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Literally Sharks posted:More or less the same time? The Miles hit B2 three years after they hit B1. I'm not sure, do we know for sure that Dirk and Roxy are 413 years in the future of Jane and Jake and not 411 years? And even so, on a universal scale 2-3 years is cheap change so it's still more or less the same.
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YF-23 posted:I'm not sure, do we know for sure that Dirk and Roxy are 413 years in the future of Jane and Jake and not 411 years? We do. For one example, take a look at this conversation, which took place on Jake's 13th birthday.  Jake's 13th birthday took place just under three years ago. quote:And even so, on a universal scale 2-3 years is cheap change so it's still more or less the same. But it's literally a perfect example of what UU was talking about. Some universal instances can be located deeper inside Bilious Slick than others (or simply farther away from the Miles' primary point of entry, which in this case was BSlick's right eye), and as such the Miles can take longer to reach them. Iny fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Jun 22, 2012 |
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Jun 22, 2012 21:56
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The year 2422 is the same time red miles hit in B1: 2009 + 413.
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Jun 22, 2012 22:13
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Nate RFB posted:The year 2422 is the same time red miles hit in B1: 2009 + 413. Yes. Which is why it's noteworthy that the Miles didn't hit B2 until two and a half years after that conversation occurred.
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Literally Sharks posted:But it's literally a perfect example of what UU was talking about. Some universal instances can be located deeper inside Bilious Slick than others (or simply farther away from the Miles' primary point of entry, which in this case was BSlick's right eye), and as such the Miles can take longer to reach them. I still think there's more to it than these two instances that will be important. Roxy's and Dirk's present could have been 411 years after 2011 with no fuss other than the arbitrary and ultimately ambiguously important figure of setting the two pairs of kids 413 years apart. Then Hussie could've avoided having to come up with an explanation like this, which if not reused for further plot elements would appear like a DEM and an asspull because of otherwise contradictory elements. I mean before Calliope explained this stuff, everyone had a pretty simple image of how BS worked: one frog, contains both pre- and post-scratch universes. That was it. There was no concept of BS having a depth in which universal iterations exist or anything of the sort. It could have been easily left at that too. But now we have a BS that contains an unspecified amount of iterations of the B universe, which will eventually die to Red Miles, but the door to more B-universes, including ones where they survive long enough for the sun to go Red Giant, is open. And I do not think it was opened for no reason than to tie up a mismatching pair of numbers.
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Jun 22, 2012 22:40
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So from what I'm gathering, Calliope is pretty much at the furthest point in the timeline, considering she has Rose's finished book and it's altered by Gamzee?
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Jun 23, 2012 00:58
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Norton Ghostride posted:So from what I'm gathering, Calliope is pretty much at the furthest point in the timeline, considering she has Rose's finished book and it's altered by Gamzee? The meteor is heading for the game session, not BSlick. This must be a different universe.
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Norton Ghostride posted:So from what I'm gathering, Calliope is pretty much at the furthest point in the timeline, considering she has Rose's finished book and it's altered by Gamzee? The death of her dreamself may occur after this. But other than that, yes. A lot of events are going to have to occur in our other protagonists' respective futures before her present situation can exist. KoB posted:The meteor is heading for the game session, not BSlick. This must be a different universe. I assume he's talking about the overall meta-chronology of the narrative, as opposed to any specific one of the eleven timelines we currently have running independently of one another. That is, her situation clearly depends on things that are going to happen in our protagonists' respective futures, and we haven't seen any other situations that require any specific event to take place in the future of this timeline. Iny fucked around with this message at 03:29 on Jun 23, 2012 |
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Jun 23, 2012 03:24
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So, Calliope is getting ready to switch with her brother. Time to play Guess What Happens Next! When UU switches to uu, the narrative will: A) continue from uu's perspective B) cut off abruptly and resume when UU awakens again later, perhaps in a perilous situation, denying us the ability to "play" as the future Lord English C) cut off abruptly in the end of the sub-act, giving us another meteor/battleship intermission D) switch back to the B2-kids, perhaps in a conversation between uu and someone to then later segue into choice A Place your bets now.
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Jun 23, 2012 04:38
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Bobulus posted:So, Calliope is getting ready to switch with her brother. Time to play Guess What Happens Next! Be uu Psyche! Be John Psyche! Be Dave Psyche! Be Jane Psyche! Be Roxy Psyche! You are now Slick
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Jun 23, 2012 04:47
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Bobulus posted:So, Calliope is getting ready to switch with her brother. Time to play Guess What Happens Next! E) Calliope gets in the sarswapagus, closes the lid, we see the eyes switch to red through the eyeholes, then it immediately cuts away
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Jun 23, 2012 04:48
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That's...options B through D?
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Well, the kids seem like they're in situations set up for an End of Act flash. So I'll assume Calliope and/or uu will get somewhere that will set them up for the EoA as well. Though we may go back to Dirk, Jane, and Jake before the EoA, since Jane isn't in the best position to help Roxy right now. Who knows.
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Jun 23, 2012 04:59
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Bobulus posted:So, Calliope is getting ready to switch with her brother. Time to play Guess What Happens Next! Continue from UU's dream self perspective. Also, I think the following is true: While one of them is awake, the other is in the dream self. There is, of course, only one body and one dream self, and the switch is between who is in which body. This makes the killing of Dream-UU a gambit by uu to gain permanent control of the body.
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I'm pretty sure there's two dreamselves. One's on Prospit and the other's on Derse, remember? Also, Sollux sets up the precedent that people with sharply dissimilar personalities (he was bipolar) get two dreamselves. Now I'm wondering if Gamzee had a second dreamself that no one knew about and that's how he went Godtier. We never saw Aradia's dreamself until [S] Wake, so it might have been a case of the narrative lying by omission. If the narrative does go to another intermission soon, I wonder if we could have UU experiencing her first dreambubble and meeting up with one of the two groups.
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Bobulus posted:I'm pretty sure there's two dreamselves. One's on Prospit and the other's on Derse, remember? Hmm, didn't remember that part. Yeah, probably two dreamselves, then. The murder could still be a gambit by uu for body control, though.
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Bobulus posted:I'm pretty sure there's two dreamselves. One's on Prospit and the other's on Derse, remember? Gamzee is god Tier? <_< When did this happen? Oh is that what that weird hat was all about in LoCaH?
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Yeah, for sure. Based on the answers Hussie has given, if the UU/uu body died on a quest bed, both UU and uu would go God-Tier, in their respective dreamself bodies. If uu manages to make it to a quest bed now, presumably he'd go God-tier and his sister would just...die. Which shows you how malicious he is, because right now, he could just stay in his Dreamself and let UU have the regular body and he'd be fine and she'd be fine. And he wouldn't even be trapped. Myrdhale posted:Gamzee is god Tier? <_< When did this happen? We don't know for sure if he's God-tier, but he's definitely wearing God-tier garb. When that tsunami in Japan happened, Hussie did commissioned sketches for money to donate to relief efforts, and one of the requests was God-tier Gamzee. Same costume. But as far as we know, his Dreamself died on Prospit with the rest of 'em. So how'd he go God-tier? Did his dreamself go wandering, high on soporslime, the way Roxy's does when she's drunk, and thus survive the destruction of Prospit? Did he somehow go God-tier before the destruction of Prospit, and no one noticed? Did he just stitch together a costume for laughs? We don't know. He is the wildcard. Bobulus fucked around with this message at 05:27 on Jun 23, 2012 |
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Wait, so if having two very distinct personalities (like being bipolar) gives you two dream selves, then does that mean that Sollux was cured of his bipolar when he came back as his dreamself? Because he was only one dreamself and therefore only one personality? Also I really hope uu isn't just Lord English plain and simple, because that would kind of kill the scare factor. I don't see "Okay, Dirk, draw me really really tame porn" as being the same character as the terrifying big flashing text Lord English that was screaming at Aradia's ancestor. There's obviously some connection, but I think something really serious has to happen to uu besides just killing UU to make him that scary.
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QueerPope posted:Wait, so if having two very distinct personalities (like being bipolar) gives you two dream selves, then does that mean that Sollux was cured of his bipolar when he came back as his dreamself? Because he was only one dreamself and therefore only one personality? Well, it wasn't actually his bipolar disorder that gave Sollux two dreamselves. He got the bipolar disorder and the double dreamselves, as well as the flashing red-blue eyes and all his other duality nonsense, from the CURSE OF VISION TWOFOLD, and the event that might have removed his bipolar disorder was Eridan burning out his eyes (and his VISION TWOFOLD with them).  EDIT: He has been considerably cheerier and more stable since then. Iny fucked around with this message at 07:29 on Jun 23, 2012 |
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Bobulus posted:Yeah, for sure. Based on the answers Hussie has given, if the UU/uu body died on a quest bed, both UU and uu would go God-Tier, in their respective dreamself bodies. The thing is, he needs UU to die on a questbed so he can then write in her blood. The mechanics don't preclude UU dying on a questbed and only uu going god tier at this point, and this scenario is really tragic. 
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I think the scenario is going to go something like this. Some of these steps can be switched around, but you get the gist: - uu does something clever to ensure that he stays awake and UU stays asleep. - Cuts off leg to get access to both sides of the room. (Maybe substitutes a peg leg. He did say he had Dirk build him something) - He then enters the session by using both computers, playing server player for himself. - Inside the session, he finds his quest bed and dies on it, permanently killing Calliope and giving him God-tier time powers. - He pretends to be Calliope to her B2 friends (writes in her blood color and all her friends are happy) and has them do some things that give him even more power, becoming Lord English. I love this last idea, because we could have a whole act where we know that uu is pretending to be UU, but the B2-kids don't, and he keeps giving little 'tells' that they always miss, like messaging them out of time sequence, or sending them UU drawings that she already sent earlier or stuff like that. Actually, while I was typing that, I had an idea: We don't know if uu has the guts to slit his own throat. But what he could do is chain himself to his quest bed, message Roxy and get her to say Calliope's name so that she wakes up and he inhabits his dreamself, and then he flies to his planet and stabs his normal body himself. Bobulus fucked around with this message at 08:16 on Jun 23, 2012 |
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No, he's going to manipulate the kids into killing Calliope, like the chess game where he reveals that the king and queen have swapped places. And since the kids will think they're killing LE, they'll be happy at her death, just like he said.
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Bobulus posted:- Cuts off leg to get access to both sides of the room. (Maybe substitutes a peg leg. He did say he had Dirk build him something)
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:No, he's going to manipulate the kids into killing Calliope, like the chess game where he reveals that the king and queen have swapped places. And since the kids will think they're killing LE, they'll be happy at her death, just like he said. Yeah, that's the other scenario. The kids think they're killing LE or uu, they're really killing UU. And either way, afterward, uu pretends to be UU. Because he said he'd color his words with her blood.
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Bobulus posted:And either way, afterward, uu pretends to be UU. Because he said he'd color his words with her blood. Lord English has already had lines in lime green. Not particularly subtle ones, either. That's what it was a refference to- something we've already seen. Another in a long line of "Oh poo poo, he's Lord English" moments.
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Eiba posted:That doesn't really make sense at all. She didn't write with her blood color. She wrote in grey. Her blood is lime green. I think it's a double-reference. It's foreshadowing that he'll become Lord English, but also... quote:UU: mm, yes. we have both renoUnced hemotyping Until the resolUtion. UU said that she and uu type in gray until one of them wins, and then, presumably, the survivor will type in their blood color. If Calliope were to win, she'd message the kids in lime-green. So when uu, who loves lovely twists, says that he'll paint his words with her blood, that makes me think he is going to pretend to be her when talking to the kids. (He also says they'll be happy when she's dead, which is a mean thing to say, but also could be interpreted to mean they think she was the one who won.)
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Bobulus posted:So when uu, who loves lovely twists, says that he'll paint his words with her blood, that makes me think he is going to pretend to be her when talking to the kids. Reading some older pages, the solid gold brick of foreshadowing on this page suggests that UU's going to be the one to break the game, and also that UU's going to be the one to trick someone else into being an assassin(which we've seen uu already do, so maybe UU tries to turn Jack against Derse+uu but fails? Huh, I haven't a clue.). Doc Scratch posted:What's that? I see. You think you already know my name. You do not know my real name, Jack, just as none of your adversaries on this planet know yours. You only know my nickname. treasured8elief fucked around with this message at 12:22 on Jun 23, 2012 |
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Crazy theory time: We know the green moon of Alternia is not natural, and according to Aranea it was brought there by Doc Scratch. Perhaps the green moon is uu's/Lord English's Sburb planet? edit: Specifically Aranea says that about the Green moon here: quote:AG: That's right. In fact, we are on our way to visit her now. YF-23 fucked around with this message at 12:31 on Jun 23, 2012 |
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 Does it mean I'm the slowest person ever that I just noticed Gamzee's hat and potions under the table?
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Rose Spirit posted:
I think it is what Jane is using as collateral for chip money. Gamzee gave her the hat as a sPeCiAl LiMiTeD time OFFER for buying some super rare purple potions. Even Gamzee doesn't know what those ones do.
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Rose Spirit posted:
Obviously not, because you just made me notice the hat, potions, and absolutely nothing else there.
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H.R. Hufflepuff posted:Obviously not, because you just made me notice the hat, potions, and absolutely nothing else there. This is the first time I've noticed the hat, potions, Cal, and Tavros's lusus. Wow, I feel unobservant. I wonder why Tinkerbull is there.
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Mystery Machine posted:This is the first time I've noticed the hat, potions, Cal, and Tavros's lusus. Wow, I feel unobservant. I wonder why Tinkerbull is there. Obviously Jake's getting ready to fall back in his chair and inadvertently smash the poor, darling little creature to a pulp.
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Tinkerbull demands its pound of flesh.
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Mystery Machine posted:This is the first time I've noticed the hat, potions, Cal, and Tavros's lusus. Wow, I feel unobservant. I wonder why Tinkerbull is there.
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Sort of feels like a flash coming up.
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Hanks Lust Cafe posted:Sort of feels like a flash coming up. I hope it includes a frame of pitch blackness for about ten seconds when suddenly red eyes and red cheek-swirls pop up, then an end-of-act curtain.
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Rose Spirit posted:
I was too distracted by the Hunk Rump: The Gathering card in Jake's hand to notice that. Definitely a Flashy feel in the air.
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Jon Joe posted:I hope it includes a frame of pitch blackness for about ten seconds when suddenly red eyes and red cheek-swirls pop up, then an end-of-act curtain. If there's not going to be a full uu reveal quite yet, this is pretty much exactly what's going to happen, give or take a few seconds.
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