|
There are people who refuse to wear seatbelts just because it's government intervention 
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 00:46
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 17, 2024 06:49 |
|
|
Nenonen posted:There are people who refuse to wear seatbelts just because it's government intervention They do exist. My father was on one of them until he almost died in a DUI. now he wears it because it's the smart thing to do.  Its such an apt metaphor for healthcare I don't know what to say
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 00:49
|
|
|
Nenonen posted:There are people who refuse to wear seatbelts just because it's government intervention Yeah, look up Derek Kieper. Whiny college republican who complains about the tyranny of seatbelt laws, and then gets ejected from a car in a rollover accident while everybody else is buckled in and survives.
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 02:43
|
|
|
It has the ultimate ironic libertarian death at the bottom. Biker going to a protest against mandatory helmet laws dies when he falls off his bike while not wearing a helmet, death would have been prevented had he been wearing a helmet. http://www.snopes.com/autos/accident/seatbelt.asp
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 02:55
|
|
|
Much like Dale Earnhardt Sr protesting the Hans Device and then dying of a snapped neck where a Hans Device would have saved his life. 
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 03:04
|
|
|
I came across a pamphlet in my mom's room about some biker organization (her husband's family ride bikes) that was talking about how they protected the rights of bikers and one of the bullet points they had was that they successfully overturned mandatory helmet laws in a state, and I read it three times to make sure I saw it correctly because I couldn't comprehend the concept of abolishing a mandatory helmet law being considered a good thing.
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 03:39
|
|
|
Oh man, better not let any Dutch goons catch you saying that. 
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 03:51
|
|
|
Twelve by Pies posted:I came across a pamphlet in my mom's room about some biker organization (her husband's family ride bikes) that was talking about how they protected the rights of bikers and one of the bullet points they had was that they successfully overturned mandatory helmet laws in a state, and I read it three times to make sure I saw it correctly because I couldn't comprehend the concept of abolishing a mandatory helmet law being considered a good thing. But, but my luxurious lovely locks deserve to blow free in the wind when I'm cruising down the highway! If I can't do that, I won't look cool! 
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 04:06
|
|
|
ProperGanderPusher posted:But, but my luxurious lovely locks deserve to blow free in the wind when I'm cruising down the highway! If I can't do that, I won't look cool! No one thinks they look cool while riding a bike.
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 04:09
|
|
|
muike posted:No one thinks they look cool while riding a bike. That post was almost certainly talking about motorcycles. I can't think of anywhere i've ever lived that had mandatory bicycle helmet laws except one (that only applied to kids under 16).
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 04:39
|
|
|
andrew smash posted:That post was almost certainly talking about motorcycles. I can't think of anywhere i've ever lived that had mandatory bicycle helmet laws except one (that only applied to kids under 16). Welcome to Australia and its wonderful compulsory bicycle helmet laws that are roundly ignored by large swathes of the population and routinely unforced...
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 05:09
|
|
|
Some people argue that an enforced helmet law would just reduce the number of riders, and the lower number of bikes would lead to more road accidents as car drivers stopped having to pay attention as frequently, and that things like adding separate bike lanes and mandating side-guards on large trucks would do more good for the safety of cyclists. I'm not sure if I really buy it, though- I fell off my bike when my chain slipped and would have really smacked my temple on the asphalt if I hadn't been wearing a helmet.
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 06:48
|
|
|
The Dark One posted:Some people argue that an enforced helmet law would just reduce the number of riders, and the lower number of bikes would lead to more road accidents as car drivers stopped having to pay attention as frequently, and that things like adding separate bike lanes and mandating side-guards on large trucks would do more good for the safety of cyclists. That's the most absurd argument I've ever read.
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 06:56
|
|
|
Twelve by Pies posted:I came across a pamphlet in my mom's room about some biker organization (her husband's family ride bikes) that was talking about how they protected the rights of bikers and one of the bullet points they had was that they successfully overturned mandatory helmet laws in a state, and I read it three times to make sure I saw it correctly because I couldn't comprehend the concept of abolishing a mandatory helmet law being considered a good thing. I know a lot of motorcycle riders, and maybe 1 or 2 wear a helmet. A group rode cross country recently and they only wore helmets in states where it was required by law, soon as they hit the state line, helmets went on/back off. I can understand some of the issues people have with the helmets, but preventing brain trauma seems worth spending the money on a helmet.
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 07:19
|
|
|
Are we talking Harley riders, or Other? Almost all stupid motorcycle-related poo poo in the US is related to riders of Harleys, other American cruisers or choppers. Almost all that isn't is squids on super sports. The rest of the motorcycling community is generally sane. (And friendly and inclusive.)
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 07:56
|
|
|
Glitterbomber posted:That's the most absurd argument I've ever read. Doesn't stop it from being made, though. http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1212972--cycling-review-calls-for-truck-side-guards-helmets-for-everyone http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/cycling-helmet-laws-not-so-clear-cut-on-many-issues/article4366972/
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 08:12
|
|
|
I don't want to reduce my risk of traumatic brain injury because it may mess up my sweet 'do. 
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 08:19
|
|
|
CitizenKain posted:I know a lot of motorcycle riders, and maybe 1 or 2 wear a helmet. A group rode cross country recently and they only wore helmets in states where it was required by law, soon as they hit the state line, helmets went on/back off. I don't even understand people who wear open-face lids - I had a stone chip crack my visor right over my right eye once, I'd almost certainly be blind if it weren't for a full-face crash helmet. Mind you I've had people explain to me, at great length, how helmets cause basal skull fractures and the reason they're compulsory is that the NHS would rather bikers had a quick death than having to keep them alive for a while. I've even had a doctor trying to argue (at least the first part of) that. (There is, as is often the case, a tiny grain of truth around which the pearl of bullshit has grown. The very first full-face crash helmets in the 70s were very poorly designed - heavy, made of polycarbonate (which bounces rather than cracks when it hits the ground) with nowhere near enough padding and a design at the back of the neck that acted like a guillotine if you hit the ground face-first (open-face lids had/have the same design - luckily your face acts as a very effective crumple zone if you're wearing one of them, but personally I'd rather not have my face used as a crumple zone...) so there were a few deaths attributed to their use. Luckily the market corrected oh wait no the big bad government intervened and forced them to change the design. MY FREEDOM!)
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 08:30
|
|
|
quote:Helmet myths These remind me of a popular US Army myth during WW2 of how you should not wear the chin strap because a nearby shell explosion could yank the helmet so that it would break your neck. Never mind that for that to happen the blast would have to be powerful enough to bust your lungs, and in the middle of an artillery barrage would be the worst possible moment for your helmet to fall off. Nevertheless an unyielding strap is dangerous in general, so a new buckle mechanism was designed.
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 09:05
|
|
|
How my brains and the asphalt interact is no one's business but my own.  And the coroner's office.
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 09:14
|
|
|
MariusLecter posted:And the coroner's office. Get big government out of my free-market decomposition!
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 09:40
|
|
|
Nenonen posted:These remind me of a popular US Army myth during WW2 of how you should not wear the chin strap because a nearby shell explosion could yank the helmet so that it would break your neck. It is still standard operating procedure on US Navy minesweepers to unbuckle the chin strap while doing operations in a minefield while standing watch in combat because if a mine goes off under you, there is a chance the helmet will get snagged on the wiring and equipment above you and choke you out and/or dislocate your jaw after slamming into the overhead. (This assumes the explosion is strong enough that it snaps your seatbelt but doesn't somehow break your neck or just drive you straight through the ceiling. )
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 10:29
|
|
|
VideoTapir posted:Are we talking Harley riders, or Other? Ah yes, sane is exactly what comes to mind when I see someone on one of those crotch rockets lane splitting while doing a wheelie wearing a lovely leather jacket with "Hellz Jokerz" stitched on the back.
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 12:27
|
|
|
thingsthatneverhappened.txt Did you even read what he wrote?
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 13:58
|
|
|
This is one I hadn't seen before, posted by my tea party friend I met through community theatre. Obama's Social Security Number Challenged after a private investigator finds it was issued in Connecticut in the 70s. Sent him a Snopes article saying "That's not exactly how the numbers work." I'll probably get ganged up on by him and his nutso family. I'm gonna be producing a show for the same theatre I met this dude at, and I really hope he doesn't audition. If he doesn't get cast, he'll probably think I convinced the director not to let him in because of our political arguments.
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 14:56
|
|
|
a friend's dad sent this to our mutual friend the other night, and it's priceless greedwhoring/not understanding what the gently caress you're talking about at it's finest. "FWD: We have not found the Higgs Boson. It does not exist, cannot exist. They say that they think it is 150x as massive as a proton yet, they say, it "gives" the proton and every other particle its mass. There is no accelerator powerful enough to repeat the experiment so they can say anything. I told you a year ago they would make this claim to justify the billions robbed from Eurozone taxpayers." Actually the DOE shut down something that might have been able to replicate the experiment, and also dude knows jack poo poo about particles and how they work. edit: Also let's turn one of the biggest scientific discoveries ever into a TAXES ARE TOO drat HIGH IN A PLACE I DON'T LIVE discussion, that totally makes sense MrQwerty fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Jul 6, 2012 |
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 15:48
|
|
|
MrQwerty posted:a friend's dad sent this to our mutual friend the other night, and it's priceless greedwhoring/not understanding what the gently caress you're talking about at it's finest. you can probably get a pretty solid rebuttal if you post this in the GBS Higgs Boson thread. There's two folks there who work at the LHC. Of course, I doubt reason will convince anyone who's that far gone
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 16:01
|
|
|
MrQwerty posted:a friend's dad sent this to our mutual friend the other night, and it's priceless greedwhoring/not understanding what the gently caress you're talking about at it's finest. If he brings it up in conversation, or something like that, be sure to ask where he got his PhD in quantum physics from. Sulphuric Sundae posted:
It couldn't possibly be that he isn't good enough at acting. No, there's always a conspiracy against conservatives.
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 16:01
|
|
|
Not finding the Higgs Boson would have been a bigger discovery than finding it. As is my understanding, the current models expected it to be there. So discovering that it didn't exist would have meant re-working quite a few things and would have made much larger waves in the scientific community. Whatever you do, don't tell him that US tax dollars went into the LHC. Better not mention the smaller domestic particle accelerator located under Michigan State University either. http://www.frib.msu.edu/ Edit: Sorry, wrong giant underground science thing http://www.nscl.msu.edu/ U of M's: http://www-ners.engin.umich.edu/research/Mibl/index.html I went to this school for 3 years without knowing this existed: http://tesla.physics.wmich.edu/Research/Facilities/Van_de_Graaff_Accelerator/ babies havin rabies fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Jul 6, 2012 |
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 16:16
|
|
|
babies havin rabies posted:Not finding the Higgs Boson would have been a bigger discovery than finding it. As is my understanding, the current models expected it to be there. So discovering that it didn't exist would have meant re-working quite a few things and would have made much larger waves. Absolutely, which is why that e-mail is even more full of tea party anti-Europe poo poo than it would have been otherwise.
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 16:18
|
|
|
No but you see science is a religion and every theory is irrefutable dogma that scientists refuse to question.
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 16:23
|
|
|
Tomahawk posted:Ah yes, sane is exactly what comes to mind when I see someone on one of those crotch rockets lane splitting while doing a wheelie wearing a lovely leather jacket with "Hellz Jokerz" stitched on the back. Grandma please don't post on SA, I don't want you seeing goatse 
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 17:39
|
|
|
1stGear posted:No but you see science is a religion and every theory is irrefutable dogma that scientists refuse to question. Look, I just think the controversy should be taught to our kids. Sorry if you're too dogmatic to understand that 
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 18:01
|
|
|
Anti-Europe, eh? Do they know that the United States was going build a bigger, better, freer LHC in the 1980/90's (when Americans still kicked everyone's rear end at science)? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_Super_Collider Thanks Reagan & H.W.!
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 18:23
|
|
|
red19fire posted:It couldn't possibly be that he isn't good enough at acting. No, there's always a conspiracy against conservatives. In the show we were in, he was a good actor and a funny guy, which is why it upset me so much when the first thing I saw when I added him on Facebook was "Look at this Sandra Fluke slut! I can't believe she has so much sex she can't afford birth control!" I think he does have a little persecution complex about being conservative, though. And there are few groups I've been in as liberal as tax-and-donation-funded community theatre. Speaking of people from that theatre, I've also acted with a tea partier with aspergers. He's been on disability for years and is poor as dirt, but he hates the very policies that would help him get back out into the working world.
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 18:37
|
|
|
HipGnosis posted:Anti-Europe, eh? Do they know that the United States was going build a bigger, better, freer LHC in the 1980/90's (when Americans still kicked everyone's rear end at science)? It's like a giant monument to cognitive dissonance and American exceptionalism; we're number 1, but don't want to actually provide the funds to make it a reality. For reference, the SSC would cost about 0.02% of our current annual military budget just to build outright.
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 18:55
|
|
|
Is it worth even thinking about where we'd be now in science and physics if they had stayed the course with the SSC? Or that just too depressing?
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 19:22
|
|
|
HipGnosis posted:Is it worth even thinking about where we'd be now in science and physics if they had stayed the course with the SSC? Or that just too depressing? Way too depressing. Not just that, but all the Science Projects that got cut in spending battles.
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 19:26
|
|
|
I know it's from last page but this site is awesome. I'm going to have my sister submit her story. She's an American citizen but she was at grad school in London when something happened to her. She ended up at the hospital where she was treated for a minimal amount of money because of UHC, even as a non-citizen. Awesome. And the best part is my mom flew there, was amazed by the system, then flew back and remains staunchly conservative and anti UHC. EnsGDT fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Jul 6, 2012 |
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 20:29
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 17, 2024 06:49 |
|
|
HipGnosis posted:Is it worth even thinking about where we'd be now in science and physics if they had stayed the course with the SSC? Or that just too depressing?
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2012 20:40
|
|