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Azure_Horizon posted:I mentioned bossa nova, and it's basically an offspring of jazz fusion What? That's completely incoherent and wrong. Fusion didn't exist in the '50s, and has nothing to do with bossa.
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Seventh Arrow posted:Ever since I've been a teenager, I've been mad for 70s/early 80s fusion - after that, it seems like it kinda got lame although some more modern stuff is ok, like Tribal Tech. Anyways, is there anything I could add to my collection? http://www.freeform.org/music/kozmigroov.html basically you want to dig into psych and spiritual fusion, which maybe won't offer the same kind of fusion as say a weather report record but is always great. strata-east is maybe the canonical releaser of this sound so check out their releases soonish. funkcroquet fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Jun 25, 2012 |
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funkcroquet posted:http://www.freeform.org/music/kozmigroov.html basically you want to dig into psych and spiritual fusion, which maybe won't offer the same kind of fusion as say a weather report record but is always great. strata-east is maybe the canonical releaser of this sound so check out their releases soonish. That's an amazing list, thanks. I'm going to be adding a lot of stuff to my iTunes wishlist over the next few days.
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Pretty much all of Al Di Meola's (Return to Forever guitarist) solo records until the early 80s are worth having. The only reason I can't recommend past that is simply because I'm not as familiar with them and don't want to recommend them on the off chance there's a turd in the bunch, but I doubt it. Land of the Midnight Sun, Elegant Gypsy, Casino and Splendido Hotel are all worth a listen.
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theradiostillsucks posted:Pretty much all of Al Di Meola's (Return to Forever guitarist) solo records until the early 80s are worth having. The only reason I can't recommend past that is simply because I'm not as familiar with them and don't want to recommend them on the off chance there's a turd in the bunch, but I doubt it. Land of the Midnight Sun, Elegant Gypsy, Casino and Splendido Hotel are all worth a listen. On that tip, John Mclaughlin, Al DiMeola, + Paco de Lucia's Friday Night In San Francisco is badass.
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BigFactory posted:On that tip, John Mclaughlin, Al DiMeola, + Paco de Lucia's Friday Night In San Francisco is badass. I have to disagree, really. I liked the album waaayy back when I was in high school, but having listened to it recently I have to conclude that there's not much more there than a blatant chopsfest. Some of the material is decent, but really the three of them continue throughout to sound like they're in a contest to see who can jizz the most notes over the audience. McLaughlin's album with Santana suffers from the same problem somewhat, but at least manages (to me, at least) to be a more consistently interesting
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Seventh Arrow posted:I have to disagree, really. I liked the album waaayy back when I was in high school, but having listened to it recently I have to conclude that there's not much more there than a blatant chopsfest. Some of the material is decent, but really the three of them continue throughout to sound like they're in a contest to see who can jizz the most notes over the audience. McLaughlin's album with Santana suffers from the same problem somewhat, but at least manages (to me, at least) to be a more consistently interesting I probably haven't listened to it in a decade, but when I was 20 my mind was blown. You're right in that it's guitar nerd nonsense, but it's still something you have to hear.
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Modern Jazz Chris "Daddy" Dave, Robert Glasper, Christian Scott. You aren't really into modern Jazz if you aren't following everything these guys are doing. Modern Fusion Aqua Fever By Shnabubula off of his album Game Genie is mind bending. The whole album is great, but this might be the most relevant track for this thread. THIS ALBUM It's called Foodie, by an individual that ges by the name Maxo. If you like fusion at all, you will also probably love this poo poo. The whole album is a must listen in my opinion, but for the jazz minded, the tracks 3 (Matzo Ball Soup), 4 (Lamb Over Rice), 8 (Bahn Mi), and 9 (Steak Chili) are big standouts, and the last track (Peking Duck) is amazing. There is also a ton of humor permeating many of the tracks, which isn't present in enough GOOD Jazz music. EDIT Also, since I didn't see it either, Dirty Loops. Jamiroquai fans, fans of people who are monster musicians, rejoice. Don't be fooled by their looks. This trio is so good; I actually know who Adelle is and how the main chorus to a Justin Bieber song goes now because of them, and I don't regret it. They turn utter poo poo into musical bliss. 
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sillycowboy17 posted:Modern Fusion Is it just me or does this stuff fall more neatly under the chiptune umbrella? Don't get me wrong, dude is talented, but it took less than a year after YouTube's rise for me to get tired of nostalgia milkers covering old video game tunes. Maybe it makes me a dick or an elitist of some sort, but whenever I see people doing video game covers, I almost immediately write them off as a novelty, regardless of their underlying talent.
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theradiostillsucks posted:Is it just me or does this stuff fall more neatly under the chiptune umbrella? Don't get me wrong, dude is talented, but it took less than a year after YouTube's rise for me to get tired of nostalgia milkers covering old video game tunes. Maybe it makes me a dick or an elitist of some sort, but whenever I see people doing video game covers, I almost immediately write them off as a novelty, regardless of their underlying talent. Not really chiptunes dude. Many of the tracks on Game Genie might be easy to identify as such, true, but Aqua Fever ends with a trio of human musicians joining in and improvising over a sweet uptempo fusion funk groove. Like I said, It's modern fusion. Rock, funk, jazz and electronic music. Foodie takes it even farther with the fusing of genres that, to me, is what makes jazz what it is. You might like it more because of a distinct lack of "video game tunes." On top of all that, these are all original compositions. So maybe you should just get over your pretenses and just give it an honest listen. sillycowboy17 fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Jun 27, 2012 |
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This is pretty sad to have to say this, but Hot Rats by Frank Zappa is what got me into Jazz and I haven't looked back. Such a wonderful genre of music that embodies Americana, and my personal favorite genre and or style of jazz would have to be Free Jazz (Avant-garde Jazz), in how the flow of the music fades in and out of sync and falls back. This often reminds me of the early 60's nature of minimalism a great example would be Ornette Coleman's album "Free Jazz".
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Chatetris posted:This is pretty sad to have to say this, but Hot Rats by Frank Zappa is what got me into Jazz and I haven't looked back. Such a wonderful genre of music that embodies Americana, and my personal favorite genre and or style of jazz would have to be Free Jazz (Avant-garde Jazz), in how the flow of the music fades in and out of sync and falls back. This often reminds me of the early 60's nature of minimalism a great example would be Ornette Coleman's album "Free Jazz". Free Jazz and Avant-garde aren't really the same thing, though. Avant-garde still retains somewhat of a predetermined structure.
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theradiostillsucks posted:Is it just me or does this stuff fall more neatly under the chiptune umbrella? Don't get me wrong, dude is talented, but it took less than a year after YouTube's rise for me to get tired of nostalgia milkers covering old video game tunes. Maybe it makes me a dick or an elitist of some sort, but whenever I see people doing video game covers, I almost immediately write them off as a novelty, regardless of their underlying talent. I do not think your instincts are doing you a disservice here because that poo poo is unlistenable
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Scarf posted:Free Jazz and Avant-garde aren't really the same thing, though. Avant-garde still retains somewhat of a predetermined structure. I mean, I've never thought that either of these terms do a service to the ways that various artists reconfigure and juxtapose various traditions and bring in extra-jazz influences (which is what you have in say the AACM or Cecil) but I've never heard these terms used to sequester stylistic concerns in this way. like, free jazz nerds treasure nearly every luminary in the genre for their composing abilities in addition to their playing. even classic non-idiomatic improv, AMMish stuff and eai (all of which are less constrained by the continued production of genre and are outside the scope of but related to this thread) don't claim to avoid structure in general.
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funkcroquet posted:I do not think your instincts are doing you a disservice here because that poo poo is unlistenable As a whole, it's even worse than my assumptions led me to believe:  quote:Tommy got a special gift this christmas. When he rubbed his new lamp he unleashed the ultimate power in the universe....the Game Genie! All of a sudden Tommy's consoles were able to make all kinds of new sounds never before thought possible, even allowing his different systems to sing together in unison. Tommy felt like he was ready to conquer the world. But first, to prove his worth, Tommy needed to face off against his genie in the ultimate showdown. Source
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Been digging some Pablo, lately. Nice downtempo jazz, perfect for those hot summer evenings.
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Chatetris posted:This is pretty sad to have to say this, but Hot Rats by Frank Zappa is what got me into Jazz and I haven't looked back. Such a wonderful genre of music that embodies Americana, and my personal favorite genre and or style of jazz would have to be Free Jazz (Avant-garde Jazz), in how the flow of the music fades in and out of sync and falls back. This often reminds me of the early 60's nature of minimalism a great example would be Ornette Coleman's album "Free Jazz". Free Jazz is the opposite of minimalism (regardless of decade??) and features two quartets playing at once.
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My Dad just got a record player, and he's really excited to hear all his favorite albums on vinyl again.I was thinking of buying him a few classics on Amazon, but even relatively popular albums like Birth of the Cool are $40-100 and more obscure albums are even more. Is there a better place to get Vinyl records? e: I love this thread. I'm so glad you guys are up on Modern Jazz. Bop will always be home base for me, but I've bought albums because of the recommendations of this thread, and there hasn't been a bad buy yet. Are there any websites or magazines worth checking out? Frosted Flake fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Jul 20, 2012 |
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where are you? the rasputins and amoebas in CA are always packed full of great $3 records, basically all the mainstreamish stuff you could want plus more expensive reissues of other lps. edit: blogs &c: http://freejazz-stef.blogspot.com/ http://destination-out.com/ http://www.paristransatlantic.com/magazine/main/home.html funkcroquet fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Jul 20, 2012 |
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Amazon is pretty dreadful for vinyl if you're looking anything but new copies of very mainstream stuff. You'll want to either hit up a proper record store or Discogs or eBay for vinyl. Some larger stores like Dusty Groove have a decent online presence as well, and should stock some cheaper reissues.
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Frosted Flake posted:e: I love this thread. I'm so glad you guys are up on Modern Jazz. Bop will always be home base for me, but I've bought albums because of the recommendations of this thread, and there hasn't been a bad buy yet. Are there any websites or magazines worth checking out? When I was super-hardcore I used to check "Allaboutjazz.com" daily or something. Misspent youth, etc. For musical content - Charles Lloyd may have been a tremendous prick according to Keith Jarrett (Pot, kettle, etc) but he still can play. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBQAIt6wkGo So. Much. Jazz. Face. There would seriously be some great gif-avatars from that track. The studio album with that track on it has Dave Holland on bass, and Billy Higgins on drums which makes a huge difference. Speaking of Dave Holland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q66FA7XGHso&t=146s
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What an incredibly informative and content filled thread (not to mention the excellent OP). I'm still getting into Jazz and a lot of these links are really helpful. I have something to share with the thread as well as a question and request. The theme from L.A. Noire (a video game set in the 40's) is an interesting jazz composition and a very pleasant surprise (as is the rest of the game's soundtrack). The melody/theme is emotional when it is stated both times, while many little flourishes and countermelodies from a string and horn section poke their head in throughout the song's nine minutes. The solo passages explore a variety of moods and harmonic backgrounds too. Here it is, without further adieu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bW75OwVXZI And a part I find to be breathtakingly beautiful: (From here until 5:30) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bW75OwVXZI&t=293s My question is: Where can I find more music like this, and how would you define it? Someone posted a tune from Metal Gear Solid with a "smoky, dark nightclub feel" which was defined as cool jazz, but none of the suggested songs in the OP are quite like this.
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It is cool jazz (with some dark jazz aesthetics), but the cool jazz I listed is more typical of its era. The main theme is definitely a more modern reimagining of a cool jazz sound than those I put in the OP. I'd check out some Bohren & Der Club of Gore, who specialize in noir/dark jazz. Azure_Horizon fucked around with this message at 09:23 on Jul 24, 2012 |
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Maaan, I can't get over Bill Evans. Portrait In Jazz is such a good listen from start to finish-- brilliant guy. However, I've always had an affinity for cool saxophones, but haven't got any specific artists. Anybody come to mind?
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Wronkos posted:I've always had an affinity for cool saxophones, but haven't got any specific artists. Anybody come to mind? Bill Perkins.
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Cannonball Adderley JOHN MOTHERFUCKIN COLTRANE
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Azure_Horizon posted:JOHN MOTHERFUCKIN COLTRANE The caps only make it more true.
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I realize those are in response to a question, but please don't turn this into just saying names of artists, you can take it to PYF if that's what you want.
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Wronkos posted:Maaan, I can't get over Bill Evans. Portrait In Jazz is such a good listen from start to finish-- brilliant guy. However, I've always had an affinity for cool saxophones, but haven't got any specific artists. Anybody come to mind? Post 90s Charles Lloyd. A love Supreme - John Coltrane (Seriously, this is the answer to any "I like Saxaphone" questions), maybe My Favourite Things. Stan Getz Blue Note Wayne Shorter (Night Dreamer et al) Art Pepper - Meets the Rhythm Section That Cannonball album with Miles as a sideman.
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LordPants posted:Post 90s Charles Lloyd. I wish I was alive when Coltrane was. Just to have the slimmest chance of ever meeting him. What a musician.
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LordPants posted:That Cannonball album with Miles as a sideman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MVVnkbImEM It sounds like that rhythm section could just blow up the studio. beer gas canister fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Aug 4, 2012 |
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If I were alive in that period I would go see the Miles Davis Sextet that had Miles (obviously), Trane, Cannonball, Bill Evans, Paul Chambers and Philly Joe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz_at_the_Plaza So yeah, the Kind of Blue band playing over a bunch of standards, with some slightly dodgy recording. But just so good.
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Azure_Horizon posted:I wish I was alive when Coltrane was. Just to have the slimmest chance of ever meeting him. What a musician. I had Pat LaBarbera as an improv teacher, and he told us about how he used to catch Coltrane when he played in New York. He said that one time during a solo, Trane played a phrase and then he started playing it over and over again. The band eventually ended the song and went for a break and Coltrane went into a closet and kept playing the phrase over and over again. Guess he was a perfectionist!
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theradiostillsucks posted:Is it just me or does this stuff fall more neatly under the chiptune umbrella? Don't get me wrong, dude is talented, but it took less than a year after YouTube's rise for me to get tired of nostalgia milkers covering old video game tunes. Maybe it makes me a dick or an elitist of some sort, but whenever I see people doing video game covers, I almost immediately write them off as a novelty, regardless of their underlying talent. Sorry to quote such an old post, but why is this the case? Sure some guy playing the Zelda theme on guitar in his bedroom is cliche as poo poo at this point, but plenty of videogame soundtracks, especially from the 8 and 16 bit eras, are very well composed pieces of music. All of those classic soundtracks people love to cover were written by professional composers. I like videogame cover bands (if they are good players at least) because they make some of that legitimately good music more accessible and listenable, especially for those older games that had nothing but square and triangle waves for instruments.
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I'm looking for some help from someone who know more about jazz than me. I recently found this band: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1MZB8Z5kzQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cZQaD2CCVE What sub-genre is this and what other bands do similar to them music? Preferably something relatively modern, because ancient band are (unfortunately) rarely available in good quality or available at all.
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Jack Trades posted:I'm looking for some help from someone who know more about jazz than me. Well, the genre is literally in their name. It's (really bad) big band music. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_band
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Jack Trades posted:I'm looking for some help from someone who know more about jazz than me. Yeah the genre's in the title of the band. Relayer: One of my favorite videogame albums is Yasunori Mitsuda's The Brink of Time jazz remix album of Chrono Trigger's soundtrack. It's weird, and not completely great, but I like the attempt and it has some great tracks.
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It took me 28 years, but I'm finally appreciating jazz. I'm a guitar nerd, so its been a whole bunch of Al Di Meola and Allan Holdsworth.
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Minto Took posted:It took me 28 years, but I'm finally appreciating jazz. I'm a guitar nerd, so its been a whole bunch of Al Di Meola and Allan Holdsworth. I'm not a guitar nerd, but I think I can safely recommend expanding to John McLaughlin/Mahavishnu Orchestra, Larry Coryell and some Pat Metheny (I'm new to him, but the earlier stuff is the best to me so far). Relayer posted:Sorry to quote such an old post, but why is this the case? Sure some guy playing the Zelda theme on guitar in his bedroom is cliche as poo poo at this point, but plenty of videogame soundtracks, especially from the 8 and 16 bit eras, are very well composed pieces of music. All of those classic soundtracks people love to cover were written by professional composers. I like videogame cover bands (if they are good players at least) because they make some of that legitimately good music more accessible and listenable, especially for those older games that had nothing but square and triangle waves for instruments. It just feels like the musical form of fanfiction. The whole retro nostalgia thing has always struck me as kind of silly, at least as far as trying to sell or market it. If you're legitimately into it, fine, but I feel like a lot of video game cover bands are just neckbeards pandering to fellow neckbeards; in effect, no more culturally relevant than the hordes of Hot Topic-purchased, faded, XXL Nintendo tshirts that will be cluttering the aisles of your local thrift store for years to come.
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