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Deviant posted:All the players know the rules, they should be able to set up the terrain without your help. E: No top of page support makes me so very sad.  E:E: It's even page 3x9... Shockeh fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Jul 9, 2012 |
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Deviant posted:Let me rephrase this: There's nothing wrong with what Corrode wants to do for his own tournament. Jesus Christ, there's someone who is making me want to defend Corrode. 
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Jul 9, 2012 20:02
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Corrode posted:That isn't the question I asked. No, it's the answer to the question you were really asking. Setting up the terrain by the book introduces no additional complexity on the part of the TO, and allows the usage of all legal FOC terrain. There's no good reason not to.
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Jul 9, 2012 20:02
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Deviant posted:No, it's the answer to the question you were really asking. So what you mean is that no, you haven't, and you have no idea of what's involved. Shut the gently caress up.
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Jul 9, 2012 20:03
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theironjef posted:We had the first houserule go official in our store league in about 24 hours. It's an amendment to the Tyranid FAQ, that reads: If I model my own tyranidy Bastion and replace the heavy bolters/emplaced weapons with tyranid looking weapons can embarked tyranids fire them? Can embarked non-tyranids fire them?!?!?
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Jul 9, 2012 20:04
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Ya'll dudes really doing the "you could just not play" thing because that's kind of lame. It's true, of course, but bringing that up is super obvious and isn't really helping things, because you could always just "not do" something you spent a lot of money on and enjoy. Not hatin', just sayin'. Also Corrode do you have people helping you with the tournament business? Because goddamn, terrain or not, even GW, who make the rules, need more than one homeboy runnin' around making sure hams aren't sticking terminators up their noses or fingerpainting their guardsmen.
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Jul 9, 2012 20:06
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PierreTheMime posted:Okay, how many points is this guy? SIX BRB powers and the option to expend one of his three warp charges (as good a psyker as Eldrad) to get a 2+ Invulnerable save at the beginning of his turn that lasts until his next turn? 205.
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Jul 9, 2012 20:06
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Corrode posted:So what you mean is that no, you haven't, and you have no idea of what's involved. Shut the gently caress up.  Real answer: I don't need to be an artist to know what sucks. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 9, 2012 20:06
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The Saddest Robot posted:If I model my own tyranidy Bastion and replace the heavy bolters/emplaced weapons with tyranid looking weapons can embarked tyranids fire them? A: No to the first question and yes to the second. The reason is because non-Tyranid armies have carefully studied Tyranid bioorganisms and can operate them without much difficulty. 
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Jul 9, 2012 20:07
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As long as their stats are still correct, why can't Tyranids fire them? I'd love to see a Tyranid Bastion spraying biogoop everywhere.
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Jul 9, 2012 20:08
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No, I couldn't care less what you think of my events. I'm just furious that someone is actually posting DakkaDakka level 'pure 40k only 40k' bullshit in this otherwise good thread. Babe Magnet, there's myself and one other. We have a couple buddies who pitch in with terrain transport and set-up because that's by far the hardest part.
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Jul 9, 2012 20:10
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Just out of Curiosity, are the Stormtalons or Stormravens any good? Also, what do Marines have for AA? I am assuming that massed Baal Predator chain gun fire would probably bring things down nicely, but I am not sure. (probably not as nicely as a Leman Russ Punisher though... I think.)
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Jul 9, 2012 20:10
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Doesn't one of the Dark Eldar HQ units have like fifty billion BS but no gun? A might convince my DE bro to grab an emplacement kit.Corrode posted:Babe Magnet, there's myself and one other. We have a couple buddies who pitch in with terrain transport and set-up because that's by far the hardest part. I can see how terrain could be a problem, but that's literally covered in the rules now, so without having to set-up, things should actually be a bit easier on you. You just have to have the terrain on-hand. Have you ran a tournament with the new terrain rules yet? Babe Magnet fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Jul 9, 2012 |
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jadebullet posted:Just out of Curiosity, are the Stormtalons or Stormravens any good? Your AA is basically allied Guard with Hydras, the Aegis Defence Line or using your own planes.
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Jul 9, 2012 20:11
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Phyresis posted:Yeah, I'm familiar with the NOVA setup and I love what you guys are doing, btw. NOVA is the model that all 40k tournaments should strive to follow. There's a logistical issue here. Letting a player replace that piece of terrain would mean we'd have to find a place to put them. Stuff would get lost or misplaced, and they wouldn't necessarily put it back after the game was done. Terrain building is a major part of making a tournament fun. This isn't directed at you Phyresis, but to put things into perspective a 256 man tournmanet (ie just the 40K part of NOVA) requires 128 tables. That means using our 7 piece system we need 896 pieces of terrain. If we strictly followed the BRB we would need an average of 12 pieces of terrain per table (d3 pieces per 2'x2' section), or 1536 not including spares. For an idea of how insane a task just getting enough terrain for the current system is check out Mike Brandt's Whiskey & 40K blog. Mike is the lead for the NOVA Open and the guy who runs everything. I just handle scoring and also help around with paint judging and whatnot. Deviant it's a shame you don't like the NOVA style format. It's actually a very good format for competitive play, and there have been plenty of other tournmanets that use it successfully. But it's definitely a variation on 40K, and nobody disputes that. The terrain setup is different, the missions are different, it will most likely have its own FAQ, and there are no apologies for that.
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Jul 9, 2012 20:11
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Babe Magnet posted:Doesn't one of the Dark Eldar HQ units have like fifty billion BS but no gun? A might convince my DE bro to grab an emplacement kit. Yeah, Lelith has 9 BS and no guns. She's also 185 points.
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Jul 9, 2012 20:12
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Shockeh posted:As long as their stats are still correct, why can't Tyranids fire them? I'd love to see a Tyranid Bastion spraying biogoop everywhere. I'm still going to make a biocannon for an Interceptor Skyfire gun and use walls of plastic foliage properly shaped and sized to ADL measurements in some of my lists. Having a critter blindly fire at the closest valid target is pretty Tyranid-y. Mycetic Sporepods are BS2 as well, so it's somewhat fluffy albeit an unnecessary nerf super-glued onto the already sizeable pile of Nerf products that GW tossed at Tyranid in 6th Ed.
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Jul 9, 2012 20:12
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Moonwolf posted:Yeah, Lelith has 9 BS and no guns. She's also 185 points. True but she'll be in the back behind some cover the entire game or so, on a neat gun, so it could be worth it.
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Jul 9, 2012 20:14
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The Saddest Robot posted:My brother in law is interested in the tau, he likes the aesthetics. So instead of pairing up my Deathwing with a zippy Eldar force I think I will pair them up with a shooty tau force. But I don't know poo poo about tau, except that broadsides and smart missiles are good if you can get a markerlight hit on a flyer. Target Lock has been FAQed to do nothing
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Jul 9, 2012 20:14
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Deviant it's a shame you don't like the NOVA style format. It's actually a very good format for competitive play, and there have been plenty of other tournmanets that use it successfully. But it's definitely a variation on 40K, and nobody disputes that. The terrain setup is different, the missions are different, it will most likely have its own FAQ, and there are no apologies for that. I'd like it just fine if I were allowed to bring legal army choices. It's that simple. As soon as you tell me I can't take a simple BRB FOC choice, we have a problem. It's like saying "We only use 2 heavy support slots". V-- We were just taking a turn back towards civility, so go fill out your hurt feelings report. Deviant fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Jul 9, 2012 |
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Jul 9, 2012 20:15
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Deviant posted:I'd like it just fine if I were allowed to bring legal army choices. It's that simple. As soon as you tell me I can't take a simple BRB FOC choice, we have a problem. It's like saying "We only use 2 heavy support slots". I'm sure you'll be sorely missed.
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Jul 9, 2012 20:16
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jadebullet posted:Also, what do Marines have for AA? I am assuming that massed Baal Predator chain gun fire would probably bring things down nicely, but I am not sure. (probably not as nicely as a Leman Russ Punisher though... I think.) Mortis pattern Contemptors get skyfire when staying still. Basicallly will gently caress any flyer out of the sky. Then there is the Whirlwind Hyperios but it's pretty much Anti Air only (has skyfire and interceptor). The Contemptor can still kill other stuff if you knock out the enemies fliers, the Hyperios is a one trick pony. I think you can fit a Land Raider Helios with a Hyperios launcher as well but that's really not cost effective.
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Jul 9, 2012 20:18
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You guys don't have to be such dicks to each other all the time.
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CyberLord XP posted:Then there is the Whirlwind Hyperios but it's pretty much Anti Air only (has skyfire and interceptor). The opposite of this is true; the fact that it has Skyfire and Interceptor means it's not anti-air only. e: it's also beyond god-awful, 115 points for one krak missile.
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Jul 9, 2012 20:20
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pw pw pw posted:You guys don't have to be such dicks to each other all the time. What are you talking about, this is great. Someone's going to check this thread later tonight and they'll see a shitload of posts and instead of content it'll just be hams burning hams left and right.
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Jul 9, 2012 20:21
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CyberLord XP posted:Then there is the Whirlwind Hyperios but it's pretty much Anti Air only (has skyfire and interceptor). The Contemptor can still kill other stuff if you knock out the enemies fliers, the Hyperios is a one trick pony. I was under the impression that a model with both Skyfire and Interceptor could opt to fire at models on the ground as well. I could be wrong, but I left my book in the car and it's so far away. E: Phyresis  EE: Hot drat this thread moves so fast nowadays.
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PierreTheMime posted:I was under the impression that a model with both Skyfire and Interceptor could opt to fire at models on the ground as well. I could be wrong, but I left my book in the car and it's so far away. This is correct. quote:If a weapon has both the Interceptor
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Jul 9, 2012 20:22
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So what's the mortis contemptor loadout? Twin kheres or twin autocannon?
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Corrode posted:No, I couldn't care less what you think of my events. I'm just furious that someone is actually posting DakkaDakka level 'pure 40k only 40k' bullshit in this otherwise good thread. What tournament do you run? Deviant posted:I'd like it just fine if I were allowed to bring legal army choices. It's that simple. As soon as you tell me I can't take a simple BRB FOC choice, we have a problem. A Fortress of Redemption or Skyshield simply won't fit on the board with our terrain configuration, and we've decided that the logistics behind accommodating such a large fortification simply isn't viable. Given that NOVA will be the first major tournament to incorporate 6th edition it's going to be a major test bed for what does and doesn't work. I'm sure we're going to screw something up, but we'd rather screw it up in 6th then get it perfect in 5th.
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:So what's the mortis contemptor loadout? Let's talk Forgeworld. I was literally just wondering this 15 minutes ago. Imo, twin autocannon because you need the range for anti-air, period. It is going to be exceedingly easy to avoid being within 24" of one, especially since he can't move and Skyfire.
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Jul 9, 2012 20:26
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:What tournament do you run? Then we're going to have to agree to disagree, as I feel your rights as a TO stop short of denying me legitimate unit choices. They are equally as valid as any codex unit.
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Jul 9, 2012 20:26
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Deviant posted:I'd like it just fine if I were allowed to bring legal army choices. It's that simple. As soon as you tell me I can't take a simple BRB FOC choice, we have a problem. It's like saying "We only use 2 heavy support slots". Do you understand just how big the Fortress of Redemption is? Here's a picture from the Apoc game I played earlier this year:  The perspective's a bit off due to the camera angle, but notice how the fucker is bigger than a Hierophant Bio-Titan. I've never played in a tournament myself, but I can absolutely understand that the time restrictions alone would preclude anything more elaborate than the most basic terrain setup, and having to somehow deal with getting that thing on the table is clearly not worth the many, many headaches it would cause.
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Jul 9, 2012 20:28
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Deviant posted:Then we're going to have to agree to disagree, as I feel your rights as a TO stop short of denying me legitimate unit choices. Fair enough. I'm not the TO. Just the guy helping the TO run things. I'll be the one hunched in the back room staring a screen compiling scores.
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Yeah, I don't think he's got a problem with the concept of NOVA or Tournament Homebrews in theory, he's just not a big fan of them if they deliberately limit army choices, which NOVA does. You say you're testing some thing, but if your board can't fit legal army choices, not because it's unfair or imbalanced, but because it's "hard" or "difficult" or it ruins your finely-tuned setup, then you either need to run a new set-up and fix that issue or just accept that NOVA probably isn't that great to run with 6E. But you could be fixing that. I don't play Tournaments myself, for I am poo poo at actually playing this game, so whatever.
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Phyresis posted:Let's talk Forgeworld. I was literally just wondering this 15 minutes ago. Imo, twin autocannon because you need the range for anti-air, period. It is going to be exceedingly easy to avoid being within 24" of one, especially since he can't move and Skyfire. I'm planning on running three, so I'm not worried about range. I've only used a contemptor once (proxied), and giving it two kheres and a CML made it just absolutely rape face. e: Running three on the theory that they'd complement Deathwing much better than three typhoon speeders and a LRC.
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Corrode posted:You're a loving idiot, buddy. I can't think of a way to explain to you how much of a pain in the rear end the rulebook version of terrain set-ups would be for running an event because you're clearly too dumb to grasp it. Removing one (1) fortification from your choices because it makes my life more difficult than it needs to be is not 'not playing 40k' and neither is setting up terrain in the same fashion it's always been done instead of allowing players to gently caress around with it. Up to 18 pieces of terrain is kind of crazy but it says with terrain pool available. So give each table 5-7 pieces, roll off for each section, count hills and poo poo built in to the board as a piece for that 2x2 section and have people place normally. Since a 3" gap has to be between pieces it should all work out. Also if people really want some massive LOS blocking piece or something they can pay the points and make it happen. This will also teach players how to use terrain placement effectively as cover and area denial. I played Mechwarrior: Dark Ages and the terrain was placed similarly to this and it was pretty awesome.
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So how about those fortifications that offer anti aircraft options to armies otherwise without?
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Deviant posted:Then we're going to have to agree to disagree, as I feel your rights as a TO stop short of denying me legitimate unit choices. They are equally as valid as any codex unit. Never look at comp then, it'll make your head explode.
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:I'm planning on running three, so I'm not worried about range. I've only used a contemptor once (proxied), and giving it two kheres and a CML made it just absolutely rape face. They seem good, but those are over 200 points a piece! moths posted:So how about those fortifications that offer anti aircraft options to armies otherwise without? I'm the only one saying this, but those gun emplacements are fragile and expensive. Expect it to die on turn 1 from anti-vehicle heavy weapons fire. I know for sure that I will missile/lascannon it on turn 1 if I'm running flyers.
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Babe Magnet posted:Someone's going to check this thread later tonight and they'll see a shitload of posts and instead of content it'll just be hams burning hams left and right. It's me. I'm the guy.
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