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VideoTapir posted:from that article: It can definitely get worse at ADX Florence- a lot worse.
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http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/06/17/501097/arizona-sheriff-joe-arpaio-arrests-6-year-old-undocumented-immigrant/ Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio Arrests 6-Year-Old Undocumented Immigrant quote:Joe Arpaio, the controversial Arizona Sheriff from Maricaopa County, arrested a 6-year-old undocumented immigrant on Friday. The move came the same day President Obama announced a new policy halting deportations for young undocumented immigrants.
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"Are we going to get more of these situations where illegals feel like now they’re going to be safe? I don’t know,” Ahahaha, Jesus, God forbid people 'feel safe', can't have any of that poo poo.
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Down Right Fierce posted:"Are we going to get more of these situations where illegals feel like now they’re going to be safe? I don’t know,” Note how he called them "illegals" instead of "people" or "human beings".
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Heard a decent segment on NPR about the use of solitary, and how a bunch of states are beginning to (slowly) pull back on its use. I guess it has to do with ongoing congressional hearings. To my surprise, it almost sounded like some prison admins 'get it.' I'll wait until something actually happens before I smile too hard, but it was nice to hear something other than total poo poo.... http://www.npr.org/series/5584841/life-in-solitary-confinement
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Down Right Fierce posted:"Are we going to get more of these situations where illegals feel like now they’re going to be safe? I don’t know,” That man has a very special room in hell waiting for him.
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Jun 20, 2012 02:25
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The only Hell that exists is Maricopa County.
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YOUR UNCOOL NIECE posted:Heard a decent segment on NPR about the use of solitary, and how a bunch of states are beginning to (slowly) pull back on its use. I guess it has to do with ongoing congressional hearings. To my surprise, it almost sounded like some prison admins 'get it.' I think all the admins 'get' is that their state's fiscal interests align for the moment with human interests. But I'll take anything we can get.
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joat mon posted:But I'll take anything we can get. Amen.
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VideoTapir posted:The only Hell that exists is Maricopa County. I thought that was Texas? Or is Texas just Purgatory?
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Yes, Joe, I can see it now, wave of brown 6-year old girls running toward the AZ border. Get bent, Jackass.
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http://www.gainesville.com/article/20120614/ARTICLES/120619789?tc=ar 65 year old veteran gets a 20 year sentence for firing a few shots into the ground. The prosecutor has the gall to APPEAL THE loving CASE when it gets overturned.
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nm posted:Yes, Joe, I can see it now, wave of brown 6-year old girls running toward the AZ border. They'll never make it through the tire trench.
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-Troika- posted:http://www.gainesville.com/article/20120614/ARTICLES/120619789?tc=ar Good to know that the George Zimmerman prosecutor has found his claim to fame. What does a society do when everything about it
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Hey GOP gently caress you http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/06/20/503226/american-action-forum-prison-rape/ quote:A right-wing “think tank” released a report today criticizing the Obama administration’s new anti-prison rape protections as a “burden” that is too “costly” and “heavy-handed.” God forbid we put money to prevent rapes.
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You'd think the GOP would oppose prison rape on the grounds that rape isn't family friendly, and also that the 'homosexuality' (ignoring the reality of contextual sexuality not necessarily reflecting ordinary orientation, likewise with non-consensual acts) is wrong.
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A lot of people- including a lot of people that you might have otherwise thought were not contemptible pieces of poo poo- think prison rape is the best thing ever. They love it, they joke about it, and they think, like many ignorant assholes, that it's a crime deterrent. If you had the ability to ascend into the collective unconscious and surgically excise ideas from humanity, "harsh punishments deter people from doing things" would be a great first pick.
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Yeah, it comes up time and time again and I know that in my experience, people will make prison rape jokes even about people who were known to be innocent. It normally goes "Don't drop the soap." Oh so sexual assault and prison rape are funny? "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time." Oh, even if they are innocent and proven so beyond a shadow of a doubt? "Well that... wha... hu... hmm." Like, people just kind of stare off at that point. Its just world and desensitization, at least in my experience dealing with it.
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Pope Guilty posted:A lot of people- including a lot of people that you might have otherwise thought were not contemptible pieces of poo poo- think prison rape is the best thing ever. They love it, they joke about it, and they think, like many ignorant assholes, that it's a crime deterrent. Actually, about that... 
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Loomer posted:You'd think the GOP would oppose prison rape on the grounds that rape isn't family friendly, and also that the 'homosexuality' (ignoring the reality of contextual sexuality not necessarily reflecting ordinary orientation, likewise with non-consensual acts) is wrong. No but see, it's OK because it's punishing criminals, see? If they didn't want to get raped they'd never have committed a crime that would send them to jail. And if they committed a crime because they were starving and couldn't afford food, so they stole something, well, they shouldn't have chosen to be poor, you know? They were asking for it.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:No but see, it's OK because it's punishing criminals, see? If they didn't want to get raped they'd never have committed a crime that would send them to jail. And if they committed a crime because they were starving and couldn't afford food, so they stole something, well, they shouldn't have chosen to be poor, you know? -What most people in America seem to believe. They also refuse to acknowledge that the guy that want to have raped in prison -- the scary murderer, the gang banger, will be the perp in prison. The victim is that 18 year ols we sent in for simple possession or petty theft. (Sex Offenders are not generally put in PC, so they don't see the "punishment" people so want.) Of course, even if these scary people were the ones getting raped, it would still be intolerable.
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Loomer posted:You'd think the GOP would oppose prison rape on the grounds that rape isn't family friendly, and also that the 'homosexuality' (ignoring the reality of contextual sexuality not necessarily reflecting ordinary orientation, likewise with non-consensual acts) is wrong. There were actually some Freepers who used this exact logic to grudgingly admit that Obama was right for once in a broken clock sort of way.
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There's also the whole notion of the purpose of prison and what people think it actually is for. There are a lot of different responses to that but the one that stands out most to me is when people agree that someone has "served their time and paid their debt to society" and then turn around and refuse to deal with anyone who ever served time because they are criminals and will surely just committ more crime (even if they were innocent the first time!). Theres also the people who don't see how treating a human like some kind of an animal and tossing them into a nightmarish hellhole for any length of time might be a bad thing and have negative effects on the person when they are released back into society (the answer, of course, is to just never let anyone reenter society and keep them on a prison planet forever like the Chronicles of Riddick).
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http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.htmlquote:Ninth Circuit to DEA: putting a gun to an 11-year-old's head is not OK
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 http://www.scotusblog.com/2012/06/opinion-recap-easing-the-crack-disparity/#more-147186 The SC ruled that anyone who is awaiting sentencing but not in the slammer yet can take advantage of the Fair Sentencing Act.
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-Troika- posted:http://www.gainesville.com/article/20120614/ARTICLES/120619789?tc=ar Did you actually read the article you posted? All four pages? Because the second sentence is a completely inaccurate description of the case. First of all, the man was convicted of aggravated assault involving the discharge of a firearm - he pulled a gun on a bunch of unarmed teenagers, and fired it several times. However, the original trial judge not only ignored mandatory sentencing laws when sentencing the man (giving him only a 3-year sentence instead of the legally-mandated 20 years), he decided to outright declare the mandatory minimum sentencing law to be unconstitutional. Now, Florida's 10-20-Life law, which mandates 10 years for any crime in which a firearm was involved and 20 years if the firearm was discharged during commission of the crime, is virtually indefensible. Like all minimum-sentencing laws, it's immoral, it's ineffective at either deterrence or rehabilitation, and judges hate it with a passion. However, none of those things mean that it's necessarily unconstitutional. A verdict like that reaches way beyond that one man's sentence - it sets a precedent that could affect court cases all over the jurisdiction. There was absolutely no way in hell it wasn't going to be appealed - and, unfortunately, overturned.
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What the hell is so hard about getting the right address? I feel like the government should hire me as a consultant for $500 an hour where I can review these cases and I can determine the answers to such questions like "Is this the right address?" and "Should we even bother raiding the home?"
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Harry posted:What the hell is so hard about getting the right address? I feel like the government should hire me as a consultant for $500 an hour where I can review these cases and I can determine the answers to such questions like "Is this the right address?" and "Should we even bother raiding the home?" Sounds like there needs to be a better incentive to get the right address. How about this: quote:In Indiana, police officers are upset over a new law allowing residents to use deadly force against public servants, including law enforcement officers, who unlawfully enter their homes. KingEup fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Jun 23, 2012 |
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Harry posted:What the hell is so hard about getting the right address? I feel like the government should hire me as a consultant for $500 an hour where I can review these cases and I can determine the answers to such questions like "Is this the right address?" and "Should we even bother raiding the home?" They get to rough up twice as many people if they get the house wrong first. Shoot twice as many pets. Knock over twice as much furniture. Why would you want to get it right (if you were a cop who signed up to do these things)?
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Harry posted:What the hell is so hard about getting the right address? I feel like the government should hire me as a consultant for $500 an hour where I can review these cases and I can determine the answers to such questions like "Is this the right address?" and "Should we even bother raiding the home?" Well, the article states that the incorrect address was the product of "a sloppy license plate transcription" - meaning that a person with poor handwriting wrote down the license plate # of a car that the druglord was suspected to be in, but when somebody else looked up the address associated with that license plate, they misread the written-down number and thus looked up the info associated with a different car. It's not really that unreasonable of a mistake to make, which is why cops shouldn't default to "kick in the door and bring everyone inside to the ground at gunpoint", because information is never perfect, mistakes are made, and cases of mistaken identity happen all the time. In this case, it doesn't really matter if the address was correct or not, because the trial court found that holding a gun to an 11-year-old's head would have been unreasonable even if it were the right house.
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http://ideas.time.com/2012/06/25/its-time-to-end-solitary-confinement-in-american-prisons/ Time article about solitary. Decent overall I guess, but it contains this soul-shattering conclusion. quote:The anti-solitary confinement campaign has one more factor working in its favor: the current weak economy. At the hearing, Senator Durbin noted that solitary confinement is extremely expensive. His state’s Supermax prison cost more than $61,000 per inmate in 2010, compared to about $22,000 for other prisons. With government budgets hard-pressed these days, solitary confinement may simply be a practice we can no longer afford. Yes that's the right reason to stop torture. 
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Well, the Supreme Court ruled no life without parole for 14 year olds. I guess this is good news, but really it's bad news this was even up for debate. And there are actually people criticizing the decision in the comments section. http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/25/justice/scotus-juvenile-life-sentences/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
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BelgianSandwich posted:Well, the Supreme Court ruled no life without parole for 14 year olds. I guess this is good news, but really it's bad news this was even up for debate. And there are actually people criticizing the decision in the comments section. So, what happens to the 2500 people currently in jail with this sentence?
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BelgianSandwich posted:Well, the Supreme Court ruled no life without parole for 14 year olds. I guess this is good news, but really it's bad news this was even up for debate. And there are actually people criticizing the decision in the comments section. Minor correction: only mandatory JLWOP is unconstitutional. There are still--and will continue to be--only a handful of states that do not allow this sentencing option at all. Pillowpants posted:So, what happens to the 2500 people currently in jail with this sentence? I believe it's resentencing hearings, but only for those sentenced under a mandatory JLWOP structure. All the discretionaries are SOL. Even so, an important (if incremental) step towards progress.
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Nice Davis posted:Minor correction: only mandatory JLWOP is unconstitutional. So you can still send kids to jail for literally ever? Just as long as their crime could allow 25-to?
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YOUR UNCOOL NIECE posted:So you can still send kids to jail for literally ever? Just as long as their crime could allow 25-to?
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Kugyou no Tenshi posted:As long as the sentencing authority has discretion, yup. Can we just post 'DTA' in this post-LF world or what's the right protocol here??
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Yeah so instead of sentencing them to life without parole, we can sentence them to life with the possibility of parole and then just never give it to them. Way to go!
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While it's a lazy way to respond on my part there really is no reason to even enter into the narrative. There is no debate and there is no discussion here. What we have is a system that is horrifically efficient in making money. If the PIC finds out that they can save a dime by pumping in sewage instead of clean drinking water you can bet your bottom loving dollar they will do it. It's not right vs. wrong. It's just cold calculated business. In regards to the earlier post about the woman being restrained during child birth, most people who we can still classify as a human being can see that it's wrong. However I think the dialog about the intent of why it occurs is incorrect. I believe that power tripping poo poo head officers are obviously a reality, but the truth is more likely to be this: Prisons are very large efficiently ran corporations, at some point some smart guy in front of an excel document noticed they were a hair off what they should be spending for insurance for officers. Some lawyers and accountants figured out that if they remove any risk of a woman kicking a cop in balls during child birth they can save ~0.42% on their insurance premiums. poo poo is hosed up because it's very profitable for it to be that way.
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YOUR UNCOOL NIECE posted:So you can still send kids to jail for literally ever? Just as long as their crime could allow 25-to? Yes, but only if they've committed murder. And the fact that it's progress can't be minimized, since the court is moving to restrict the use of such punishments against juveniles at a rather quick pace - the Supreme Court only abolished the use of the death penalty against minors in 2005.
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