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BigHead posted:Almost zero. Your masters would also count for almost zero. Law schools are about a) LSAT and b) GPA and c) URM. See: Fair enough. The flowchart on the first page led me to believe that a few years of good work experience might count for something. I also thought that with a law degree and a few years of solid tax experience, I might get a job at one of those fancy law firms or something. But then I realized that an extra three years at my accounting firm would probably get me a similar pay increase with no debt. So yeah, horrible idea. Thanks for clarifying!
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10-8 posted:And yet you'll still go because you're special and different. My mom told me so. 
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insanityv2 posted:My mom told me so. is she also paying for it? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Marold Koseman posted:Fair enough. The flowchart on the first page led me to believe that a few years of good work experience might count for something. I also thought that with a law degree and a few years of solid tax experience, I might get a job at one of those fancy law firms or something. No problem bro   Also I think this officially puts me in the lead of number of souls dissuaded from going to law school. 
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insanityv2 posted:Just had an interesting conversation with my supervisor after I gave notice at my job in preparation for starting law school in the fall. Shes probably just a bitch bro, ignore her and forge ahead mindlessly
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Jul 4, 2012 02:34
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insanityv2 posted:Just had an interesting conversation with my supervisor after I gave notice at my job in preparation for starting law school in the fall. I think we need to have the name of the school here. Is it too late to keep your job, because I'd do that. If you go, please check in every one in a while, so we can get in on the hilarity.
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Marold Koseman posted:Fair enough. The flowchart on the first page led me to believe that a few years of good work experience might count for something. Sounds like the flowchart needs revising, then. quote:
I knew several people in my tax LL.M. program who are/were CPAs with Big4 experience - you could definitely go to law school, get a joint J.D./LL.M. in tax, and then either go back to a Big4 or to a law firm that does tax work. Whether you would make enough extra money to warrant the cost of law school... I have no idea. I do know that the CPA people in my program were pretty good students who all either a) had good day jobs or b) were able to find Big 4 or biglaw work. So it's not an impossible path.
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Jul 4, 2012 03:05
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Is an accounting designation (CPA, CA, CGA...) or LL.M necessary or important to becoming a tax attorney?
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WaveLength posted:Is an accounting designation (CPA, CA, CGA...) or LL.M necessary or important to becoming a tax attorney? Not necessary but all of the new (ie since 2005) tax attorneys at my firm have LLMs and a few are CPAs. Hiring discussions always give precedence to applicants with the LLM.
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nm posted:I think we need to have the name of the school here. Cornell.
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Do you guys think that American law schools would take into consideration that my Canadian school doesn't give A+'s? My point being that the highest grade I can get as far as LSDAS (and by extension US News) is concerned is a 4.0/4.33
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Green Crayons posted:To dispel any misconceptions, this is a completely baseless compliment. The best I can excuse myself with is that he was being very nice about giving me drinks. But whoops so much for loving that up and just not leaving to get drunk on my own. See you on the other side of the employment line!
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WaveLength posted:Do you guys think that American law schools would take into consideration that my Canadian school doesn't give A+'s? My point being that the highest grade I can get as far as LSDAS (and by extension US News) is concerned is a 4.0/4.33 Each university is given a weighting by law school admissions, because not every 4.0 is created equal. So assuming your univeristy is big enough to merit calculating a rating, the law schools will weight your GPA. But each one will weight it differently with their own internal formulas, so it's hard to know what you'd face. But screw GPA, try to figure out a way to claim you're an Alaskan native or something like that.
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WaveLength posted:Do you guys think that American law schools would take into consideration that my Canadian school doesn't give A+'s? My point being that the highest grade I can get as far as LSDAS (and by extension US News) is concerned is a 4.0/4.33 Most US UG schools don't give an A+ either.
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woozle wuzzle posted:Each university is given a weighting by law school admissions, because not every 4.0 is created equal. So assuming your univeristy is big enough to merit calculating a rating, the law schools will weight your GPA. But each one will weight it differently with their own internal formulas, so it's hard to know what you'd face. I'm a white South African, but I don't think I could claim African-Canadian status with a straight face. And Jews aren't exactly under-represented either. Paramour posted:Most US UG schools don't give an A+ either. Really? Looking at HYS admissions, their 75th percentile GPAs are all above 4.0.
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Paramour posted:Most US UG schools don't give an A+ either. I know my Undergraduate school gave A+ grades, but they counted the same as an A- (IE: all A-level grades are 4.0, B-level are 3.0, etc) whereas my Graduate school had A as the highest grade (4.0) with A- being 3.7, etc. I think my Undergraduate alma mater is changing towards the latter policy going forward, however. Also, I met my brother's trainer at the gym and he was a former law school admissions officer and attorney. His advice: DON'T GO TO LAW SCHOOL (although he said he enjoying the program itself, he said the law firm work was an unsatisfying pain in the rear end whereas he enjoys being a personal trainer).
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WaveLength posted:Really? Looking at HYS admissions, their 75th percentile GPAs are all above 4.0. I feel like it's usually only liberal arts schools that give A+s, although I'm probably just talking out my rear end right now. If you look at profiles at sites like LSN, there are far more people with 4.0s than 4.33s, although that might be LSDAS rejiggering the GPA.
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Paramour posted:I feel like it's usually only liberal arts schools that give A+s, although I'm probably just talking out my rear end right now. If you look at profiles at sites like LSN, there are far more people with 4.0s than 4.33s, although that might be LSDAS rejiggering the GPA. The UCs give out A+s for all degrees.
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Is there any justification for the stupid 4 grade scale? 10 would make nice clean numbers and 100 wouldn't needed to be converted.
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Colorblind Pilot posted:The UCs give out A+s for all degrees. There you go.
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Was this posted before? I don't remember it. Goons are saved!quote:A former law student has won a bid in bankruptcy court to discharge nearly $340,000 in education debt because her diagnosis of Asperger Syndrome rendered her unable to repay the loans.
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:Was this posted before? I don't remember it. Goons are saved! Yea, but she's crazy. Most people here don't apply. eta: Also, most people aren't pressured into doing poo poo by the DoE. Her situation is unfortunate, but also atypical. Zenostein fucked around with this message at 05:18 on Jul 5, 2012 |
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:Was this posted before? I don't remember it. Goons are saved! It was posted before, and I noted that a rather mundane bear mauling could discharge you from your student debt. Also, I'm selling bear sighting tourism packages for $2.00.
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entris posted:You know how sometimes you read about a successful lawyer, and you go "drat, that person is ridiculous and better than me in every way"? (For law students, you do this, you know you do, every time you read about the newest SCOTUS law clerks, or in my case, whenever I talk to Green Crayons)
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About to meet with another lawyer and accuse him of stealing ~200k from my client. If I don't make it out of the meeting, my only regret was that whataburger milkshake.
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Roger_Mudd posted:About to meet with another lawyer and accuse him of stealing ~200k from my client. Drinking it, or not drinking it? Also since you are a fellow Texan I am going to assume you are bringing along your good dueling six shooter if it comes to that edit: this reminds me of a book I read while in law school wherein the legal system had evolved to have many disputes settled out of court by lawyers who were also gunfighters in Texas
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Roger_Mudd posted:About to meet with another lawyer and accuse him of stealing ~200k from my client. Don't think of him as another lawyer. In this situation, he is the same as any other scofflaw or ne'er-do-well who has made off with your client's money.
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I made it out alive, claims my client will have her money back next week. We'll see. Acted like a kid with his hand in the cookie jar and couldn't seem to remember any details regarding his representation. Yes, I did have a witness who may or may-not have a concealed hand gun permit.
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Roger_Mudd posted:I made it out alive, claims my client will have her money back next week. We'll see. I'd hire you.
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HiddenReplaced posted:I'd hire you. Would you hire me? I'd hire me. 
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Roger_Mudd posted:I made it out alive, claims my client will have her money back next week. We'll see. Get the money... then report his rear end If he does cough up any money, it's probably something he stole from another case. And you might have some kinda duty.
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I'm sure you've got a duty to report it.
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Yeah gonna get the money first.
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What Roger_Mudd/woozle said. Money, then report. You should also see if he tries to get you to settle, and asks you to promise not to report him to the bar as part of the settlement. I think it's an independent ethical violation. Either that or it's unenforceable...I forget and am not bothering to study for the MPRE for another month or so.
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Arcturas posted:What Roger_Mudd/woozle said. Money, then report. I think it's unenforceable because you can't contract out of your ethical duty to report. Also I could just have my client report him.
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Incredulous Red posted:So I'll be working free for the LA City Attorney's office this summer. Congrats. I did free government work myself and it worked out well.
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How specialized are patent attorneys, usually? (Read: my undergrad required 2 years of physics and a year of chemistry for my CS degree, if I go into law will this help me get a job in any way)
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Amarkov posted:How specialized are patent attorneys, usually? (Read: my undergrad required 2 years of physics and a year of chemistry for my CS degree, if I go into law will this help me get a job in any way) Your CS degree is (e: probably; depends on the institution) enough on its own. e: see this e2: quote:Acceptable Computer Science degrees must be accredited by the Computer Science Accreditation Commission (CSAC) of the Computing Sciences Accreditation Board (CSAB), or by the Computing Accreditation Commission (CAC) of the Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology (ABET), on or before the date the degree was awarded. Computer science degrees that are accredited may be found on the Internet (http://www.abet.org). WhiskeyJuvenile fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Jul 6, 2012 |
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Related followup question. If I end up in a T14 (Berkeley or Stanford specifically), is it reasonable to plan for a career in patent law? I don't think I'd really be happy in other specializations, so if I run the risk of ending up in finance or something I'd rather listen to the OP and not go.
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Amarkov posted:Related followup question. If I end up in a T14, Berkeley or Stanford specifically, is it reasonable to plan for a career in patent law? I don't think I'd really be happy in other specializations, so if I run the risk of ending up in finance or something I'd rather listen to the OP and not go. For the Columbia OCI, there were a ton of chance to apply for a patent position. Since not a lot of people had engineering degrees it was probably pretty easy to load up on those.
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