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Gurz posted:All the whining of the Sony-victims itt finally convinced me to invest into m43 - 14mm and 20mm here we go. I'm (from my current point of view) going to miss out on focus peaking and a less aggressive crop factor for my legacy lenses, but m43 seems to be on a roll.
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LiquidRain posted:I have a friend who wants to buy a camera for her dad similar to what she saw me using with my NEX-7, but without spending the $1300 for a NEX-7. What m4/3rds camera should I recommend for an ol' coot? Something at or under $400 (with a lens) and performs well? I see a few Lumixes and Olympuses at that price. The father used to do a lot of film shooting and even his own development, so learning curve shouldn't be a big issue when it comes to the camera menu systems. Recommendations for models? Tell her to figure out what film system her dad uses (assuming he still has his film stuff) and grab an adapter on eBay for it to go along with it. Even with the crop, guy would probably get a kick out of using his old lenses on a new camera,
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I'd probably go for the GX1. They're starting to come down, there was a slickdeal the other day wih kit lens for about 400. I love my GF1, but the GF1/2/3 are mostly the same outside of image processing improvements(and dumbing down of UI). So GX1 or one of the Pens is the way to go, IMO.
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I keep hoping for the OM-D to come down in price, or you know, be available at all. 
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spankmeister posted:I keep hoping for the OM-D to come down in price, or you know, be available at all. Place around the corner from me has them in stock. I think it is the 18-42mm bundle. If I make my decision today, I am stopping over there today to return my nex 7 for that kit plus another lenses. Which should I get?
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20 and 45 are both affordable and great lenses get the 20 first
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Startyde posted:I'd probably go for the GX1. They're starting to come down, there was a slickdeal the other day wih kit lens for about 400. e: Oh it's $479 with a 14-42mm lens at Adoarma with free shipping. wheres my beer fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Jul 11, 2012 |
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Jul 11, 2012 19:00
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Just so happens if you're looking for the GX1 body only, that's the Amazon DOTD for $395 http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-DMC-GX1-Compact-System-Camera/dp/B00604YTFM
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signalnoise posted:Just so happens if you're looking for the GX1 body only, that's the Amazon DOTD for $395 Depending on where you live getting the camera with the lens may still be a better deal. In Washington Amazon.com charges us a sales tax so the body only works out to $440 actual vs 480 no tax from Adorama. It kind of makes me sad the GX1's remote port doesn't double as a mic port.
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signalnoise posted:Just so happens if you're looking for the GX1 body only, that's the Amazon DOTD for $395 So tempting. I'm dying to see what Canon's mirrorless looks like in a couple of weeks.
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Don't forget he wants to get a camera for an old man who probably won't be doing any RAW post-processing. I don't know about the GX1, because I haven't kept up with it, but for the older Panasonic and Olympus m4/3 cameras, I thought the color rendition and noise reduction in jpegs in the Olympus models was pretty significantly better.
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I did just recommend the GX1, but if she wants to bundle in a kit lens it likely won't get bought anyway. Trying to find out what her Dad's old equipment is, but I thought there were adapters for just about anything anyway.
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TheAngryDrunk posted:So tempting. I'm dying to see what Canon's mirrorless looks like in a couple of weeks. As someone who doesn't follow the rumor sites, is there confirmation to this? I know about that pancake lens which seemed to hint at a mirrorless system, but that's it.
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Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:As someone who doesn't follow the rumor sites, is there confirmation to this? I know about that pancake lens which seemed to hint at a mirrorless system, but that's it. http://www.canonrumors.com/2012/07/mirrorless-update-aps-c-cr2/ quote:Going bigger? It seems they're going to potentially challenge the Nex rather than Nikon/Pentax/everyone else. It should be interesting to see how it plays out, especially as if it's APS-C, they'll likely have a way to use EF lenses on it, and maybe even more pancakes.
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Urgh, I hope they are not making a Canon version of the  K-01.
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Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:As someone who doesn't follow the rumor sites, is there confirmation to this? I know about that pancake lens which seemed to hint at a mirrorless system, but that's it. Canon Rumors hasn't given it a CR3 rating yet, which would mean it's pretty much fact. But the new product announcement on July 23rd is fact and there have been rumblings of the mirrorless for a while now.
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You'll all be surprised (when it's their version of the Pentax Q)
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Shmoogy posted:http://www.canonrumors.com/2012/07/mirrorless-update-aps-c-cr2/ That's a little disappointing if true. I was hoping they'd use the GX1 size sensor to keep the lenses size down. But maybe they think the micro4/3 system is too mature to beat, and they are confident they can put out some good but compact APS-C lenses, and be a strong competitor to Sony while it struggles with putting out more NEX lenses.
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Now that I've fallen in love with the X100, I'm hoping they go with retro styling and single purpose dials and whatnot. Make it look like my AE1 Program. but, you know, mirrorless.
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An AE-1 design mirrorless would be sweeeeet.
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rio posted:An AE-1 design mirrorless would be sweeeeet. This would make perfect sense IMHO, exactly like what Olympus did with the OM-D. I hope it's in the upper market segment at least so the OM-D will drop in price maybe hopefully.
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Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:Now that I've fallen in love with the X100, I'm hoping they go with retro styling and single purpose dials and whatnot. Make it look like my AE1 Program. but, you know, mirrorless. They should really just take this and produce it.
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printf posted:They should really just take this and produce it. Holy poo poo that dude is in my head. Though I don't know why you keep the lump for the pentaprism if you're going mirrorless. edit: I guess I need to read what he envisioned.
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I hope they have a well-planned and aggressive lens support strategy. Nikon really hasn't shown much love for their early adopters on their mirrorless system, so it would be nice for Canon to come out and really show folks how it's done. That being said, the next Canon I buy will probably be a FF body. I don't think anyone's going to beat the OM-D this year, so I'm pleased as punch to finally land on a system that doesn't feel like a compromise.
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signalnoise posted:Just so happens if you're looking for the GX1 body only, that's the Amazon DOTD for $395 TheAngryDrunk posted:So tempting. I'm dying to see what Canon's mirrorless looks like in a couple of weeks. Oh gently caress it! GX1 and 20mm f/1.7 ordered.  I'm hoping that I can take this camera with me more often than my DSLR. And if Canon comes out with something that I must have, I know the resale value on this will be pretty good.
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TheAngryDrunk posted:Oh gently caress it! GX1 and 20mm f/1.7 ordered. My GF2 comes everywhere with me. It's a lovely size and having flexibility with your lenses means you can have a little fun.
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TheAngryDrunk posted:Oh gently caress it! GX1 and 20mm f/1.7 ordered. After years of debating what kind of setup I wanted to start getting into photography (almost pulled the trigger on a DSLR countless times), I just went with this exact combo. Any goons with this lens/setup have sample images or experiences they'd like to share? I've spent all day drooling over what's available on Amazon or DPReview but I'd love to see more.
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Jul 13, 2012 09:06
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Flickr tag search is a good way to see lens/body combinations.
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Costello Jello posted:Flickr tag search is a good way to see lens/body combinations. I did not know this. Thanks!
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Tried the 14/2.5 out today. Nice, fast focusing, compact, and very sharp little lens. Amazing what kind of quality they can get out of such compact glass. That leaves me with the E-M5, 14/2.5, 20/1.7, and 45/1.8. Pretty happy with this setup. Question is how much of my big Canon gear I dump now.  Will definitely keep the 7D+500 for wildlife and birding, and probably the 1DsII + 100-400, PC-Nikkor and Samyang 14. The rest might be heading out the door though.
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^I dumped almost all my F mount gear when I switched to MFT. Kept a film body and a couple of my favorite lenses. That was a couple years ago, I can count the times I've used them on one hand. Most of the time I end up using my 35AF point and shoot rather than lug the SLR for film. Nice picks though, I could shoot forever with that set up and maybe a tamron 90mm macro if/when they bring the drat thing over native. The adaptall version is great but I'm getting to old to not have AF. 
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Well, I think I'm likely to make a return to DSLR land. I was looking at the gear I'd buy were I to invest in Micro 4/3rds, and for what I like to shoot, it's nearly twice as expensive as Canon EF-S. The only equivalent to my main-stay lens, the Tamron 17-50, is Panasonic's 12-35 f/2.8. And that Panasonic lens is even more expensive than Canon's 17-55 f/2.8 EF-S. (a lens I sold to get into the NEX :/ ) The second main-stay lens of mine (and a lens I hold near and dear to my heart) is the Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8. The closest thing is the a 7-14mm f/4, $300 more than I can get the Tokina back for. To fill in the large-aperture gap I'd need to pick up the not-quite-as-wide 12mm f/2 lens for $800. (and trust me, the 11mm end of the Tokina is the end I like the most - I like my wide angle to be just-barely-not-fisheye) Add to that the usual assortment of pancakes, and there you have it. Also I'm tired of switching lenses out on my NEX. I've found out I just plain don't like changing lenses, and that I'm not a huge fan of primes. I'm going to follow Canon's announcement next week that's expected to be mirrorless, but I doubt I'm going to be impressed, so it's looking likely that I will return to DSLRs by picking up a used 60D or 7D. Suggestions before I  and sell all my NEX gear and harumph my way back to Canon gear in a pile of tears from the money I've lost?e: the alternate route is to pick up an Alpha adapter and get the equivalent lenses for my NEX, and keep the pancakes around for portability. LiquidRain fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Jul 14, 2012 |
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LiquidRain posted:Well, I think I'm likely to make a return to DSLR land. I was looking at the gear I'd buy were I to invest in Micro 4/3rds, and for what I like to shoot, it's nearly twice as expensive as Canon EF-S. No it's true. I had the same thought. I really want an OM-D and the Panasonic zoom lens, but for that kinda money I could get a 5D Mark II which probably still beats the hell out of the OM-D in terms of image quality. Add to that that a normal prime (50mm 1.8) costs 100 bucks in Canonland and 300-400 in M4/3 country and I'm pretty disillusioned with the system, even though the lenses are great. The only thing that ties me to Olympus is that I already own the 20 and the 45 primes and they've gone through hell with me so their resale value is probably pretty low even though they work fine. (Which, on the other hand, is something that speaks for the M4/3s system. I dropped both lenses more than once onto hard concrete and they both still work like a charm. I dropped the Canon kit zoom once and the autofocus was gone) TLDR: Photography is expensive and whatever choice you make youre gonna regret it. M4/3 is in no way a "cheaper alternative" to Canon or Nikon.
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unleash the unicorn posted:TLDR: Photography is expensive and whatever choice you make youre gonna regret it. M4/3 is in no way a "cheaper alternative" to Canon or Nikon. Yeah, that is quite true. Today you can get a Canon/Nikon setup with decent glass for not a lot of coin. If I wanted a set of good zooms that didn't cost a fortune M43 would be right out for me; being a prime shooter though I am happy to have fast, compact, sharp lenses that are reasonably affordable.
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Clayton Bigsby posted:Yeah, that is quite true. Today you can get a Canon/Nikon setup with decent glass for not a lot of coin. If I wanted a set of good zooms that didn't cost a fortune M43 would be right out for me; being a prime shooter though I am happy to have fast, compact, sharp lenses that are reasonably affordable. I had a good Canon set with nice lenses. I never wanted to lug it around with me so it was worthless most of the time. That's why I sold most of it off and went mirrorless. Now I am happy to have a nice camera with me almost everywhere I go. It's a trade off and it certainly depends on how and what you like to shoot.
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unleash the unicorn posted:TLDR: Photography is expensive and whatever choice you make youre gonna regret it. M4/3 is in no way a "cheaper alternative" to Canon or Nikon. RustedChrome posted:I had a good Canon set with nice lenses. I never wanted to lug it around with me so it was worthless most of the time. That's why I sold most of it off and went mirrorless. Now I am happy to have a nice camera with me almost everywhere I go. It's a trade off and it certainly depends on how and what you like to shoot. [edit] If this is how fast the LA-EA1 focuses then no way in hell am I buying it. I consider the NEX-7 slow enough as it is! And no, I'm not willing to live with the LA-EA2's incoming light hit. That's a line I'm not crossing. LiquidRain fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Jul 15, 2012 |
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Hay guys i got an olympus pen!  
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Some pretty funky lenses. http://lensbaby.com/lenses Edit: vvv Thanks. Actually, they support a range of mounts mounts for these Mirrorless cameras: Samsung NX, Panasonic Lumix™ G Micro System, Olympus PEN®, and Sony® α NEX digital cameras. accipter fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Jul 18, 2012 |
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accipter posted:Some pretty funky lenses. Too bad they only support Olympus 4/3 They sell NEX and MFT models of their lenses, but I'd rather spend a few more dollar and get an adapter so I can use their lens on another system.
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Welp, I got an OM-D yesterday and so begins my journey into Micro 4/3rds land. I had to read many reviews to convince me that the "downgrade" from my APS-sized NEX sensor isn't that big a deal, especially combined with all the nice juicy features the OM-D offers (the image stabilization is awesome!). With the 12-50 kit lens, the OM-D is kinda heavy for a mirrorless. The 20mm 1.7 pancake lens should fix that. I hope I can sell the kit lens for a reasonable price on craigslist or whatever.
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