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Jonny Nox posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2us2kOQd6g Another time that happened, the FAA suspended the controller pending an investigation. The FAA hates fun.
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Not to rain on this parade, but I found it difficult to understand the kid, and that can turn congested airspace into a dangerous situation. Glad the dude is back in the seat, though. Good ATC is a loving godsend.
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Listening to the ATC is pretty funny sometimes I used to fly (ride along) at work when we did test flights and the ATC would just make fun of our plane 'United XXX your clear after that ugly BAC belching smoke, don't worry he's not on fire'.  Also we have a taxi-way to our hangers so they would say stuff like 'turn left at X and make your way back to the bat cave'
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thesurlyspringKAA posted:Not to rain on this parade, but I found it difficult to understand the kid, and that can turn congested airspace into a dangerous situation. Glad the dude is back in the seat, though. Good ATC is a loving godsend. The kid was really only speaking to aircraft which had one available command to receive. The dad was issuing more complex instructions. Aircraft already holding in position on the runway are expecting to hear their takeoff clearance. Same thing for the switch to departure after wheels up. I didn't find the kid difficult to understand at all.
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Anyone have trouble connecting to the wi-fi in the Denver airport? I have passed through there 3 times in the past 6 months and every time I can't hook up to the wi-fi...I think I've been in Concourse A every time, but even moving around I can't hook up to it. It's pretty annoying, especially like today when I had a 9 loving hour layover.
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The Ferret King posted:The kid was really only speaking to aircraft which had one available command to receive. The dad was issuing more complex instructions. Aircraft already holding in position on the runway are expecting to hear their takeoff clearance. Same thing for the switch to departure after wheels up. I didn't find the kid difficult to understand at all. Not to mention: Doesn't matter if YOU couldn't understand the kid, the pilots did, and they are the ones who matter.
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Well, this is reasonably insane. The Terrafugia roadable aircraft has completed it's initial test flights. http://www.eaa.org/news/2012/2012-06-29_transition.asp Though the specs make it look pretty uncompelling.
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So many of us have heard of the B-52 scoring a kill on an F-15 during a Red Flag back in the 80's. Well as it turns out, one of the pilots I work with is an old BUFF guy from the 80's. I asked him about this to which he immediately answered that yes it's very true and way more common than just a one-off. As it turns out the B-52 had a pretty sweet tactic that they used to give erroneous range/bearing info to the pursuing fighter which afforded them an easy tail gun kill. This apparently drove the F-15 guys nuts.
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HeyEng posted:So many of us have heard of the B-52 scoring a kill on an F-15 during a Red Flag back in the 80's. Well as it turns out, one of the pilots I work with is an old BUFF guy from the 80's. I asked him about this to which he immediately answered that yes it's very true and way more common than just a one-off. As it turns out the B-52 had a pretty sweet tactic that they used to give erroneous range/bearing info to the pursuing fighter which afforded them an easy tail gun kill. This apparently drove the F-15 guys nuts. Yeah, the story I heard was from some week long air defense exercise up here during the Cold War where the BUFFs were flying OPFOR for some F-15s and were restricted in what they could do so they were basically lambs at the slaughter...until they changed things up one day (without telling the Eagle guys) and started flying the way they'd really fly if they were nuking the Soviets. The crowning achievement was sucking a fighter in at low level using that erroneous range/bearing tactic and getting a guns kill on him. I could've sworn there was a story in Air & Space about this story, but I couldn't find it. I did, however, rediscover this one and it is pretty funny. This one isn't too bad either.
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iyaayas01 posted:Yeah, the story I heard was from some week long air defense exercise up here during the Cold War where the BUFFs were flying OPFOR for some F-15s and were restricted in what they could do so they were basically lambs at the slaughter...until they changed things up one day (without telling the Eagle guys) and started flying the way they'd really fly if they were nuking the Soviets. The crowning achievement was sucking a fighter in at low level using that erroneous range/bearing tactic and getting a guns kill on him. I think the general disdain for fighter pilots it pretty well deserved save for A-10 dudes and Wild Weasel guys. Those jets take some serious balls to fly because you're actively banking on being shot at to get the mission done. Fun articles.
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iyaayas01 posted:Anyone have trouble connecting to the wi-fi in the Denver airport? I have passed through there 3 times in the past 6 months and every time I can't hook up to the wi-fi...I think I've been in Concourse A every time, but even moving around I can't hook up to it. It's pretty annoying, especially like today when I had a 9 loving hour layover. It's always a crap shoot at DIA. Most of the time I'm there, the wifi appears to be operating at peak efficiency, yet when one tries to say, access a simple web page, you're met with instant disappointment.
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HeyEng posted:So many of us have heard of the B-52 scoring a kill on an F-15 during a Red Flag back in the 80's. Well as it turns out, one of the pilots I work with is an old BUFF guy from the 80's. I asked him about this to which he immediately answered that yes it's very true and way more common than just a one-off. As it turns out the B-52 had a pretty sweet tactic that they used to give erroneous range/bearing info to the pursuing fighter which afforded them an easy tail gun kill. This apparently drove the F-15 guys nuts. I would not want to mess with the ECM and ECCM suite the B-52 carries if I were attacking it. They have some pretty rad countermeasures.
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iyaayas01 posted:Anyone have trouble connecting to the wi-fi in the Denver airport? I have passed through there 3 times in the past 6 months and every time I can't hook up to the wi-fi...I think I've been in Concourse A every time, but even moving around I can't hook up to it. It's pretty annoying, especially like today when I had a 9 loving hour layover. It rarely works for me. Rarely = maybe 10% success rate.
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HeyEng posted:I think the general disdain for fighter pilots it pretty well deserved save for A-10 dudes and Wild Weasel guys. Those jets take some serious balls to fly because you're actively banking on being shot at to get the mission done. Speaking of fast movers, the Viper-driver band has redesigned their website and apparently has a new album out. They know their place in the world: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBfkbO0JuU8
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Credible Sport was ridiculous and amazing. "Let's plop a Herc down and take off on a soccer pitch!" Great idea, until the wings fell off (seems that the C-130 has a problem with the wings falling off, because all the airframes are old as poo poo). Why didn't they do it with CH-53Es staging out in the vast desert next door? The Herc was the best fixed-wing choice for the role, though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfwJJD5jGXk C-130 landing on a carrier and taking off with no tailhook and no cat. Also what was the op where they did try to use Super Stallions in the desert and then whoops a sandstorm crippled half the birds? Chillbro Baggins fucked around with this message at 04:59 on Jul 2, 2012 |
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BonoMan posted:So apparently during the Iran Hostage crisis they were test outfitting C-130s with rockets for STOLs whilst prepping for rescue plans? This is what fueled the development of the V-22 Osprey.
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Delivery McGee posted:Also what was the op where they did try to use Super Stallions in the desert and then whoops a sandstorm crippled half the birds? Sounds like you're describing Eagle Claw. It wasn't so much that sandstorms crippled the birds as they contributed to poor visibility resulting in a Stallion slamming into a Herc tanker, which pretty much ruined everything for everyone except the Iranians. Iran still flies the Stallion(s) they captured.  edit: regarding Wild Weasels, they make me nervous ever since one mistook a Patriot battery for an SA-2 site and put a HARM up a Patriot radar's rear end moments after a bunch of people were standing around the radar.
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Delivery McGee posted:Credible Sport was ridiculous and amazing. "Let's plop a Herc down and take off on a soccer pitch!" Operation Eagle Claw. I remember reading a fantastic editorial/revisitation back in 2007 but for the life of me I can't remember the magazine (something Vanity Fair-esque). Anyway, funny you mention the wings falling off of the C-130 since I found that Credible Sport video (which I had known nothing about) after searching for the C-130 firefighting plane crash back in 2006 or so. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bDNCac2N1o
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Apparently a Herc went down in South Dakota while battling a fire there, they've airlifted 3 crew members to get them to a hospital, no other news right now. EDIT: South Dakota sorry CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Jul 2, 2012 |
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onezero posted:It's always a crap shoot at DIA. Most of the time I'm there, the wifi appears to be operating at peak efficiency, yet when one tries to say, access a simple web page, you're met with instant disappointment. nummy posted:It rarely works for me. Rarely = maybe 10% success rate. Alright, good (I guess)...I was worried it was something weird with my computer, because the wifi is good strength, and half of the time I'll even be able to connect to the network, but then it just shits out whenever I try to actually use it for anything. Delivery McGee posted:Hogs, Mudhens, and Wild Weasels arguably don't fall under the "fast mover" umbrella, despite technically being jet fighters. Worth mentioning that Wild Weasels are now just Viper pilots that train to the mission, since the only WWs these days are F-16s with the HTS/HARMs/necessary hardware, not dedicated WW airframes. And Dos Gringos are pretty funny. HeyEng posted:This is what fueled the development of the V-22 Osprey. Yeah, that combined with Eagle Claw...they wanted an aircraft with a vastly increased range compared to a helo (to get around the Eagle Claw shortcomings) but with vertical capability (to get around the Credible Sport shortcomings). mlmp08 posted:Sounds like you're describing Eagle Claw. It wasn't so much that sandstorms crippled the birds as they contributed to poor visibility resulting in a Stallion slamming into a Herc tanker, which pretty much ruined everything for everyone except the Iranians. Yeah, I couldn't tell if he was being ironic about Eagle Claw or if it was sincere,  . Worth mentioning that Eagle Claw came first; Credible Sport was the backup plan after Eagle Claw went south.CommieGIR posted:Apparently a Herc went down in North Dakota while battling a fire there, they've airlifted 3 crew members to get them to a hospital, no other news right now. News story I saw said South Dakota. iyaayas01 fucked around with this message at 05:47 on Jul 2, 2012 |
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iyaayas01 posted:Yeah, I couldn't tell if he was being ironic about Eagle Claw or if it was sincere, Give me a break, I've seen the Credible Sport wings-falling-off video several times; Eagle Claw, I read a magazine article about once. I did somehow forget that they were both the same mission (I don't know how, seeing as how there was only the one reason for a major op in the middle east at the time.) But yeah, Eagle Claw failed because one of the Stallions drove into the tanker on the ground (the chopper was technically flying at the time, but with that big a rotor there's not much difference between air and ground taxi ops), and everybody said "gently caress this, we're outta here." I was half right, in that a sandstorm caused the delay that led to the crash. Basically the Iran hostage crisis was a Keystone Kops-style clusterfuck, is what I'm getting at.
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Delivery McGee posted:Give me a break, I've seen the Credible Sport wings-falling-off video several times; Eagle Claw, I read a magazine article about once. I did somehow forget that they were both the same mission (I don't know how, seeing as how there was only the one reason for a major op in the middle east at the time.) But yeah, Eagle Claw failed because one of the Stallions drove into the tanker on the ground (the chopper was technically flying at the time, but with that big a rotor there's not much difference between air and ground taxi ops), and everybody said "gently caress this, we're outta here." The sandstorm actually did cause one of the helos to abort en route to Desert One. One jet had a mechanical malfunction and landed and was abandoned; another had an avionics malfunction due to flying through a sandstorm and returned to the carrier. When another helo arrived at Desert One with a hydraulics malfunction and couldn't continue (that was the subject of some discussion between Beckwith and the helo mission commander) this took them under the minimum number of birds required to accomplish the mission, so they scrubbed at Desert One. The "sandstorm" that caused the mishap wasn't an actual sandstorm but rather was sand being blown up as a result of the helo's rotor blades as it air taxied over to reposition itself behind another C-130 to refuel. And that's kind of amusing to me that you knew Credible Sport more than Eagle Claw, since usually it is the opposite...but I guess that makes sense for an aviation nerd, haha. edit: Here's a couple more links to reporting on that C-130 crash...I really don't like the sound of that "two were taken to the hospital, four crewmembers remain unaccounted for." iyaayas01 fucked around with this message at 10:04 on Jul 2, 2012 |
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iyaayas01 posted:edit: Here's a couple more links to reporting on that C-130 crash...I really don't like the sound of that "two were taken to the hospital, four crewmembers remain unaccounted for." All I can say right now is its a Charlotte bird, I let you know more when they give us the all clear. 
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Hercs are great because they leave WWII bomber style exhaust plumes behind them, and have oil stains on the cowls. It's  as gently caress.
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Here's video of a Brazilian Jet blowing the windows out of a glass building because of the shock wave. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qhc2lXCT9c
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The really funny thing is that it's not just some glass building. It's the Brazilian Supreme Court. And all of this is happening during the ceremony of exchange of the national flag (I don't know, either). Oh yeah, surrounding buildings were damaged, too.
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parrhesia posted:The really funny thing is that it's not just some glass building. It's the Brazilian Supreme Court. And all of this is happening during the ceremony of exchange of the national flag (I don't know, either). I'd file a complaint against those showboating pilots POST-HASTE!!!
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Also, http://wildfiretoday.com/ has a few updates on the C-130 tanker that crashed.
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xaarman posted:Some big government gathering, whoopsies!
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grover posted:Speaking of "whoopsies", did you not notice this posted, literally, 3 posts before yours? And every post in between talking about it? airforce 
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grover posted:Speaking of "whoopsies", did you not notice this posted, literally, 3 posts before yours? And every post in between talking about it? No, I literally saw that video and thought AI should watch it too, haha. I'll edit to leave the sad depressing link instead.
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HeyEng posted:So many of us have heard of the B-52 scoring a kill on an F-15 during a Red Flag back in the 80's. Well as it turns out, one of the pilots I work with is an old BUFF guy from the 80's. I asked him about this to which he immediately answered that yes it's very true and way more common than just a one-off. As it turns out the B-52 had a pretty sweet tactic that they used to give erroneous range/bearing info to the pursuing fighter which afforded them an easy tail gun kill. This apparently drove the F-15 guys nuts. Red Flag "kills"? Pffft... One of these BUFFs is at the Air Force Academy (or one painted to look like it).
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simble posted:More importantly, whats the plane in the background of the last Texan shot? Pretty sure it's a B-17, but we need MORE PICTURES
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simble posted:More importantly, whats the plane in the background of the last Texan shot? Whatever it is, it's powered by:  and quad turbos  lots of rivets  cramped seating  you can see a heel cup on the edge of the pic at about 11:00     
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gently caress. Yes. The first set was great, this one... excuse me, I need to attend to some personal business.
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Names were released in that C-130 firefighting mishap. Also apparently two Tornadoes out of RAF Lossiemouth crashed off the coast of Scotland; two crew members have been rescued but two are still missing. iyaayas01 fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Jul 3, 2012 |
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If 'Aluminum Overcast' ever appears at your local airport, do yourself a favor and go check it out. It's an amazing restoration.
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