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Here's my bronze match from the regional ADCC, and I'd love some feedback. Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrmC3SDNYkg Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NWg9kCGBac ADCC rules, so points start after 5 minutes. Not as active in going for a submission as I wished I'd been, but with a busted knee from a heelhock in the match before, I didn't really want to make it any more complicated than it had to be, and I didn't want to risk giving up my position for the points at halftime until I knew I could do it safely. Not the most exciting way to win, but welp, someone's gotta be John Fitch. I'm pretty happy with the half guard sweep at 2:25, and when he locks me up in an arm triangle on 2:40, the reason I'm just lying still is because the dude's just squeezing the gently caress out of my chin while I can breathe just fine. Oh, at 4:40, I pause the match because I've got my heel dug nice and deep into his buttcrack. It feels like a pretty solid hook all things considered, but there's such a thing as being a gentleman about manhugging. Oh, and Grab Your Foot ought to be happy about 6:20. I really need to do something about my rear naked chokes, because I'm embarrassingly bad about sinking it in, as can be seen in this video. I think I'm too hesitant to risk my over-under grip. Bohemian Nights fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Jun 19, 2012 |
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Is your knee going to require surgery? Leg attacks are probably the scariest thing about grappling.
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Jun 19, 2012 16:23
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Julio Cesar Fatass posted:Is your knee going to require surgery? Leg attacks are probably the scariest thing about grappling. No, I think it'll be fine. I tapped to the heelhook the instant I could feel the mixed feeling of paper ripping and this rippling popping feeling. I was limping from saturday to yesterday, but I iced, tiger balsamed and put on a tight neoprene knee supporter immediately afterwards, and I think that helped. I can walk pretty much pain free now, so I'm hoping for a couple of weeks. Edit: Subparr posted:*shudder* Are you going to go to the Dr? Nothing worse than thinking you're good, starting to train again and then one weird slip your knee moves how it shouldn't. I'll feel it out. I've experienced the same feeling before by crossing my legs when I have backmount, and getting them locked up (don't do it, kids!), and that injury went away by itself after a month or so, and this time around it feels a bit less severe. I actually love leglocks, and they're usually my go to technique. Guess I'll have to start defending them like normal people do, too. Learning as I go! Bohemian Nights fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Jun 19, 2012 |
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Jun 19, 2012 16:26
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Julio Cesar Fatass posted:Is your knee going to require surgery? Leg attacks are probably the scariest thing about grappling. Straight knee bars don't bother me. But gently caress any other joint locks below the waist.
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Jun 19, 2012 16:50
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Bohemian Nights posted:No, I think it'll be fine. I tapped to the heelhook the instant I could feel the mixed feeling of paper ripping and this rippling popping feeling. I was limping from saturday to yesterday, but I iced, tiger balsamed and put on a tight neoprene knee supporter immediately afterwards, and I think that helped. I can walk pretty much pain free now, so I'm hoping for a couple of weeks. *shudder* Are you going to go to the Dr? Nothing worse than thinking you're good, starting to train again and then one weird slip your knee moves how it shouldn't.
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Jun 19, 2012 16:59
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Part of the reason leg attacks terrify me is that my gym has basically no one with any leg game. I mean, Mark Schultz showed us some good heel hook / Achilles lock attacks when he was in town and one of our guys has been tapping everyone with a kimura-into-kneebar he learned in judo(!?), but everything else is some cargo-cult youtube-ninja poo poo. We've got the no-gi state championship in September, so I guess I know what we've got to focus on for the next three months.  e: BN, you should really get checked out. It's a quick test by your doctor to see if you've a tear in your knee, and it's better to find out there than it is to find out when you knee buckles going down the stairs.
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Jun 19, 2012 18:01
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I'm not really sure if it's a 'quick test' because the doc was only able to diagnose my torn meniscus after an MRI.
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Jun 19, 2012 18:11
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origami posted:I'm not really sure if it's a 'quick test' because the doc was only able to diagnose my torn meniscus after an MRI. Ligaments are a much easier diagnosis, and tend to have more impact on joint stability.
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Jun 19, 2012 20:10
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Bohemian Nights posted:Here's my bronze match from the regional ADCC, and I'd love some feedback. Good stuff, nice fight. Some thoughts: Don't just sit on your rear end when it starts man, at least TRY a throw (yoko tomoe nage would have been good there). Also, your hips froze whenever you got him in your fullguard, which is where they should be super active. For example, at :23 where he's using his elbow to keep your arm away from your body, you can just sweep in that direction and make him post, or thread past his arm and underhook- you had to work really hard to force his hand down and it just telegraphed the leg triangle anyway. And you seemed unsure of where to put your left hand besides the neck (I see you flailing at :33). If it was controlling his right arm you would have been able to flow into an omoplata or kimura on that side after the triangle was blocked. Finally, I think you'd really benefit from some s-mount drills.
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Jun 19, 2012 23:42
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Nicely done Bohemian Nights, as a fellow does-gently caress-all-with-mount guy I don't think you were overly passive on top, your opponent was content to keep his elbows tucked and to attempt zero meaningful escapes for a while there and if you want to do that while mounted you can go ahead and remain mounted. I mostly look for guillotines, arm triangles and north south chokes from mount and occasionally feel mildly embarrassed for someone when they let me set up a triangle from mount. Other guy did seem to have an appropriate fondness for leg locks for a spats wearing guy but nothing looked terribly dangerous. Also he was a mess doing anything but trying to heel hook you from one leg x from the bottom so if you can wrestle at all I'd not pull guard so immediately. As for feedback I'd prefer to have an underhook when working from half guard, which you didn't seem to be looking for. There were a couple of instances early in the match where it looked like you could look to work some butterfly guard or one leg x guard and you seemed to generally prefer looking to regain full guard. That's not a problem but again absolutely the opposite of my own preferences because my guard is really awful, what's your open guard game based around?
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Bohemian Nights posted:Here's my bronze match from the regional ADCC, and I'd love some feedback. A few thoughts - If you're going to push his arms down while in mount like at 4:27, don't do it with a flared elbow - posture up a little, glue your elbow to your ribs and then drive your weight down. It puts your body weight being your hand instead of just trying to use arm muscle. Good sweep from the half guard, and good awareness of your leg positioning when he was attacking with leglocks. Triangling your legs in closed guard kills your hip movement and thus severely limits your offense. You should really only do it if you're up on points and stalling for time, which you weren't. When you're body-triangling from the back, try not to let him turn on his side so that your feet are against the ground - you want him turned on the other side, so that your knee is against the ground. It didn't wind up mattering in this match, but against a better guy it will.
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Jun 20, 2012 01:30
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Thoguh posted:With last night's matches, the U.S. Olympic Wrestling Team is set for August. The US has qualified at every weight for the men and four weights for the women. how do weigh ins work for Olympics, Day of or day before?
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Jun 20, 2012 03:56
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74KG: Jordan Burroughs is going to win the gold.
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Thank you so much for your feedback! CivilDisobedience: You're absolutely right about the triangle being telegraphed, and I need to look at my habit of grabbing people's neck to break their posture. I'm sure I would be much better served by going for an underhook instead. I love the s-guard, so I might as well look into the s-mount-- it's not a position I've been too heavily invested in, but I'm looking to somehow reinvent my game, so I'll give it a go! Grab Your Foot!: From the way you describe it, your top game is pretty much identical to my game when I'm comfortably flowing, which I never really feel like I am in this match. Most of my solid submissions aside from leg locks are from the bottom, but I've been trying to change that for years- I just haven't gotten quite past the control bit yet. Funny thing about the other guy going for leg locks; while he might just have seen the opportunity for the leg lock, I'd also been talking to him 10 minutes prior telling him about how I hosed up my knee (not the smartest move on my part!), so he might have been going for the kobra kai sweep the leg approach. As for the underhook, yeah, I'm definitely going to start to look for that more in general, and I always do when I go for my butterfly sweep, which is one of my go-to moves. My open guard is usually based around the butterfly or S-guard, but the latter is pretty much something that has grown by itself and might be more of a detriment than a boon, and I'm not even sure if that's the right name for it, but I sure do love me some knee shields and scissor sweeps from it. As for this match, I felt more comfortable (less terrified) going for the closed guard until I had a feel of the opponent, but in an ideal world I'd have probably worked my butterflies a lot more, or better yet, tried to take him down. I was really lucky the dude was so eager to engage me and let me tie him up so easily, or the match would have gone very differently. Fatherdog: For someone with arms as tiny as mine, you'd think I'd be better at using body mechanics instead of trying to muscle things out, but you're absolutely right about driving my weight down instead of just using arm. I wasn't up on points when I leg triangled, but it was several minutes left until they started counting points at all, so I feel like buying some time there wasn't the worst thing I could have done, but I should definitely have tried to work some kind of sweep instead of locking him up- but squeezing the body triangle (from the back, at least) paid dividends later on when he ended up being completely exhausted from my constant pressure. I should definitely have flipped him over to the other side, and I do try it a few times, but with the body triangle locked up, I found him hard to move over, and I was reluctant to go back to my hooks- but I also felt like the position was pretty solid with my foot planted on the ground, and more importantly at that moment, it was pain free for my knee  Thanks again for the feedback and criticism! I've got a lot to work on, and I'm going to try to be more celebral about my game. Apparently there was a photographer at the event. A perfectly captured picture of me making the wrong decision on attack or defense. Not captured: Tapping five seconds later. I don't really feel too bad about this loss, because more than any other it taught me a lesson about not being a loving idiot, and I think I'll remember this situation longer than any other lesson I've learned in this competition:   E; Also, Jon Olav Einemo was there and broke down the ADCC rules. 
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Jun 20, 2012 15:05
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BlindSite posted:how do weigh ins work for Olympics, Day of or day before? The evening before. Same for Judo.
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Jun 20, 2012 16:50
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Can anyone name the move that Chael does at :51 in this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhI1t6PvXUg
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Jun 22, 2012 13:55
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huh posted:Can anyone name the move that Chael does at :51 in this video? Dan Henderson calls that move, 'Wrestling.'
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Jun 22, 2012 18:35
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huh posted:Can anyone name the move that Chael does at :51 in this video? I've only heard that general class of move called a "shuck". No idea what the specific name would be, if it has one at all.
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Jun 22, 2012 20:59
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huh posted:Can anyone name the move that Chael does at :51 in this video? Looks like a slideby, although you see that more from a collar and elbow tie.
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Jun 22, 2012 21:23
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http://po.st/AoQ5pN Rener Gracie rolling with a purple belt with both of his hands tied. The ankle pick near the end is awesome.
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Jun 25, 2012 22:42
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Does anyone here do sandbag training as a form of conditioning? I'm thinking of buying a duffel bag at the surplus store and some builder sand to make my own. I think it would be awesome for grip and that the type of strength and conditionning it would build would be great to complement my regular resistance training for judo and bjj. If anyone else does it, do you have a list of exercises that would be great? Or even better a link to a video of a routine that works great for you if you took it from youtube?
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Jun 27, 2012 22:24
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KingColliwog posted:Does anyone here do sandbag training as a form of conditioning? I'm thinking of buying a duffel bag at the surplus store and some builder sand to make my own. I think it would be awesome for grip and that the type of strength and conditionning it would build would be great to complement my regular resistance training for judo and bjj. Turkish getups with a sandbag are...fun. Try these along with doing 400-800m of running for a quick 20m workout. Something like 20 TGU, 400m sprint, 15 TGU, 400m sprint, 10 TGU, 400m sprint, 5 TGU, 800m sprint. There is other stuff you can do but this is a quick and easy conditioning workout.
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the yellow dart posted:Turkish getups with a sandbag are...fun. Try these along with doing 400-800m of running for a quick 20m workout. Something like 20 TGU, 400m sprint, 15 TGU, 400m sprint, 10 TGU, 400m sprint, 5 TGU, 800m sprint. There is other stuff you can do but this is a quick and easy conditioning workout. nice, just wondering though. isn't running with weights horrible for your knees?
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I don't think you're supposed to run with the bag. Weighted sprints are the poo poo if you want to ruin your hips and movement patterns.
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As someone just getting over knee surgery the idea of weighted sprints sounds like pretty much the worst thing.
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Jun 28, 2012 06:44
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I think he is saying run then lift then run. Farmer carriers are good too: just pick up the bag and walk it however many feet you want. Don't run just carry it in your arms.
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Jun 28, 2012 15:14
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Xguard86 posted:I think he is saying run then lift then run. Farmer carriers are good too: just pick up the bag and walk it however many feet you want. Don't run just carry it in your arms. hahaha, yeah this would make more sense!! Yeah so I think I have a good pool of exercises to do now. I just bought the duffel bag and will be getting the sand and other stuff I need to fill the bag later today. I'll try the thing at the end of my shift tonight and tell you guys how it went. Thanks
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How useful are wrist locks really? I ask because I've never seen one used in MMA and I don't think I've seen one used in grappling competitions either (although it can be hard to tell what submission ended a match in youtube videos). Also, does a gi's color make any difference when it comes to heat retention? I would imagine that dark gis get a lot hotter but you never know.
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Jun 28, 2012 21:00
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Wrist locks are like anything else. They work in certain situations, but I'd say they are a bit more useful in the gi. Almost every time I've been wrist locked it's been because of a grip I had on another person's jacket. I don't find darker gis to retain more heat. I doubt it makes any difference unless you were training in the sun.
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Jun 28, 2012 21:11
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You won't see them in MMA because you'd have to grab the glove for most of them. I've seen matches end with a wristlock at some competitions I've been to but they're not at all common
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Xguard86 posted:I think he is saying run then lift then run. Farmer carriers are good too: just pick up the bag and walk it however many feet you want. Don't run just carry it in your arms. Yes don't run with the bag, do the get ups, put bag down, then run. Farmer's carries are great with sandbags also, along with any variety of squat, clean, weighted crunches, etc.
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I'm the last person to ask but hopefully someone will tell me if and how I'm wrong. My impression had been that wristlocks are often more about the threat than the execution. They're present in a huge number of positions, and often people don't see them coming. But in many cases they seem relatively easy to escape because your opponent can move a lot of different ways (both shoulder and elbow, as opposed to an armbar). So you would threaten them to keep your opponent off guard, or make him hesitant about extending his arms for collar grips, or stuff like that? Though of course there are so many wristlock setups that it's probably hard to generalize.
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Jun 28, 2012 23:38
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the only fight i ever won was in like 7th grade when this dude punched me and i did that steven seagal move where i grabbed his hand and basically did a little pirouette. based on that i would say that wristlocks are extremely effective.
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Jun 28, 2012 23:47
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Wristlocks often have very precise areas between "whats this dude doing holding my hand" and "OH gently caress, JESUS MY ARM!!!" I used to think they were a big loving joke till I went to a seminar and had a 6th dan Hapkido black belt show me through some wrist locks. Some of those locks hurt more than anything I've had put on me in BJJ. Some of their guys were really quick to get them on even during sparring. Even rolling with them it was hard to get and maintain wrist control. Even he said most of the time people don't get how effective they can be because they've either had a poo poo coach doing a bad demo or they see a youtube video, try it on their buddies, don't do it right and fail to get a reaction. I'm flexible as all get out too.
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some wristlocks are just available, as in they arent something you aim for. For example, Royce Gracie in an MMA fight had an omoplata on someone (can't remember who), couldn't finish it because the guy's shoulders were too big, so he just finished it with a wristlock. I mean, that looks like an omoplata finish but its technically not. Also they come available in triangle positions, and in fighting for the armbar. Its nice thing to be aware of, but they're hard to hit because you need the position, and usually there are higher percentage moves to hit then the wristlock.
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Super Joe posted:How useful are wrist locks really? I ask because I've never seen one used in MMA and I don't think I've seen one used in grappling competitions either (although it can be hard to tell what submission ended a match in youtube videos). Wrist locks are actually very effective, but you shouldn't think of them as subs. Subs are put on slowly to cause an opponent to feel pain and submit before injury, but wrist locks are most effective as control positions and breaks. Hapkido/aikido practitioners often throw using wristlocks, but people misunderstand: those moves are designed to break wrists, they don't expect opponents to have the presence of mind to take a fall in a real fight, because the locks don't really hurt so the injury comes as a surprise. In ground grappling they're effective for undermining the strength people get from their posture. For example, when you get to that point that your kimura or arm bar is locked in, but they're still clenching so hard that you can't finish the sub, flexing the wrist can be an easy way to take the strength out of their arm/elbow. As far as gi color, I haven't noticed any significant difference between white, blue, and black. Darker colors retain more heat from light sources, but I don't think that makes a big difference in grappling.
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Super Joe posted:
The weave makes the difference in heat, my double weave is brutal to train in. Unless you're outside in the sun the color will not make a difference. The type of weave and weight of the gi will though.
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Jun 29, 2012 02:01
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Yeah in principle the white cloth would emit a little more heat even in the shade, but in reality if you're not in direct sunlight I have to think it's all about the air circulation. Open up your gi and fan some cool air in, then tie it back up. It's not so bad for a moment when it's against your skin, because the gi itself isn't so hot; that's not the issue (although admittedly mine is white). But wait a couple seconds and it'll be a sauna again.
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McNerd posted:I'm the last person to ask but hopefully someone will tell me if and how I'm wrong. This is exactly how my instructor uses wristlocks. It's rarely a submission but trying to escape one usually leads to bad things.
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the yellow dart posted:Yes don't run with the bag, do the get ups, put bag down, then run. Farmer's carries are great with sandbags also, along with any variety of squat, clean, weighted crunches, etc. gently caress this poo poo... I filled my (too huge) duffel bag with about 70 pounds (may be more, it was wet and I didn't weight it. Bag said 70 pounds) of sand and that thing is stupid. drat, I feel like I will have a nice love/hate relationship with that canvas bag. At the very least it will give me great core strength. Only played around with the bag a little bit to see how it was since I already had a big lifting day and was tired, but this thing is going to kick my rear end.
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