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Zoots
Apr 19, 2007

No passport for you.

A good friend of mine is there now. Lemme know if you want to get in touch with her.

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AKA Pseudonym
May 16, 2004

A dashing and sophisticated young man
Doctor Rope

Awesome. I did a TDY there for a few weeks and loved it. It's smaller than Geneva but it has a quirky Swiss charm to it that's really cool. And your smack dab in the middle of some of the most gorgeous country I've ever seen.

Skandiaavity
Apr 20, 2005
Grats!! Was it Bern or Geneva that had the uh, special fire hydrant?

Miscreant Fromage
May 2, 2003


Congrats! It'll probably be expensive but the country is so gorgeous it'll be worth it. Lucky!

Miscreant Fromage fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Jul 4, 2012

AKA Pseudonym
May 16, 2004

A dashing and sophisticated young man
Doctor Rope

Skandiaavity posted:

Grats!! Was it Bern or Geneva that had the uh, special fire hydrant?

That's Geneva. It does look nice though I have to admit.

Skandiaavity
Apr 20, 2005
Quite so. Didn't think one could chrome a hydrant.

Switzerland would be a nice post, I have to say. Seems a little expensive but the trip would be worth it.

Tyro
Nov 10, 2009
Freaking medical Office wasting my time. Have a current class one, they want me to redo everything for DS when I just need the supplemental. The bureaucracy of this process is annoying.

mtreecorner
Sep 23, 2011

Congrats on the nice assignment

Business of Ferrets
Mar 2, 2008

Good to see that everything is back to normal.
JA S2/R2, baby! :japan:

Skandiaavity
Apr 20, 2005
おめでとうご~ should we consider you quite fluent now? i presume you'll be taking keio university classes soon

Vilerat
May 11, 2002
If any of you ever feel compelled to go to euro Disney, Don't.


DON'T.

DO NOT DO IT HOLY poo poo.

Business of Ferrets
Mar 2, 2008

Good to see that everything is back to normal.

Skandiaavity posted:

おめでとうご~ should we consider you quite fluent now? i presume you'll be taking keio university classes soon

Heh, my reward for being "on track" is another year of full-time language study. At least I get to do this one in-country!

(Seriously, a 2 is nothing special, but it means I'm halfway to where I need to be.)

Business of Ferrets
Mar 2, 2008

Good to see that everything is back to normal.

Vilerat posted:

If any of you ever feel compelled to go to euro Disney, Don't.


DON'T.

DO NOT DO IT HOLY poo poo.

I think we all need to hear what happened.

Jacobobb
Jan 8, 2007

Business of Ferrets posted:

Heh, my reward for being "on track" is another year of full-time language study. At least I get to do this one in-country!

(Seriously, a 2 is nothing special, but it means I'm halfway to where I need to be.)

Congrats, but it's kind of odd that your speaking abilities are the same level as your reading. Isn't an R2 being able to read newspaper articles? Newspapers are crazy complicated here! I equate that level of reading ability with drat near native level speaking. Do I just not understand State language grading or something?

Business of Ferrets
Mar 2, 2008

Good to see that everything is back to normal.

Jacobobb posted:

Congrats, but it's kind of odd that your speaking abilities are the same level as your reading. Isn't an R2 being able to read newspaper articles? Newspapers are crazy complicated here! I equate that level of reading ability with drat near native level speaking. Do I just not understand State language grading or something?

I can do newspapers in general, though I still have real problems with editorials and other arts/opinion pieces. But I can knock out general articles with good comprehension. And for the test one has to read fast, so that is a skill I'm working on, too. The Interagency Language Roundtable scale defines skills at the 2 level (it is a 5-point scale) as limited professional proficiency. For comparison, 2 is usually the target level for newly minted military linguists. Next month I'll start a second year of study in Japan, with the goal of getting me to the 3 level.

We spent two hours a day on newspaper reading, and papers are all about exposure to kanji and vocab once you've got the grammar down. I would usually make a point of talking about the previous day's reading topics in conversation class, so that helped reinforce my retention. I had an advantage in already reading Chinese, so the characters weren't new to me, but plenty of folks hit the same proficiency levels without prior kanji knowledge.

Jacobobb
Jan 8, 2007

Business of Ferrets posted:

I can do newspapers in general, though I still have real problems with editorials and other arts/opinion pieces. But I can knock out general articles with good comprehension. And for the test one has to read fast, so that is a skill I'm working on, too. The Interagency Language Roundtable scale defines skills at the 2 level (it is a 5-point scale) as limited professional proficiency. For comparison, 2 is usually the target level for newly minted military linguists. Next month I'll start a second year of study in Japan, with the goal of getting me to the 3 level.

We spent two hours a day on newspaper reading, and papers are all about exposure to kanji and vocab once you've got the grammar down. I would usually make a point of talking about the previous day's reading topics in conversation class, so that helped reinforce my retention. I had an advantage in already reading Chinese, so the characters weren't new to me, but plenty of folks hit the same proficiency levels without prior kanji knowledge.

Yeah, the kanji is a loving killer in editorials. I guess that makes the JLPT N2 near level 5, then. I feel a lot better at putting myself where I did on the application, now.

Business of Ferrets
Mar 2, 2008

Good to see that everything is back to normal.

Jacobobb posted:

I guess that makes the JLPT N2 near level 5, then.

I would estimate JLPT level 1 to be somewhere around 2+ or 3 on the ILR scale. By definition, ILR's 5 is equal to an educated native speaker.

Actually, just found this site: http://www.nihongocentral.com/proficiency-scales/ which puts N2 (old scale - not sure if that matters) at ILR's 2.

For illustration, I've had about 1100 hours of classroom instruction in the past 11 months.

e: Actually, that's the new scale for JLPT.

Business of Ferrets fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Jul 13, 2012

1of7
Jan 30, 2011
Got my next assignment today & was totally shocked to only get my 16th choice. Not in a completely bad way though. :)



Or, better yet:

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
Hell yeah!

mtreecorner
Sep 23, 2011

Very nice.

I am not getting my hopes up when I get the country list this Tuesday.

1of7
Jan 30, 2011
BTW, I'm going to FSI next weekend. Does anybody know if there's still a shuttle that picks up somewhere around Courthouse?

Also, if Skandiaavity or anyone wants to meet up for lunch or something let me know. I'll be there for 2 weeks.

mtreecorner
Sep 23, 2011

1of7 posted:

BTW, I'm going to FSI next weekend. Does anybody know if there's still a shuttle that picks up somewhere around Courthouse?

Also, if Skandiaavity or anyone wants to meet up for lunch or something let me know. I'll be there for 2 weeks.

I think the shuttles run from rosslyn, crystal city, and falls church.

Rosslyn would be the closest.

mtreecorner fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Jul 13, 2012

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
The sheer amount of OT I've done in the past week (and will do in the next week) is AMAZING.

Skandiaavity
Apr 20, 2005

Business of Ferrets posted:

Heh, my reward for being "on track" is another year of full-time language study. At least I get to do this one in-country!

(Seriously, a 2 is nothing special, but it means I'm halfway to where I need to be.)

my wife is at FSI a few times a week with me, let me know if you want to borrow her while i'm in training to practice native dialects/political/business conversational skills sometime.

Skandiaavity fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Jul 13, 2012

Skandiaavity
Apr 20, 2005

1of7 posted:

BTW, I'm going to FSI next weekend. Does anybody know if there's still a shuttle that picks up somewhere around Courthouse?

Also, if Skandiaavity or anyone wants to meet up for lunch or something let me know. I'll be there for 2 weeks.

Sure! I'm off monday/tuesday/friday if any of those work. Congrats on your new assignment. Fiji sounds like a small post?

1of7
Jan 30, 2011

Skandiaavity posted:

Sure! I'm off monday/tuesday/friday if any of those work. Congrats on your new assignment. Fiji sounds like a small post?

How did you get days off? I think I only had like 2 days off the entire 5 or 6 months I was at FSI.

Anyway, Diplomaticus or BOF may be able to give you my real name so you can look me up in the GAL & email me to schedule something. Or, we'll figure something out.

Skandiaavity
Apr 20, 2005

1of7 posted:

How did you get days off? I think I only had like 2 days off the entire 5 or 6 months I was at FSI.

Anyway, Diplomaticus or BOF may be able to give you my real name so you can look me up in the GAL & email me to schedule something. Or, we'll figure something out.

DL classes. They give you two weeks, if you finish (including the final exam), you don't have to go to the 'required attendance' days since you've already completed the course. If you haven't finished by then, you have to show up for all of them. They're quasi-admin days, not actual/proper AL days. FSI said 'we could take a long weekend if we wished to', but I'll still be at FSI to check in and sort some other stuff out.

TCD
Nov 13, 2002

Every step, a fucking adventure.

Diplomaticus posted:

The sheer amount of OT I've done in the past week (and will do in the next week) is AMAZING.

I know some people that were getting 40+ hours in a week at Rio+20.

Ordeith
Oct 26, 2002

If I troll again, I will eat Hello Kitty's brains with a spork

Diplomaticus posted:

The sheer amount of OT I've done in the past week (and will do in the next week) is AMAZING.

Are you compensated for that OT? I posted some general questions about Foreign Service experiences earlier in this thread (was told it was okay - I'm not in the US' Foreign Service, but am a diplomat for another country).

On this note: I found out a few days ago that I'm going to Brussels. I'm really excited about this - hoping that the expat community there is rather active - I heard the city is rather sleepy from Saturday night until Monday morning, but have no personal experience there.

I'm hoping for: organic food/markets, a good public transport system, and an opportunity to get rationally-reckless as the need arises.

Fingers crossed.

TCD
Nov 13, 2002

Every step, a fucking adventure.

Ordeith posted:

Are you compensated for that OT? I posted some general questions about Foreign Service experiences earlier in this thread (was told it was okay - I'm not in the US' Foreign Service, but am a diplomat for another country).

On this note: I found out a few days ago that I'm going to Brussels. I'm really excited about this - hoping that the expat community there is rather active - I heard the city is rather sleepy from Saturday night until Monday morning, but have no personal experience there.

I'm hoping for: organic food/markets, a good public transport system, and an opportunity to get rationally-reckless as the need arises.

Fingers crossed.
Specialists always are eligible for OT pay or comp-time off.

Miscreant Fromage
May 2, 2003

1of7 posted:

Got my next assignment today & was totally shocked to only get my 16th choice. Not in a completely bad way though. :)



Or, better yet:



Cool! You'll have to go stay at the Poseidon Underwater Resort!

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

Ordeith posted:

Are you compensated for that OT? I posted some general questions about Foreign Service experiences earlier in this thread (was told it was okay - I'm not in the US' Foreign Service, but am a diplomat for another country).

On this note: I found out a few days ago that I'm going to Brussels. I'm really excited about this - hoping that the expat community there is rather active - I heard the city is rather sleepy from Saturday night until Monday morning, but have no personal experience there.

I'm hoping for: organic food/markets, a good public transport system, and an opportunity to get rationally-reckless as the need arises.

Fingers crossed.

Specialists always are, as far as I know. Generalists are up until tenure (can get either OT, or comp time). After tenure, you can only get comp time.

Vilerat
May 11, 2002

Ordeith posted:

Are you compensated for that OT? I posted some general questions about Foreign Service experiences earlier in this thread (was told it was okay - I'm not in the US' Foreign Service, but am a diplomat for another country).

On this note: I found out a few days ago that I'm going to Brussels. I'm really excited about this - hoping that the expat community there is rather active - I heard the city is rather sleepy from Saturday night until Monday morning, but have no personal experience there.

I'm hoping for: organic food/markets, a good public transport system, and an opportunity to get rationally-reckless as the need arises.

Fingers crossed.

Howdy neighbor! I'm right next door.

HisMajestyBOB
Oct 21, 2010


College Slice
I'm planning on taking the FSOT again this fall. My girlfriend is a Chinese citizen, however, so I'm worried that this could prevent me from passing the clearance part of the process, even if we get married before the process starts. Neither she nor her family are CCP members or have any ties to the military or government/security. From what I've heard, non-citizen spouses are relatively common in State, so are my concerns overblown?

Business of Ferrets
Mar 2, 2008

Good to see that everything is back to normal.

HisMajestyBOB posted:

I'm planning on taking the FSOT again this fall. My girlfriend is a Chinese citizen, however, so I'm worried that this could prevent me from passing the clearance part of the process, even if we get married before the process starts. Neither she nor her family are CCP members or have any ties to the military or government/security. From what I've heard, non-citizen spouses are relatively common in State, so are my concerns overblown?

Shouldn't be an obstacle to entry, though you might be precluded from being assigned to PRC (inc. HK).

Skandiaavity
Apr 20, 2005
Congratulations to the 126th Specialist class - saw you around today. hope your first days are going good.


and yeah, it shouldn't be a concern. The biggest obstacle you might have is never-being-assigned-to-PRC posts...

BOF, I heard from another IMS that they might run into visa issues; as some places don't allow chinese citizens to stay extended periods of time? I'm sure there's a workaround for it (E-level visa?); but worst case means some places she might not be able to accompany you.

PopRocks
Jul 4, 2003

WTF am I reading?
I'm probably going to botch asking for this in a way that makes any sense, but here goes:

I think, at some point, someone posted a link to some sort of archive of language learning audio tapes that were government hosted or used by state department employees, but it was free and accessible to the public? Did I dream up such an awesome resource? Maybe it was the Peace Corps thread... Does something like that sound familiar to anybody?

VVVEdit: I think that's it! Thanks!VVV

PopRocks fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Jul 17, 2012

Business of Ferrets
Mar 2, 2008

Good to see that everything is back to normal.

PopRocks posted:

I'm probably going to botch asking for this in a way that makes any sense, but here goes:

I think, at some point, someone posted a link to some sort of archive of language learning audio tapes that were government hosted or used by state department employees, but it was free and accessible to the public? Did I dream up such an awesome resource? Maybe it was the Peace Corps thread... Does something like that sound familiar to anybody?

Is this it? http://fsi-language-courses.org/Content.php

HisMajestyBOB
Oct 21, 2010


College Slice

Business of Ferrets posted:

Shouldn't be an obstacle to entry, though you might be precluded from being assigned to PRC (inc. HK).

Skandiaavity posted:

and yeah, it shouldn't be a concern. The biggest obstacle you might have is never-being-assigned-to-PRC posts...

BOF, I heard from another IMS that they might run into visa issues; as some places don't allow chinese citizens to stay extended periods of time? I'm sure there's a workaround for it (E-level visa?); but worst case means some places she might not be able to accompany you.

Thanks for the replies!

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Miscreant Fromage
May 2, 2003

Just got back from my OA, got a 5.9. I think the structured interview was the hardest for me because I tend to ramble when I get nervous. Now onto the medical & security clearance!

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