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SeanBeansShako posted:I hope the awful looking Scooby Doo Egyptians don't return though. Yeah, yet another Greek clone to play as would be wonderful. How about they focus on fun rather than realism?
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# ? Jun 21, 2012 22:03 |
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Farecoal posted:Yeah, yet another Greek clone to play as would be wonderful. How about they focus on fun rather than realism? To ignore the cultural impacts of Greece and Alexander The Greats conquest would be plain stupid in a game set in the Classical era. I'm sorry you hate history. Also, Greeco-Egyptian cultural wasn't that identical too. You seem to think you'll just get slightly browner phalanxes.
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# ? Jun 21, 2012 22:07 |
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SeanBeansShako posted:To ignore the cultural impacts of Greece and Alexander The Greats conquest would be plain stupid in a game set in the Classical era. I'm sorry you hate history. I love history, I play Paradox games a poo poo ton, but Total War seems, to me anyway, to be more about what's fun/cool* than historical. And about the "slightly browner phalanxes", isn't that exactly what RTW/EB did? *See: defeating the Carthaginians with an army of greased pigs and dogs. Farecoal fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Jun 21, 2012 |
# ? Jun 21, 2012 22:30 |
The point is though RTW's Egyptians were almost offensively dumb looking and cheesy to me. I'm hoping non Roman factions get a little more research and detail this time around.
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# ? Jun 21, 2012 22:41 |
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SeanBeansShako posted:The point is though RTW's Egyptians were almost offensively dumb looking and cheesy to me. I vaguely remember a Q&A or interview where a CA employee said something to the effects that they intentionally put in the anachronistic New Kingdom instead of the Ptolemaic Kingdom for the exact reason of avoiding "slightly browner phalanxes" because there were so many Alexandrian factions already and fans wanted ancient Egypt even if it wasn't 100% accurate.
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# ? Jun 21, 2012 22:55 |
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Farecoal posted:I love history, I play Paradox games a poo poo ton, but Total War seems, to me anyway, to be more about what's fun/cool* than historical. And about the "slightly browner phalanxes", isn't that exactly what RTW/EB did? This is another reason why I love Roma Surrectum, because the sheer number of units and the colourful designs on the shields and uniforms means you don't get this problem. That and the ridiculous number of mercs and regional troops.
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 00:20 |
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It's like the Egyptians in RTW were designed by someone who had no research material to work with except a DVD of "The Mummy". I get "fun over realism" but when the game takes place in a certain historical time period it's stupid to literally transform an entire civilization into some bizarre poo poo that never existed just to shake things up. Here are some other possible changes to history to make things more fun: Total War: Three Kingdoms - All Chinese units kung-fu fight only, no weapons Napoleon Total War - Empire of Russia is now the Soviet Union to provide more variety Medieval Total War - New Italian unit, the "Mafia Hitmen". Just send them a target and "bada bing, bada bang!" Empire Total War - All American units replaced with cowboys
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 01:14 |
They could have made a Greeco-Egyptian faction at least vaguely better looking than generic stereotypes on chariots. On a slightly different note I'm quite eager to see how they'd pull of the Naval Combat of the era too.
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 01:28 |
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Asehujiko posted:I vaguely remember a Q&A or interview where a CA employee said something to the effects that they intentionally put in the anachronistic New Kingdom instead of the Ptolemaic Kingdom for the exact reason of avoiding "slightly browner phalanxes" because there were so many Alexandrian factions already and fans wanted ancient Egypt even if it wasn't 100% accurate. This. Phalanxes are loving boring to fight and what was even more stupid was that because they couldn't get into formation on a city wall the best way to beat them was to force the AI into a series of city assaults. I don't care that the Game Egyptians are in the wrong time period, I want to play a game that has a varied set of unique factions. It should be a unique experience fighting each nation.
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 01:33 |
But fighting dumb looking chariots is equally boring?
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 01:33 |
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Flippycunt posted:Here are some other possible changes to history to make things more fun:
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 01:54 |
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^^^^^ I unironically agreeSeanBeansShako posted:But fighting dumb looking chariots is equally boring? No it isn't, and how are they dumb looking?
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 01:54 |
Farecoal posted:^^^^^ I unironically agree They are dumb looking because when they are action it turns into a circus. It is clear at this point we both have completely different view points on what we want in Total War games and going on is going to just drag this topic down now so I'm shutting up.
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 01:57 |
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Chariots are awesome end of discussion. There's pretty much no way they aren't doing Rome next. It's one of their most popular titles and the only time period they haven't revisited yet. As much as I love Shogun 2 I'm ready for it. I miss elephants and slings and javelins and phalanxes and shields and war dogs and chariots and legions and all the crazy old world stuff Rome has to offer. I'm slightly less jazzed about staring at yet another map of Europe but what can you do?
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 02:23 |
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Still holding out hope for a Total War game about the early modern period. I want to see cavaliers in action, damnit! Tercios facing off Gustav's musketeers! Big floppy hats!
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 02:28 |
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Zettace posted:I would totally play a Stereotype: Total War game.
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 02:40 |
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Medieval 3: Oh poo poo they've got Bear Cavalry!
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 07:17 |
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I miss the goofy ninja Roman supermen who were just insanely retarded. Speaking of which I love how nobodies talked about how ninjas/geisha assassins exist in Shogun 2 when they most certainly did not in real history.
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 07:27 |
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Farecoal posted:I love history, I play Paradox games a poo poo ton, but Total War seems, to me anyway, to be more about what's fun/cool* than historical. And about the "slightly browner phalanxes", isn't that exactly what RTW/EB did? Alchenar posted:This. Plus, that's ignoring just how varied and rich the EB middle eastern experience was. The Ptolemy empire had light phalanxes supported by Nubians, native Egyptian assault troops and rear end kicking Galatian Gauls. Pontus was based on flexible phalanxes supported by Anatolian and Armenian light infantry and archers, with dreaded heavy cavalry supporting them. The Seleucids had everything from Macedonian classical Phalanxes to Jewish infantry to Iranian spearmen to Afgan axe wielding assault troops. Even Macedonia itself was extremely varied. It's core was phalanx based but it had the support of a massive amount of cavalry and various Thracian, Greek, Gaul, Getai and other tribes' support. It turns out that if you're not an inbreded ignorant that has gently caress all knowledge of history you could make a fascinating game based on the Classical era without resorting to Phalanx or Legionnaire only units
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 09:17 |
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I will buy Rome 2 day one if dogs of war and a blood option like the blood pack dlc are in it. I really dig gunpowder era stuff personally but the dogs and elephants in Rome made things really fun. That's not to say I wouldn't totally be down with a civil war entry if it came first. An even more expansive FOTS system based on the bloodiest war in American history? Could be amazing.
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 10:46 |
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They need to hire those Russians from the Warhammer mod because that thing is pretty good when it doesn't crash.
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 11:04 |
Spaceman Future! posted:That's not to say I wouldn't totally be down with a civil war entry if it came first. An even more expansive FOTS system based on the bloodiest war in American history? Could be amazing. FOTS is pretty much the perfect mid Victorian era battle simulator for this. Considering out of the blue they dusted off NTW and dropped some unit DLC for it it could happen if they need a little extra funding for the next project. They'd need to reskin some stuff, throw in a few new models or reskins from NTW and hire some American voice actors and fluff up a detailed map of North America and you can go hog wild. I do hope whatever the next one is they keep the direct control of artillery feature. That was kinda fun. Now we can snipe generals with burning pitch covered rocks!
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 15:16 |
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God drat it, I can't seem to play any mods in RTW in steam! It keeps showing up as "steam not found!" I just reinstalled steam to a different folder and it still gives me the error! What can I do to stop them from happening! it's so loving annoying!
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 15:18 |
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Supeerme posted:God drat it, I can't seem to play any mods in RTW in steam! It keeps showing up as "steam not found!" I just reinstalled steam to a different folder and it still gives me the error! What can I do to stop them from happening! it's so loving annoying! Failing that, crack the game.
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 16:20 |
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Well it seems that steam doesn't like mods that much. i am trying to get RS2 going but can anyone tell me why is there so many folders named_play_rome and stuff? I still get the error. this error was around before I added mods. WHy did they gently caress up so badly!? I got testapp and the exe that still is broken. Supeerme fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Jun 22, 2012 |
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Supeerme posted:Well it seems that steam doesn't like mods that much. i am trying to get RS2 going but can anyone tell me why is there so many folders named_play_rome and stuff? Watch and obey! And the multiple folders is because they have a separate campaign start for each faction i.e Rome has Hannibal with a big army in their faces but for everyone else he's still chillin' in Spain.
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 17:47 |
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I don't think this has been posted yet... The latest issue of Australian games mag PC PowerPlay has this on its back page: They correctly teased Dead Souls PC in a similar fashion and they've had lots of Total War news in the past. And apparently there's supposed to be a Total War announcement at Rezzed on July 6...
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 18:15 |
The plot thickens. Time to dig out my HBO's Rome DVDs.
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 18:29 |
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MadJackMcJack posted:Watch and obey! I fixed it myself. I all I had to do was to crack the exe. I am a bit confused by the sheer numbers of units and buildings though.
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 18:51 |
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The Kins posted:I don't think this has been posted yet... Oh my goooood. Please don't screw this up TCA.
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 19:00 |
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In the eventuality that the July 6 announcement is indeed R2TW, do you guys predict that it would then release before or after Europa Barbarorum II?
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 19:05 |
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Roll on series 3 of Time Commanders.
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 19:07 |
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Imapanda posted:Oh my goooood. If it's on a new engine then odds are it will be both amazing and terrible at the same time.
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 19:10 |
Plavski posted:Roll on series 3 of Time Commanders. Seriously. Roman, Napoleonic and with a little bit of modding to make the graphics look pretty 18th century history and hilariously badly done battles for the masses!
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 19:12 |
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The Kins posted:I don't think this has been posted yet... If they're going with the three family poo poo again i'm not even bothering with this.
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 19:27 |
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Mans posted:If they're going with the three family poo poo again i'm not even bothering with this. ...It's a screenshot from the original.
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 19:32 |
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Coolodile posted:...It's a screenshot from the original. Oh...yes it is, i knew that
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 19:42 |
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That's a screenshot from the original RTW though. edit: drat
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 19:58 |
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The Kins posted:I don't think this has been posted yet... Yes! poo poo is going to rock! CA can take their sweet time on it, I want this to be perfect.
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 21:20 |
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The best thing about Rome 2 is that it'll give us at least two more Total War games' breathing space after it before people start clamouring for Rome 3.
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 21:24 |