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The hardest thing about being a racist is knowing which race to hate the most.
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Jul 12, 2012 12:22
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Mr Cuddles posted:The hardest thing about being a racist is knowing which race to hate the most. The funniest thing in race hate is the current split between "argh gently caress the jews" and "the jews should be our allies against the real enemy, arabs!"
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Jul 12, 2012 12:29
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TheIllestVillain posted:I don't have much experience with the hillbilly type shitheels the EDL generally cater to, I've only ever conversed with the 'racialist' Stormfront types who believe people from the Caucasus (Stalin) aren't white because it's sort-of in Asia. Racists move goalposts around? Stone the crows. EDIT: this isn't meant to come off as a "ugh you thicko" or "everyone knows that" sort of thing Chocolate Teapot fucked around with this message at 13:29 on Jul 12, 2012 |
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Jul 12, 2012 13:26
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Section 31 posted:Eh, it's not exactly a big deal... The EDL probably don't think it through that much beyond "BROWN=BAD" but the BNP and the rest of the British far-right are virulently anti-Communist - and like I said the main clients for those missiles are Muslim countries. Like I say it's not on the same level as the BNP using that 303 Squadron Spitfire on their anti-Polish immigration leaflet, but it's still good fun.
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Jul 12, 2012 13:31
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Poizen Jam posted:Do idiotic people on both sides of the fence just enjoy feeding each other's hatred? Or is this just a case of the EDL pushing too far? Because neither side has any moral leg to stand on... It's possible it was more a reaction to the EDL's constant provocation on Islam, though, like Stephen Lennon's attempted Koran-burning stunt. Last time I looked at their Facebook page Allah was referred to as a paedophile. Then again they refer to pretty much anyone in opposition to them as a paedophile, which I don't know whether to take as amusing or kind of concerning.
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Jul 13, 2012 13:46
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goddamnedtwisto posted:The EDL probably don't think it through that much beyond "BROWN=BAD" but the BNP and the rest of the British far-right are virulently anti-Communist - and like I said the main clients for those missiles are Muslim countries. Like I say it's not on the same level as the BNP using that 303 Squadron Spitfire on their anti-Polish immigration leaflet, but it's still good fun. All I have is facebook comments to go on, but many edl'ers seem to hate "reds" and "uaf commies" as much as muslims, any many will complain about the "marxist government" keeping them down. Yes, the tories, as marxists...
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Jul 13, 2012 14:36
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Yep been prepping all week!
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Jul 13, 2012 14:54
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Fluo posted:Yep been prepping all week! I just hope it stays away from Pride 
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Jul 13, 2012 15:25
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mfcrocker posted:I just hope it stays away from Pride Yep, the location keeps getting changed, at the moment the EDL is meant to be at Queens Square, Anti EDL the centre [by the lovely fountains], and the Pride at College Green. But seems alot of anti EDL are going to temple meads first to try and stop the EDL but there is meant to be poo poo tons of cops there from the early morning.  I don't know where the 'rebel' EDL are going to go, rumours has been Stokes Croft but can't confirm anything at the moment. Alot of people are saying different things. Also on the map of Bristol centre, you see the anti EDL is meant to be inbetween the Pride / EDL. As a kind of buffer I guess I don't know. However it seems alot of people aren't going to follow the rules. Most people I've talked to don't know which anti EDL one they are going to, the rebel one at the station or the centre. quote:
Most people aren't going to the centre though, atleast right away. So temple meads seems to be the main one. edit: Only reason I called the temple meads the rebel one is because Bristol City council wants them to go to the centre not temple meads. But noone is going to it seems. Fluo fucked around with this message at 15:50 on Jul 13, 2012 |
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Jul 13, 2012 15:45
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duck monster posted:Its south africa that usually generates the worst of them, to be honest. Then I met some South Africans. Die Antwoord are pretty cool though.
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Jul 13, 2012 16:12
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Fluo posted:edit: Only reason I called the temple meads the rebel one is because Bristol City council wants them to go to the centre not temple meads. But noone is going to it seems. Well, BCC and the "We Are Bristol" organisers. Think the fountains one is going to be far more family-orientated whereas Temple Meads will provide your daily dose of fash bashing. What's this Rebel EDL poo poo? Can't imagine why the gently caress they'd want to go to Stokes Croft, I'd have thought they're in actual danger of getting their faces smashed in there.
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Jul 13, 2012 16:14
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mfcrocker posted:Well, BCC and the "We Are Bristol" organisers. Think the fountains one is going to be far more family-orientated whereas Temple Meads will provide your daily dose of fash bashing. Don't forget we're talking about the EDL here, the super ("special") people. It's just hear say but it seems the rumour started from alot of places up Stokes Croft / St Pauls having No EDL welcome posters in their windows, I don't know. However there is something I've been told which is most likely true, tomorrow The Old Duke and some other pubs are going to be closed because of the EDL. By the way mfcrocker you going aswell?  We could meet up after for a pint of you want.
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Jul 13, 2012 16:26
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mfcrocker posted:What's this Rebel EDL poo poo? Can't imagine why the gently caress they'd want to go to Stokes Croft, I'd have thought they're in actual danger of getting their faces smashed in there. Reasoning and logic is not the EDLs strong point remember.
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Jul 13, 2012 16:27
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Fluo posted:By the way mfcrocker you going aswell? If I do anything tomorrow it'll be popping along to help out with Pride, but I'm dead up for some pintage at some point.
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Jul 13, 2012 16:30
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mfcrocker posted:If I do anything tomorrow it'll be popping along to help out with Pride, but I'm dead up for some pintage at some point. Awesome  !
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Jul 13, 2012 16:32
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http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/article/2029/edl-member-shows-his-true-intentionsquote:
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Jul 13, 2012 16:39
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I know its from last year, but it sums up their brain cell count. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v0GoMQvOoQ "I'd like to build a mosque in Mecca"
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Jul 13, 2012 17:38
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Fluo posted:Yep been prepping all week! I will be there. Not sure where I will be Fluo or who I am with, but if I get a chance I will give you a shout. Ive been winding Mickey Bayliss (leader of Bristol EDL division- all 15 of them) up a treat on Facebook all week. Hes already offered me out for a fight on Saturday, bless him.
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Jul 13, 2012 18:57
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mfcrocker posted:
Its pure football firm mentality. Most of these guys are ex football hooligans and hangers on who cant afford to go to footy now or are banned. Its all about 'doing one in your manner'. Same mentality that sees a firm turn up in a rivals 'manor', be hopelessly outnumbered and then brag who they 'did one'. Bristol is a target because the Antifa groups here are well known as well organised, large in number and able to handle themselves. They also attend other EDL rallys in the UK to offer their support so this is all about the EDL showing them up in their own patch. Its pathetic.
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Jul 13, 2012 19:01
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DesperateDan posted:All I have is facebook comments to go on, but many edl'ers seem to hate "reds" and "uaf commies" as much as muslims, any many will complain about the "marxist government" keeping them down. Yes, the tories, as marxists... It probably relates to the whole Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory thing - in response to the failure of the indigenous working class rising up those dastardly Marxists are using political correctness and immigration of arabs to shift the demographics of this country to make it ready for revolution. Originally it was an anti-semitic conspiracy theory by some US preacher but it is now printed with regularity in the Daily Mail, minus the references to Jews being behind it, by Melanie Phillips and the like.
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Jul 14, 2012 01:25
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Best wishes to you all for today! Stay safe or don't
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Jul 14, 2012 13:33
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GimpChimp posted:It's possible it was more a reaction to the EDL's constant provocation on Islam, though, like Stephen Lennon's attempted Koran-burning stunt. Last time I looked at their Facebook page Allah was referred to as a paedophile. Then again they refer to pretty much anyone in opposition to them as a paedophile, which I don't know whether to take as amusing or kind of concerning. 
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Jul 14, 2012 13:50
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Ha, fair response. Between their penchant for attempted child grooming and fairly regular actual criminal convictions I think it is more a classic case of the paedophile calling the kettle a nonce. http://edlnews.co.uk/index.php/latest-news/latest-news/742-matthew-woodward-edl-unveil-their-latest-paedophile http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/paedophile-still-active-within-edl.html http://edlnews.co.uk/index.php/latest-news/latest-news/739-cxf-deeside-division-leader-convicted-of-child-porn
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Jul 14, 2012 15:45
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EDl thoroughly humiliated in Bristol. No more 250 of them, they were herded and outnumbered by police at least 2 to 1, and got to do their little march pretty much, and saying this with not a hint of exaggeration, without coming to the attention of ayone. The cops had planned them a route that took them through a short walk through the biggets back water on the edge of central Bristol. Even for those of us (about 1000 or so by most estimates) of protestors who were desperately trying to confront them on the main march/rally, we only got a glimpse of them acrss a river for a couple of minutes. Most of the action happened in the morning before they assembled- Antifa groups ran attacks on them as they elft the train station and it ended with the EDL cornered in a pub before the Police kettled it for the EDLs safety. Talking to a lot of Antifa after, the EDL were not really up for a fight and kept running. Same thing happened after the demo, Antifa lay in wait on their trip back to the station and coach park (2 coaches and a minibus pretty much!) and attemped to attack them with little result due to the police protecting them. Seems a smaller element of EDL (probably locals) ended up in a bar on one of the backstreets and were attacked by Antifa with poles and bricks, and took a beating, and again had to be rescued by the cops. All in all a slightly disappointing day as the cops (who had been drafted in from Leicester, Wales and Greater Manchester) were really on the ball and had the measure of both sides. But most importantly it was clear to the EDL that Bristol is not the city for them.
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Jul 15, 2012 09:50
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Good work Bristol! It sucks being 20,000kms away in a far away land. Best I could achieve was drunken trolling of EDL people on twitter
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Jul 15, 2012 10:14
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Also around 6-6:30pm they released police dogs on people when bins were being set on fire!
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Jul 15, 2012 11:46
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I think only 250-odd turned up because the rest of them were demo-ing in an alternate dimension. Here's a post from there: 
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Jul 15, 2012 11:48
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Its not totally untrue though KayTee. I had hoped for a bigger turnout, but it was also due to it being scattered. There was huge problems around the original We Are Bristol organised rally, which saw the cops trying to annoucne it having a new venue the evening before despite the organisers not agreeing, and they put a Section 14 on the original meet up point, which dodnt stop anyone turning up but it meant it got a bit seperated as some people started to march at the set time and others stayed put to resist the cops and the Section 14. Plus when we got kettled people started drifting off (it was a 3 sided kettle)when they realised the main counter demo had no chance of getting anywhere near the EDL or even seeing them. There were lots of smaller groups of Antifa out and about throughout the day getting in the EDLs faces as best as they could but the sheer number of cops was astounding. Never seen anything like it. However they certainly weren't better organised or supported, but the counter protest could have been done much better, it was piss poorly organised.
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Jul 15, 2012 12:09
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It's a bit lovely seeing so much taxpayers' money being spent on protecting fascists from the social consequences of the things they say and do.
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Jul 15, 2012 14:10
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Filboid Studge posted:It's a bit lovely seeing so much taxpayers' money being spent on protecting fascists from the social consequences of the things they say and do. Estimates are upwards of half a million for yesterday and I can believe it. Ive never seen so many cops and every side road that led to the square they were congregating and marching on was barricaded off with 9ft tall huge steel barriers like something out of a sci fi film.
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Jul 15, 2012 14:17
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  Just acouple of photos from yesterday. Most I haven't had to time to transfer as my phone is dead at the moment charging up.
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Jul 15, 2012 15:21
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Jul 15, 2012 21:18
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Hahahaha, the old antifa saying is true: there is no such thing as a fascist march, only a cop march with a fash auxiliary.
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Jul 15, 2012 21:56
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I have to say it's kind of strange to see people using the phrase "anti-fascist" in a non-ironical way. Coming from Eastern Europe "anti-fascist" means financed by Moscow to destabilize the local communities in the new democracies. I haven't heard about EDL in any media channels I follow. How serious is this movement, is it getting bigger? Are there any active groups in any of the major cities, like London?
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Jul 15, 2012 22:36
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OhYeah posted:I have to say it's kind of strange to see people using the phrase "anti-fascist" in a non-ironical way. Coming from Eastern Europe "anti-fascist" means financed by Moscow to destabilize the local communities in the new democracies. What? Where? Sounds like completely loving bullshit. Neo nazi groups have always run media campaigns trying to confuse people about anti racism being a russian communist plot and in some eastern european countries, these ideas have in places tapped into local sentiment. However, its almost unanimously always been bullshit. The egyptian revolution is an american plot! Antifa are a russian plot! Somehow the jews are involved too! Its all paranoid bullshit. When you hear that sort of nonsense, ask yourself this: Who stands to gain by that sort of accusation of conspiracy? e: Give me one example, ever of antifa being funded by moscow in history, post world war II. e2: Unless you mean anti Ustase stuff? Well, I dont know if Ustase's opponents had any moscow funding, but Ustase where an organization who's leadership deserved to be hung, to the very last man. duck monster fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Jul 15, 2012 |
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Jul 15, 2012 22:47
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OhYeah posted:I have to say it's kind of strange to see people using the phrase "anti-fascist" in a non-ironical way. Coming from Eastern Europe "anti-fascist" means financed by Moscow to destabilize the local communities in the new democracies. The Daily Star were basically the EDL house paper for a couple of years - it may not be the Sun or the Mirror but it still has something like a half a million readers. TBH the EDL's day is pretty much gone - it came out of the football hooligan scene, as the BNP made an attempt to appear legit (and probably not coincidentally completely disintegrated) and that gives it a pre-built massive tension, even beyond that in any small political movement that suddenly gets bis. Of course I'd like to say that the implosion of the BNP and the fading away of the EDL are a sign of enlightenment but far-right parties are pretty much redundant in the modern English political environment, with Labour being somewhere to the right of Thatcher and headlines like this, in a national newspaper:  not only get published but complaints about them are rejected by the PCC.
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Jul 16, 2012 00:07
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goddamnedtwisto posted:The Daily Star were basically the EDL house paper for a couple of years - it may not be the Sun or the Mirror but it still has something like a half a million readers. TBH the EDL's day is pretty much gone - it came out of the football hooligan scene, as the BNP made an attempt to appear legit (and probably not coincidentally completely disintegrated) and that gives it a pre-built massive tension, even beyond that in any small political movement that suddenly gets bis. Horrible racism and blatant lies aside..did they really spell "sponging" wrong on the actual published newspaper? Holy poo poo.
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Jul 16, 2012 01:07
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duck monster posted:What? Where? Sounds like completely loving bullshit. I suspect it might've been the post-WWII stuff he was referring to, as "anti-fascism" was one of the covers Stalin used to purge the Polish Home Army and keep the London Poles out, and it was (much more appropriately) the anti-fascist credentials of Ulbrect and the other KPD survivors that won them Soviet backing for setting up what became East Germany. quote:e2: Unless you mean anti Ustase stuff? Well, I dont know if Ustase's opponents had any moscow funding, but Ustase where an organization who's leadership deserved to be hung, to the very last man. Hanged. For all we know, they were hung already. oh god I'm so sorry I can't help myself
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Jul 16, 2012 01:13
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Spalec posted:Horrible racism and blatant lies aside..did they really spell "sponging" wrong on the actual published newspaper? Holy poo poo. Yep. This is what happens when the new owner (a publisher of low-rent porn mags who *hates* being reminded of it) walks in and says "What the gently caress do we need sub editors for? We have computers to lay out pages!" and fires them all on his first day. (It's also rumoured that the large amount of blatant grammatical errors in headlines in the Express and the Star (I should have mentioned that both those papers I posted about are owned by the aforementioned porn baron) are caused by Richard "Dirty" Desmond writing them himself and his writers putting them in verbatim either deliberately to make him look bad or because they're too scared to contradict him. Richard Peppiat's resignation letter lays out what it's like to work for him.)
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duck monster posted:What? Where? Sounds like completely loving bullshit. Please note that I was only talking about "anti-fascist" groups in the Baltic states and their ties to Moscow are very, very well documented. They have a very limited range of activities, one of which is to call attention to the fact that "nazism" is on the rise. Which of course is complete bollocks. We have set the standard for Soviet-time immigrants from Russia pretty high for getting a citizenship (which I personally don't agree with, no at this level at least), and this is the real source of their complaints. In Soviet times Russian people were privileged all over the Soviet Union, often at the expense of the local smaller nations. After the Soviet Union fell, this of course changed. This also happened to piss off a lot of Russians who were not interested in the former satellite countries becoming free democracies. Russia has always considered the Baltic states "the key region" and because they cannot have a military presence here, they will use other tactics to destabilize the region. It hasn't been really successful, apart from the 2007 war monument fiasco. You might want to also read this to understand what I'm talking about a bit better.
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