it. Happens with a lot of shows towards the end of the run and I never miss seeing the OP.
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Jun 17, 2012 17:10
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So the one remaining question I have now is how in the hell Kotomine came out of getting point-blanked by an origin shot without being a cripple. I'm guessing they cover it at some point. I'm just hoping it is a more "grounded" explanation than "whatever anime logic". This show has done that pretty well so far.
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Jun 17, 2012 17:55
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AlternateNu posted:Kotomine came out of getting point-blanked by an origin shot without being a cripple. The shot towards the end of the episode? I kind of just assumed it was a regular bullet. No need to waste an origin bullet when he had him at that range. edit: Also, if memory serves, they have no affect on magical circuits if they are not directly interrupting a spell. Since he's just sitting there with his hands up it shouldn't matter even if he did burn an origin bullet. Sylvyfish fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Jun 17, 2012 |
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Jun 17, 2012 18:08
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Sylvyfish posted:The shot towards the end of the episode? I kind of just assumed it was a regular bullet. No need to waste an origin bullet when he had him at that range.
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Jun 17, 2012 18:10
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As someone who has not read the novel I thought this episode was pretty awesome.
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AlternateNu posted:So the one remaining question I have now is how in the hell Kotomine came out of getting point-blanked by an origin shot without being a cripple. I'm guessing they cover it at some point. I'm just hoping it is a more "grounded" explanation than "whatever anime logic". This show has done that pretty well so far. They sort of explain this in the show but only briefly - Kotomine was using the Command Seals as a prana/mana/whatever source instead of his own magic circuits, so when the origin bullet hit it just burned up the Command Seal that was currently in use instead of loving him up.
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Jun 17, 2012 18:30
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More screenplay covers are up! (Pretty sure that's a reference to Raoh from Fist of the North Star there)  His face kills me.
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DerLeo posted:Instead, Ufotable makes Carnival Phantasm Second Barrage. I want this more than an HF anime, because HF only got good when Archer got dead. A well-done version of UBW, however, would own. And the third Indiana Jones movie had them going out for the Holy Grail, right? The cover works.
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Jun 17, 2012 19:26
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We called the dog Kiritugu.
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Jun 17, 2012 19:31
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MadRhetoric posted:And the third Indiana Jones movie had them going out for the Holy Grail, right? The cover works. It would only work if Shirou was Indy and Kerry was Sean Connery.
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Jun 17, 2012 19:44
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Pierson posted:We called the dog Kiritugu. Let my weapons be the rocks and the trees...and the birds in the sky.
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Jun 17, 2012 19:50
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So the only think that confused me this week was this: Kiritsugu uses his Accel magic while fighting Kirei, which I get. How, then, did Kirei manage to keep up/dodge/block Kiritsugu during most of their fight? Was it much like how he was burning command seals to power his Black Keys -- was he burning command seals to give himself a speed/power boost? Other than that, I really enjoyed the darkness of this week's episode. The animation was all over the place though, which I imagine the bluray will fix but man.
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Jun 17, 2012 19:51
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That entire episode was pretty great. Pretty much an episode of  . I hate Aniplex's pricing on their shows but may have to man up and buy the Fate/Zero blurays.
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Jun 17, 2012 20:19
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Tensokuu posted:So the only think that confused me this week was this: Kiritsugu uses his Accel magic while fighting Kirei, which I get. How, then, did Kirei manage to keep up/dodge/block Kiritsugu during most of their fight? Was it much like how he was burning command seals to power his Black Keys -- was he burning command seals to give himself a speed/power boost? Kotomine is just that fast through martial arts.
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Tensokuu posted:So the only think that confused me this week was this: Kiritsugu uses his Accel magic while fighting Kirei, which I get. How, then, did Kirei manage to keep up/dodge/block Kiritsugu during most of their fight? Was it much like how he was burning command seals to power his Black Keys -- was he burning command seals to give himself a speed/power boost? Kotomine is just that fast/skilled. Kiritsugu's an assassin who favours guns/traps. Kotomine's a dude who beats up vampires.
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Tensokuu posted:So the only think that confused me this week was this: Kiritsugu uses his Accel magic while fighting Kirei, which I get. How, then, did Kirei manage to keep up/dodge/block Kiritsugu during most of their fight? Was it much like how he was burning command seals to power his Black Keys -- was he burning command seals to give himself a speed/power boost? He does do that once to add power on a punch, but otherwise, it's like everyone else has said.
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Shyrka posted:Kotomine is just that fast/skilled. Kiritsugu's an assassin who favours guns/traps. Kotomine's a dude who beats up vampires. Yeah, Kotomine is just that hardcore. The Command Seals didn't hurt, either.
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Jun 17, 2012 21:46
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Shyrka posted:Kotomine is just that fast/skilled. Kiritsugu's an assassin who favours guns/traps. Kotomine's a dude who beats up vampires.
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Like I said, Kotomine is just terrifying during his prime. If he had been as strong as he was when he fought Kiritsugu in Fate, Shirou would never have been able to touch him.
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-Troika- posted:Like I said, Kotomine is just terrifying during his prime. If he had been as strong as he was when he fought Kiritsugu in Fate, Shirou would never have been able to touch him.
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I liked Berserker a lot more when I didn't know who he was. I think that's probably mainly because they didn't really explain him very well. From what people are saying, the novels do that? As it is, it's a bit, "hey, this guy is important, well, he's dead now". RIP Motorbike. I mean, I know a bit about the Arthur/Lancelot thing but it really didn't go anywhere in this episode. Rest of it was quite good though. The Holy Grail is kind of an rear end in a top hat. Or I guess that's Angra Mainyu, or are they the same thing? It's been a while since I saw what happens in Stay/Night.
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McDragon posted:I liked Berserker a lot more when I didn't know who he was. I think that's probably mainly because they didn't really explain him very well. From what people are saying, the novels do that? As it is, it's a bit, "hey, this guy is important, well, he's dead now". RIP Motorbike. I mean, I know a bit about the Arthur/Lancelot thing but it really didn't go anywhere in this episode. The Holy Grail is just a great big container to be filled with the souls of copied Heroic Spirits so it can overflow with mana and fulfill a wish. The problem was that when a spirit called Angra Mainyu was killed and put inside it, the curses carved onto his body became the wish it was programed to grant. So now any other wish it grants will be done via the method of cursing the world with destruction.
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Ah, that sounds familiar, thanks.
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Indeed it will grant all wishes the same way.  .I'd like to read the novel again but I don't think that would really do my vision any good. Is there any e-reader compatible version?
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Hey there gents, I'm sorry if this question was asked a hundred times in this thread. I keep hearing stuff about Fate/etc. and I would like to start watching this serie, but goddamn I am confused on where I should start to begin with this serie. Should I buy novels? Watch the animes/movie/ova instead? Anything I need to avoid? And most importantly where do I even start? Edit: Thanks for the replies! I got a clearer view on this, hoping I'll enjoy the show as well. Bonby fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Jun 18, 2012 |
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BobbyBaudoin posted:Hey there gents, I'm sorry if this question was asked a hundred times in this thread. Start with the Fate/Stay Night visual novel, the Fate/Zero anime, or the Fate/Zero light novels. Avoid the Fate/Stay Night anime and the Unlimited Blade Works movie. The F/SN VN can be found in LP form here: http://fsn.seorinwastaken.com/archive/
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^^^ Beaten...by a mere newbie-avatar poster!? Im...impossible! There is an english translation of the Fate/Stay Night visual novel (read; text-based videogame with some animated screens and music) and this is what you should start with. The anime series is generally considered bad due to a number of reasons, and the sequel-movie is considered bad because it tried to shove a novel-length story into 90 minutes. You'll see people refer to three different stories when talking about Fate Stay/Night: Fate, Unlimited Bladeworks and Heaven's Feel. You don't need to worry about this, there's a definite order to them when you play the VN and you can't accidentally skip one or anything like that. Zero is a direct prequel to Stay Night. There's no reason you can't watch Zero and then play Stay Night because the characters and situations are different, but you'll be spoiled on some background knowledge that Stay Night treats as HUGE REVEALS and Zero assumes you already know. In short; if you have the time you should absolutely play the game (or read the LP), then watch Zero after.
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Silver2195 posted:Avoid the Fate/Stay Night anime and the Unlimited Blade Works movie. I want to emphasize how important this is. I have made the mistake of recommending the anime to friends, because I knew they wouldn't play the VN. Now they refuse to watch Fate/Zero. It's a shame. Thinking back on the FSN anime and UBW movie, I really don't want a Heaven's Feel adaptation now.
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-Troika- posted:Like I said, Kotomine is just terrifying during his prime. If he had been as strong as he was when he fought Kiritsugu in Fate, Shirou would never have been able to touch him. In Fate, Kotomine was suffering from a severe case of  . Even if he was at full strength, he probably would have lost anyways. Especially since he didn't know about projection.That all just makes the final battle of HF even more awesome though.
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