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CVagts posted:Speaking of the dark days of TNA, what was the deal with Junior Fatu? Did they not sign him to a contract before booking him in that tournament (where I think the story was that he asked for more money after winning the first round match, then had to be replaced)? Pretty much, and supposedly he was an arse backstage who thought he was a superstar on a level above everyone else, so they decided to get rid of him. There was also something about him calling the then Robert Roode "Rick Roode" as well. Whether that was him taking the mick or doing a Donald Trump "Bobby Lindsey" is anyone's guess.
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Ringo Roadagain posted:Who was The Ninja from early 80s NWA shows? Kazuo Sakurada/Kendo Nagasaki was The White Ninja in WCCW and he teamed with Mutoh as mentioned earlier who was The Super Black Ninja. But yeah, you need to be a bit more precise than "early 80s NWA shows".
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Took me way too long (as in today) to realize that IWC means Internet Wrestling Community.
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Is there any handy video compilation of the different pro-wrestling roll-ups? I was thinking about it yesterday and realised that I know of: victory roll, school boy, sunset flip, Oklahoma roll, small package, and I'm sure one or two others I am forgetting. But I couldn't actually identify any of them. Barring a video montage, is anyone able to give a run down on the basic description of as many as possible?
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budreck posted:WWE really missed out on the teen vampire craze the last few years. I feel this way about Zack Ryder's bro/Jersey Shoreish character. That poo poo is huge and most people either love it or hate it, and I assume most of the typical WWE fans hate it. I don't see a bro as a main event gimmick, but he could be a hell of a midcard heel. I mean how do you bring in Snookie and NOT pair her with the bro on the roster? Of course if I remember correctly, she was booked as a face, which speaks volumes of how in touch with pop culture Vince is.
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MrBling posted:Kazuo Sakurada/Kendo Nagasaki was The White Ninja in WCCW and he teamed with Mutoh as mentioned earlier who was The Super Black Ninja. Mutoh was also The Ninja in Florida, so if it was the early 80s it was probably him.
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Gar posted:...which speaks volumes of how in touch with pop culture Vince is. My favorite is still Vince never getting behind Paul Burchill's pirate gimmick because, well if he hadn't heard of 'Pirates of the Caribbean' then certainly nobody else had heard of it either.
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Avenging_Mikon posted:Is there any handy video compilation of the different pro-wrestling roll-ups? I was thinking about it yesterday and realised that I know of: victory roll, school boy, sunset flip, Oklahoma roll, small package, and I'm sure one or two others I am forgetting. But I couldn't actually identify any of them. Barring a video montage, is anyone able to give a run down on the basic description of as many as possible? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPLVde3ImfU As for the others: victory roll: the person perfoming the move jumps onto the other guy's shoulders, rolls forward while hooking his legs under the opponent's arms schoolboy/girl: see any Diva match. sunset flip: often done as a counter to a back body drop, the user dives over the opponent whose head is down, grabbing him by the waist with both arms and rolls. Can be done off the top rope. Oklahoma Roll: like a sunset flip done from the side. La Magistral/La Casita: grab opponent's left arm from the side, swing right leg over to hook it and roll forward like the Oklahoma roll. Perigryn fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Jun 17, 2012 |
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Thanks! That video was pretty good, and the move descriptions help me out.
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This may be a silly question, but because I've always wondered this and since his name is thrown around here from time to time, who the hell is Scott Keith?
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He's a fat gently caress who got internet famous for his "rants" about pro wrestling and somehow got himself book deals and a fan following of people singing his praises. At some point, he got lazy, got an ego and his writing went to total poo poo ("went" haha) and he's also a fat gently caress. Theres more to it than this but gently caress him.
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Moth Banquet posted:This may be a silly question, but because I've always wondered this and since his name is thrown around here from time to time, who the hell is Scott Keith? He's a fat piece of poo poo who ran/runs (I refuse to see if he still does) a wrestling website, writes factually incorrect books loaded with conjecture and behaves like an FYAD poster.
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That makes sense. Thanks folks.
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I bought a Scott Keith book from Borders when it was going out of business. To be fair, I had no idea who he was, just that he sounded familiar, and it was about the Hart Dungeon, or something. I've blocked most of it out because it was awful and incorrect and full of opinion as fact. Don't give him any money or attention.
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Perigryn posted:Well, this has some of the less common technical ones. Backslide: Stand back to back with opponent, hook arms together, kneel down and bend over trying to pin their shoulders. I don't think this has ever been used successfully. Crucifix: From behind grab an arm, jump up and wrap legs around their other arm and use leverage to fall back and pivot them over your body so their shoulders are down. Awesome looking pin that's used very rarely. Critical fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Jun 17, 2012 |
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Pope Corky the IX posted:My favorite is still Vince never getting behind Paul Burchill's pirate gimmick because, well if he hadn't heard of 'Pirates of the Caribbean' then certainly nobody else had heard of it either. Vince wanted that gimmick because he had just seen Pirates. However he wanted it to look like a more traditional cartoony pirate or something, not like the character from Pirates.
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Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl, or Pirates, the parody porn film? This is Vince McMahon we're talking about.
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MassRayPer posted:Vince wanted that gimmick because he had just seen Pirates. However he wanted it to look like a more traditional cartoony pirate or something, not like the character from Pirates. Sorry, I swear I had read that the reason Burchill never really got pushed is Vince hadn't yet seen the 'Pirates of the Caribbean' movies and, as usual, assumed nobody else had either.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Sorry, I swear I had read that the reason Burchill never really got pushed is Vince hadn't yet seen the 'Pirates of the Caribbean' movies and, as usual, assumed nobody else had either. One of the former writers says that Vince saw the movie and decided he really wanted a pirate, but never told them he wanted a pirate that resembled a children's Halloween costume version of a pirate, not the movie. Which is weird because I think they said he really liked the movie. Vince is just a strange guy. Or maybe he did see the porno and that is the way he wanted them to look.
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MassRayPer posted:One of the former writers says that Vince saw the movie and decided he really wanted a pirate, but never told them he wanted a pirate that resembled a children's Halloween costume version of a pirate, not the movie. Which is weird because I think they said he really liked the movie. Vince is just a strange guy. Or maybe he did see the porno and that is the way he wanted them to look. You sure about that? I'm fairly sure I read that He was watching an old Errol Flynn film with Linda and decided to have a pirate. When he saw what Burchill was doing he was confused because he wanted a bloke swashbuckling around and going "Yar!" and didn't know who this Capitan Jack Sparrow was. He then decided to can the gimmick or Burchill got injured just a few short weeks before the new Pirates of the Caribbean film became a huge box office success. Edit: Wikipedia has to scoops, brother! quote:This time away from the ring was also used to develop a new gimmick to replace his pirate character on his return. This was done allegedly because Vince McMahon, who reportedly was not aware of the Pirates of the Caribbean films and Johnny Depp's pirate character, believed the character should have thought he was a real pirate, acting more like the Carl Ouellet pirate character from the 1990s, and felt it could not work as a crowd favorite, despite the positive crowd reactions Burchill received. Gonzo McFee fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Jun 17, 2012 |
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Joeslop posted:Scott Keith
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Scott Keith was a tape trader on RSPW (rec.sport.pro-wrestling) that branched into doing a ton of tape reviews back in the real old days when Usenet was bigger than the World Wide Web. He eventually become respected enough that he was a mod and did a lot of the administration stuff like the group FAQ. Since the online insider community was pretty small in the mid-90s as the web started to take over, he got a gig with one of the first major wrestling sites, Wrestlemaniacs, which was eventually bought out by CBS and turned into Wrestleline after Scott had established himself as one of their more prolific writers. (Yes, wrestling was popular enough in the nWo/Austin 3:16 era for CBS to have a major wrestling site.) All of his later mainstreamish stuff sprung off being a featured writer on CBS for a few years.
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It should be noted that any mention of Scott Keith to Dave Meltzer (especially regarding rumours and whatnot) will make Dave basically scoff and and treat Kieth like the non-entity he is. It's pretty funny.
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Quarex posted:Though talking about him does give him more attention, it is worth noting that Scott Keith's writing was so bad, and his apparent hatred for every single aspect of professional wrestling was so palpable, that he completely turned me off to reading recaps entirely. He also loved all Canadian wrestlers to a ridiculous degree. He also thought that Undertaker is a horrible wrestler and holding people down.
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Biker Taker was HHH before HHH to be fair.
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I enjoy reading Keith's rants even though I don't always agree. As far as I know, Scott is still friends with Scotsman. My favourite story was when Shane McMahon told off his friends. Here's the rant. Scott Keith posted:
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bobkatt013 posted:He also loved all Canadian wrestlers to a ridiculous degree. He also thought that Undertaker is a horrible wrestler and holding people down. Undertaker WAS a horrible wrestler from 2000 to 2004 and held down a lot of guys. It wasn't until he started introducing MMA-style offence into his matches that he became watchable.
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He had a few good matches in between those years.
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bobkatt013 posted:He also loved all Canadian wrestlers to a ridiculous degree. This led to his ratings for Canadian Stampede being about a * higher per match than they should have been. See also: nearly every Owen and Chris Jericho match he rated.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:It should be noted that any mention of Scott Keith to Dave Meltzer (especially regarding rumours and whatnot) will make Dave basically scoff and and treat Kieth like the non-entity he is. It's pretty funny. My favorite was "Scott Keith level research/writing."
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MassRayPer posted:My favorite was "Scott Keith level research/writing." His "feud" with Chris Hyatte was also entertaining in that they are both miserable piles of poo poo.
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jeffersonlives posted:he got a gig with one of the first major wrestling sites, Wrestlemaniacs, which was eventually bought out by CBS and turned into Wrestleline after Scott had established himself as one of their more prolific writers. (Yes, wrestling was popular enough in the nWo/Austin 3:16 era for CBS to have a major wrestling site.) Wasn't WrestleLine a SportsLine USA gig, since SportsLine had a content production deal with CBS at the time, and primarily an offshoot of Bill Apter and WOW Magazine? I don't think CBS / Viacom actually acquired SportsLine until 2004 or 2005.
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Timby posted:Wasn't WrestleLine a SportsLine USA gig, since SportsLine had a content production deal with CBS at the time, and primarily an offshoot of Bill Apter and WOW Magazine? I don't think CBS / Viacom actually acquired SportsLine until 2004 or 2005. CBS/Viacom owned the controlling interest in Sportsline pretty much from the beginning of their deal, they just didn't make it a wholly owned subsidiary until around there. Apter wrote for Wrestleline but IIRC the main guys were the Scaia/Micasa/Keith Wrestlemaniacs crew. It's been a bazillion years, of course, so my memory may be not entirely accurate.
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jeffersonlives posted:CBS/Viacom owned the controlling interest in Sportsline pretty much from the beginning of their deal, they just didn't make it a wholly owned subsidiary until around there. Micasa stopped writing when he became a lawyer and ASK THE RICK went to online onslaught after the wrestling boom.
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Frot Lesnar posted:Micasa stopped writing when he became a lawyer and ASK THE RICK went to online onslaught after the wrestling boom. I give this post a thumbs in the middle.
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Michael "Micasa" Samuda was charged with fraud a few years back. http://www.justice.gov/usao/fls/PressReleases/100416-01.html
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jeffersonlives posted:Apter wrote for Wrestleline but IIRC the main guys were the Scaia/Micasa/Keith Wrestlemaniacs crew. It's been a bazillion years, of course, so my memory may be not entirely accurate.
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Frot Lesnar posted:His "feud" with Chris Hyatte was also entertaining in that they are both miserable piles of poo poo. It wasn't a feud so much as Hyatte going really far out of his way to insult and berate Scott at every opportunity, to the point of being really creepy and unfunny, while Scott ignored him because he had more important things to be 90% wrong about.
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Quarex posted:Wow, nostalgia explosion. Just add the letters C R Z to that mix AUSTIN....IS...WALKING!
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