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unprofessional posted:I sorta thought of him like Nightchill - a god who appeared as a mortal along the ages. I'm still only halfway through Orb but there's a really good piece on ascension in there, describing it as a struggle to stamp your identity on the universe. This is why godhood changes, most evident in war. The ascendents struggle until only one remains, enabling them to say "I am war and war is what I am". Fanderay and Togg, Fener, Trake: the rise and fall of the gods mirrors the civilisations. Dessemembrae didn't fight for an existant identity, he created tragedy. There's still a lot of unexplained backstory there but it's got something to do with Hood and Dassem's daughter.
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Jul 1, 2012 12:44
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adamarama posted:Yeah, it's something like this I think. Dessembrae is a new god, created by the worship of Dassem Ultor. Dassem just happens to be still alive; there's a seperation between god and mortal. Knowing Hood, he had it all planned out long in advance that by claiming Dassem's daughter he could set off the chain of events that we witness in the Book of the Fallen.
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Jul 1, 2012 17:10
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I haven't read it yet and its gotten mixed reviews here, but Ian C. Esslemont's Night of Knives: A Novel of the Malazan Empire is one of Amazon's cheap ebook deals for the month at $2.99.
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Hondo82 posted:I haven't read it yet and its gotten mixed reviews here, but Ian C. Esslemont's Night of Knives: A Novel of the Malazan Empire is one of Amazon's cheap ebook deals for the month at $2.99. Go buy a 40oz of Colt 45 or whatever amount of weed $3 will get you, and you'll enjoy that much more than this book. And no one ever answered my question on the last page. Orb, Scepter, Throne spoilers Why didnt the Moranth use the badass rocket launchers, and whatever other neato weapons we heard about in Crippled God, in the fight against Seguleh? A bunch of sharpers doesnt seem like a good thing to storm a castle with, when you could fight your way into the protective circle, then blow the gently caress out of the castle. Sharpers worked in the castle, so other stuff should have. Spermy Smurf fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Jul 2, 2012 |
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Jul 2, 2012 00:23
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I think most people thought your question was rhetorical. I'm not sure why you're expecting an answer to a question that would assume we can read the authors' minds.
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Jul 2, 2012 04:56
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It just seemed like such a huge fuckup on Esselmonts part, I didnt know if I had missed something obvious as to why they didnt use anything bigger.
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Jul 2, 2012 13:43
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I didn't read O, S, T, but I'd imagine it's because the Moranth are bizarre foreign creatures, and it took the Malazan Marines to do anything effective (you know, the greatest army the world had ever known?). Whatever badass stuff they had in TCG might have even been built by Malazan engineers.
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Jul 2, 2012 16:08
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How do the ICE books fit in chronologically with the Erikson books? I'm almost done with RotCG and I'll probably read the next one but I don't want to get ahead of Dust of Dreams which is where I am in the Erikson books.
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Jul 2, 2012 22:54
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It's pretty close to the ordered list in the OP. I think Crimson Guards is supposed to happen right after Bonehunters and probably during Reaper's Gale. Stoneweilder probably takes place around Toll the Hounds or slightly afterwards but it sets the stage for some of The Crippled God. For what it's worth, the Esslemont books go out of their way to avoid spoiling or mentioning events going on in Erikson's books, and except for only a few slight mentions that you may not even have noticed, Erikson is pretty good about not spoiling events in ICE's books.
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Jul 2, 2012 23:34
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OST casually mentions the ongoing Korel campaign, so presumably OST and Stonewielder are concurrent, though the chronology of the Kiska and Leoman saga seems to contradict this (that is, that particular storyline is chronological from SW to OST; that said I don't believe any of the actual 'Stonewielder' action in Korel deals with that storyline so that's not a big deal, though the storyline does become important to the main one in OST). OST begins slightly after the end of Toll the Hounds, so Stonewielder and OST probably occur during the second half of Dust of Dreams, OST maybe the first half of TCG - but definitely not the end, since all you get of Karsa is a vague section towards the beginning of the book where it talks about him living outside the city; I kept waiting for him to join the action in OST but it never came. Presumably him ending Fener's existence in TCG happens post-OST in Darujhistan. TCG's climax appears to be the latest chronologically in the series thus written, though that will likely change when ICE writes the Assail saga. HeroOfTheRevolution fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Jul 3, 2012 |
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Jul 3, 2012 00:26
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I started Reaper's Gale a day or so ago, and Tehol and Bugg are back. 
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pakman posted:I started Reaper's Gale a day or so ago, and Tehol and Bugg are back. As much as I like Tehol and Bugg, I thought Reaper's Gale was the worst slog in the whole series (Currently reading Dust of Dreams). Maybe you'll like the book more than I did. So far my impression of Dust of Dreams has been pretty good. Sure the philosophizing can be a bit much, but some of it is actually pretty interesting. I especially liked the reveal that the Imass went on their eternal campaign of genocide as much because they destroyed their environment and didn't want to face extinction as because they were out for "justice" against the Jaghut. Anyhow I think I could lay things out like this. Parts that are boring: -The Malazans on their long slow trek into the Wastelands (Although the new "Bridgeburners" are pretty funny). I wonder if Erikson will go into intentional self-parody by making Rumjugs have a long philosophical monologue on the meaning of life. -The Snake (Who cares? This part is terrible) Parts that are awesome: -Pretty much everything else. The Barghast, the Elder Gods, and the K'Chain Che'Malle are all pretty interesting. The Khundryl are also pretty cool. I was wondering if the other people in this thread bother reading the poems at the beginning of each chapter? I stopped reading them around the time when I hit Reaper's Gale. Erikson just isn't a very good poet.
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Jul 4, 2012 03:13
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I stopped reading the poetry after like the first one. I like the historical quotes, though, should have done more of those instead.
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Jul 4, 2012 03:44
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I know for me Dresden Files really picked up by book 3, when does Malazan really start to pick up? Any cool spoilers I should be happy to look forward to reading in book 1? Something that will get me motivated to slug through the confusing beginning. Also how are the audiobooks for this series? Kneel Before Zog fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Jul 4, 2012 |
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Jul 4, 2012 03:56
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Kneel Before Zog posted:I know for me Dresden Files really picked up by book 3, when does Malazan really start to pick up? Any cool spoilers I should be happy to look forward to reading in book 1? Something that will get me motivated to slug through the confusing beginning. What book are you currently on? Gardens of the Moon is kind of a drag, but it starts picking up in Deadhouse Gates and really cool poo poo goes down in Memories of Ice. Edit: no idea on the audiobooks, sorry.
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Jul 4, 2012 04:10
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I thought the series really picked up around the third part of Gardens of the Moon. After that I was pretty much hooked for the rest of the series. I think those first two parts of GotM are the hardest to get through and then after that the plot starts coming together.
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Jul 4, 2012 04:39
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Kneel Before Zog posted:I know for me Dresden Files really picked up by book 3, when does Malazan really start to pick up? Any cool spoilers I should be happy to look forward to reading in book 1? Something that will get me motivated to slug through the confusing beginning. I don't think there are any audiobooks.
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Jul 4, 2012 09:19
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There are audiobooks for all main books. I've borrowed MoI from a friend and the reader is pretty good. Much better then the reader for song of ice and fire. I've seen them on amazon/audible. Cant find them now but it might be because I'm in europe. Googleing just gets you torrents but atleast that proves that they exist.
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Jul 4, 2012 19:44
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Vaniljcola posted:There are audiobooks for all main books. I've borrowed MoI from a friend and the reader is pretty good. Much better then the reader for song of ice and fire. I'm pretty sure those were fan-made and uploaded to torrent sites for distro, I've never had any luck finding Malazan audiobooks on pretty much any vendors site (including Amazon, Audible, etc). There are Kindle editions of everything now though which is nice.
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Jul 4, 2012 20:06
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pakman posted:I started Reaper's Gale a day or so ago, and Tehol and Bugg are back. I love Tehol and Bugg easily some of my favourite back and forth from Midnight Tides. I was really satisfied with their Arc. I didn't realise Orb, Scepter and Throne is out. Guess I've got some reading to do. 
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Jul 5, 2012 05:42
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I just finished Return of the Crimson Guard and I'm only kinda confused about one thing Who was the soldier Dessembrae was talking about at the end there, the one he said would have become the greatest General the Empire had ever known if his bodyguard would have been just a little bit faster
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Jul 5, 2012 07:18
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So I'm about 300 pages deep into Deadhouse Gates. Two questions: What is stopping Kulp from just generating a warren and having him and the marines and Felisin and all them travel through it safely to wherever, instead of having to survive that batshit crazy sorcerer spitting storms everywhere? Do only some warrens allow travel? What's with all the deserts? I feel like half of Gardens of the Moon and most of Deadhouse Gates has been in desert settings so far. I don't mind them yet, but I'm slowly starting to yearn to at least see a forest somewhere, or some grass or something. Anyways, so far the books have been awesome. I powered through GotM and didn't find it as hard of a read as it was made out to be, and DG has been great so far. I just finished the part where they come across the ghost ship and the headless oarsmen which was loving awesome. Also Gesler seems pretty awesome, I hope he's not just some sort of one-off character.
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The Dark Wind posted:So I'm about 300 pages deep into Deadhouse Gates. Two questions: AFAIK, warren travel isn't that easy, and that particular warren is different. It's an Elder Warren, which is quite different from the regular ones we saw in GotM. Most of DG is set in Seven Cities, which is a desert continent. GotM was set in Genabackis and had grassland/forests/mountains I think. Oh and GotM gets so much better on a reread. It's chock full of details that you'd only pick up from reading the rest of the books. Unfortunately that makes it a really hard book to pick if you're new.
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The Dark Wind posted:Also Gesler seems pretty awesome, I hope he's not just some sort of one-off character. Don't worry he sticks around for a long time
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Jul 5, 2012 12:09
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The Dark Wind posted:What's with all the deserts? I feel like half of Gardens of the Moon and most of Deadhouse Gates has been in desert settings so far. I don't mind them yet, but I'm slowly starting to yearn to at least see a forest somewhere, or some grass or something. There's forests but he doesn't mention them or their effects with the same loving detail he talks about deserts and plains. He's a geologist and I guess trees are just decoration to him.
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Jul 5, 2012 15:48
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There are some river valleys in Memories of Ice, and some mountains in House of Chains, but it's mostly plains and deserts throughout the series.
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Jul 5, 2012 16:07
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Daric posted:I just finished Return of the Crimson Guard and I'm only kinda confused about one thing
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Jul 5, 2012 20:55
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Anyone have any experience grabbing the books early from overseas? Is it just a matter of giving amazon.co.uk some extra money for shipping? Forge of Darkness releases 7/31 in the UK, and 9/18 in the US. My brother's birthday is 8/11 and he's the type of Erikson fan who spent over a year rereading all 10 books three times in a row seeing how the pieces fell together and finding stuff he missed. Surprising him with an early copy would be awesome, even if its translated into English instead of American.
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Jul 5, 2012 21:01
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adamarama posted:I don't think it was anyone in particular. I read it as more of a comment on luck, which seems to be a strong theme throughout the series. I really hope there's a Hood/Desembrae reckoning at some point. Oh my, isn't there just. 
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Jul 5, 2012 21:31
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bagrada posted:Anyone have any experience grabbing the books early from overseas? Is it just a matter of giving amazon.co.uk some extra money for shipping? http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/Forge-Darkness-Steven-Erikson/9780593062180 You can thank me later when your bookshelf collapses on you.
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Jul 5, 2012 22:58
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Daric posted:I just finished Return of the Crimson Guard and I'm only kinda confused about one thing I'm pretty sure they're referring to Ullen, who got dropped near the end of the battle. The last thing he saw was his bodyguard standing over him after getting caught, if I'm remembering it right.
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We've got the first page of Forge of Darkness. http://forum.malazanempire.com/index.php?showtopic=24231&view=findpost&p=975430 I'll paste it here since it's short. Hopefully it's not a problem. quote:… so you have found me and would know the tale. When a poet speaks of truth to another poet, what hope has truth? Let me ask this, then. Does one find memory in invention, or will you find invention in memory? Which bows in servitude before the other? Will the measure of greatness be weighed solely in the details? Perhaps so, if details comprise the full weft of the world; if themes are nothing more than the composite of lists perfectly ordered and unerringly rendered; and if I should kneel before invention, as if it was memory made perfect. Erikson has defined the different style of the new book as "Dickensian" (though this page is more like metalinguistic speak-to-the-reader kind of thing).
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The Ninth Layer posted:I'm pretty sure they're referring to Ullen, who got dropped near the end of the battle. The last thing he saw was his bodyguard standing over him after getting caught, if I'm remembering it right. oh poo poo, i was reading through it so fast i must have missed that Ullen didn't make it through
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More DG questions, I just started Chain of Dogs and am getting very confused. I'll just spoiler everything. What exactly was going on in the beginning with the dragon and Kulp's warren and all that? The whole section was very confusing, but I know he was mixing his with the one they were stuck in and somehow managed to escape. I'm not sure exactly what he was doing though. So was Baudin a Talon working for Tavore to keep Felisin safe? Tavore was only sending her to Skullcup for a moment as a symbolic gesture, then planned to get her out somehow at some point? Or is this completely off the mark?
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The Dark Wind posted:So was Baudin a Talon working for Tavore to keep Felisin safe? Tavore was only sending her to Skullcup for a moment as a symbolic gesture, then planned to get her out somehow at some point? Or is this completely off the mark? No, that's exactly right. The plan was only for Felisin to stay there for a very short time in order to get her out of the city where she would have almost certainly been killed.
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The Dark Wind posted:What exactly was going on in the beginning with the dragon and Kulp's warren and all that? The whole section was very confusing, but I know he was mixing his with the one they were stuck in and somehow managed to escape. I'm not sure exactly what he was doing though. If I remember correctly, Kulp thought it was safer to stay behind the dragon, so he opened his warren and used Meanas' power to move them into the wake. But opening Meanas warren within that Elder warren did something bad - the door sort of got stuck, and water started flowing in. Kulp tried to "trick" other gods into helping him, then the dragon turned around and was like "oh, i guess i should help." Once the warren was closed, the gods pulled back and Kulp collapses, with the ship now in the dragon's wake. Then, the dragon exits, still towing the ship in it's wake, and they go through kind of a fire curtain. I didn't really get that part - other than the fire gives people stone skin or whatever. I'm on book 5 now myself, so that is still a mystery.
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Praesil posted:If I remember correctly, Kulp thought it was safer to stay behind the dragon, so he opened his warren and used Meanas' power to move them into the wake. But opening Meanas warren within that Elder warren did something bad - the door sort of got stuck, and water started flowing in. Kulp tried to "trick" other gods into helping him, then the dragon turned around and was like "oh, i guess i should help." Once the warren was closed, the gods pulled back and Kulp collapses, with the ship now in the dragon's wake. That curtain of fire has some implications later on. It's not just some throw away fluff piece.
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Abalieno posted:We've got the first page of Forge of Darkness. Seems like an appropriate tone for a book about the Tiste Andii. Hopefully it's not so morbid and melancholy as to be unreadable. Personally I would have liked to see a trilogy about Kellanved and company's early days. That would be filled with swashbuckling awesomeness.
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Apologies for flooding this thread with questions, but I don't wanna go on google and get all spoilered. Just finished Chain of Dogs. Holy gently caress Kulp and Baudin  . Are the girl and guy that reach the Sha'ik corpse at the end Felisin and Heboric, or Apsalar and her dad? Judging by the "hands" comment, I was more inclined towards the former, but I'm not completely sure.
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