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duck monster: Dec 15, 2004

Aaaahhhhhh. I see. I wasnt aware the term "anti fascist" was used that way in the former USSR.

I guess because the concept of "anti fascist" is rooted in the anti nazi/fascist struggles and wars of the 30s and 40s , how the idea travelled west and how it travlled east after WW-II have differed.

# ? Jul 16, 2012 09:19

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# ? Jun 3, 2024 18:11

KayTee: May 5, 2012; Whachoodoin?

goddamnedtwisto posted:

not only get published but complaints about them are rejected by the PCC.

Quick note but it's worth remembering that complaining to the PCC about Desmond's papers is officially pointless anyway. He doesn't have to answer to them.

Mind you, complaining to the PCC about anything is usually pointless.

But it is something that Leveson is taking on:

Daily Star has Anti-Muslim Agends - Loonwatch.

Editor grilled over Daily Star Anti-Muslim Stance - Politics.co.uk

quote:

Mr Jay showed [editor Ms. Neesom] one front page featuring the headline: "Muslim thugs aged just 12 in knife attack on Brit school boy."

He branded the language "tendentious", pointing out that the victim was described as "British", but the perpetrators, who were also British, were described as "Muslim".

He also pointed out that the 'attack' actually referred to a comment on Facebook.

"It's not good," Ms Neesom admitted. She promised to pursue the issue "back in the office".

Transcript of Inayat Bunglawala's testimony to Leveson. Mr. Bunglawala is the organiser of a Muslim advocacy group.

# ? Jul 16, 2012 10:20

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

KayTee posted:

Quick note but it's worth remembering that complaining to the PCC about Desmond's papers is officially pointless anyway. He doesn't have to answer to them.

Mind you, complaining to the PCC about anything is usually pointless.

But it is something that Leveson is taking on:

Daily Star has Anti-Muslim Agends - Loonwatch.

Editor grilled over Daily Star Anti-Muslim Stance - Politics.co.uk

Transcript of Inayat Bunglawala's testimony to Leveson. Mr. Bunglawala is the organiser of a Muslim advocacy group.

At that point the Express were still part of the PCC - and Desmond *still* found the PCC so restrictive he felt the need to leave them...

# ? Jul 16, 2012 13:00

Nintendo Kid: Aug 4, 2011; by Smythe

duck monster posted:

Aaaahhhhhh. I see. I wasnt aware the term "anti fascist" was used that way in the former USSR.

I guess because the concept of "anti fascist" is rooted in the anti nazi/fascist struggles and wars of the 30s and 40s , how the idea travelled west and how it travlled east after WW-II have differed.

Perhaps the best example of the use of that meaning of anti-fascist in the Eastern Bloc is the official name of the Berlin Wall: Antifaschistischer Schutzwall which means Anti-Fascist Protection Rampart

# ? Jul 16, 2012 16:25

ekuNNN: Nov 27, 2004; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

# ? Jul 16, 2012 16:30

Stefu: Feb 4, 2005

duck monster posted:

What? Where? Sounds like completely loving bullshit.

Well, Finland's not Eastern Europe (yes it is lol), but there are a few people on the murkier parts of miniscule Communist parties who are indeed doing just - calling themselves "antifascists" when their main agenda is just promoting the interests of Putin's Russia. They don't really put much effort into opposing nationalist right-wingers or Nazis in Finland (unless those nationalists are doing something that Russia doesn't like, such as flirting with irredentism) - generally, "fascist" either means Estonia (and not just when Estonia is doing something lovely and right-wing but just Estonia for existing at all) or mainstream politicians saying that the human rights situation in Russia sucks. They are fringe as hell, though.

# ? Jul 16, 2012 17:22

duck monster: Dec 15, 2004

Yeah I've been informed about the finnish thing.

Bloody europeans! Your all wierd as hell lol._{(dont change)}

# ? Jul 16, 2012 17:50

Serotonin: Jul 14, 2001; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of *blank*

Vice magazine have done an article on the Bristol demo.

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/edl-fascists-antifa-police-lgbt-bristol-gay-pride

The videos of the EDL are hilarious and terrible all at once.

# ? Jul 16, 2012 19:56

ekuNNN: Nov 27, 2004; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Serotonin posted:

Vice magazine have done an article on the Bristol demo.

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/edl-fascists-antifa-police-lgbt-bristol-gay-pride

The videos of the EDL are hilarious and terrible all at once.

Is that a black guy on the left there, carrying the EDL banner? :stare:

That must be uncomfortable, being black and EDL.

# ? Jul 16, 2012 21:09

UNRULY_HOUSEGUEST: Jul 19, 2006; mea culpa

ekuNNN posted:

Is that a black guy on the left there, carrying the EDL banner? That must be uncomfortable, being black and EDL.

The EDL actually has gay people and black people and Jews, I think people are mistaking it for something organised enough to have a coherent ideology rather than being an umbrella group for anyone who doesn't like Islam which happens to be primarily composed of more recognisable football-casual bigots.

One of the more excruciating videos I think got linked earlier of their token Muslim tag-along trying to argue that the EDL wasn't racist because one of their members shook his hand earlier. Unfortunately the EDL member in question is Wayne Baldwin, an actual neo-Nazi who has a giant gently caress-off swastika and Combat 18 tattoo etched on his mantits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBT9aoeXdWM

# ? Jul 16, 2012 21:32

Serotonin: Jul 14, 2001; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of *blank*

ekuNNN posted:

Is that a black guy on the left there, carrying the EDL banner? That must be uncomfortable, being black and EDL.

They had a transgender person give a speech and carry the banner on Saturday. She made a heartbreaking post on Bristol Indymedia about how the EDL are the only people who support her.

http://bristol.indymedia.org/article/709833?&condense_comments=false#comment56473

# ? Jul 16, 2012 22:01

KayTee: May 5, 2012; Whachoodoin?

Serotonin posted:

They had a transgender person give a speech and carry the banner on Saturday. She made a heartbreaking post on Bristol Indymedia about how the EDL are the only people who support her.

I personally love the quote from Vice on this:

quote:

‎[A] transgender EDL member made a speech at their rally, so they can�t be homophobes. Just like how it�s impossible to be racist if you tip the guy who brings you your pizza.

Anyone remember the Mayoral candidate for Liverpool, who only qualified as 'living' in Liverpool after renting a pigeon shed? Well, he's quickly turning into a far-right comedy genius. If Hitler ever made an appearance in Dad's Army, it'd be this guy.

From the Liverpool Echo

quote:

A FAR-RIGHT politician is to sue Merseyside police for flying a gay rights flag above a police station.

English Democrat Paul Rimmer, who recently failed in his bid to become mayor of Liverpool, was arrested in May after an argument in Toxteth�s Admiral Street police station over the flying of the iconic rainbow flag.

quote:

But Mr Rimmer, 49, claims the police needed planning permission to fly anything other than a national flag or that of a saint under the terms of the Town and Country Planning Act.

It's the standard "Waah! We can't fly our indigenous flags because it offends muzzies/pakis/whatever!" gibberish, but this time it's full on twisted to "You can't fly your flag because it offends me."

Seriously.

quote:

He also claims that flying the rainbow flag may have been an act of sexual orientation discrimination contrary to the Equality Act 2010.

Today Mr Rimmer denied he was homophobic, saying: �The police are supposed to represent all sections of society and not discriminate in favour of particular groups.�

This is amazing. "They're not supposed to discriminate against us easily-offended, oppressed, straight folks! So stop showing support for the drat queers!"

The response is pretty uplifting:

quote:

Today deputy council leader Paul Brant said: �These are bonkers views. The rainbow flag was flown on International Day Against Homophobia, which is marked right across the world, and the police should be praised for their impulsivity.

�The English Democrats were rejected at the recent elections and we should focus on what unites us rather than divides us.�

Liberal group leader Cllr Steve Radford described Mr Rimmer�s views as �bigoted fantasy�.

He added: �If Mr Rimmer has a problem with the flag shown on police stations, it says a lot about his personal hang-up.

And as for Mr. Rimmer's legal action...

quote:

Liverpool council, which oversees planning control, said it will take no action against the police.

A Liverpool council spokesman said: �We take a sensible and measured view of the flying of temporary flags.

�In this instance, a well-known symbol was being displayed for a limited period of time at Admiral Street police station � and also at a number of other public buildings in the city � which we are able to permit.�

Which is a pretty polite way of saying: "gently caress off with your petty, time-wasting petulant nonsense you irritating little gobshite."

# ? Jul 17, 2012 10:33

Blacknose: Jul 28, 2006; Meet frustration face to face
A point of view creates more waves
So lose some sleep and say you tried

That's the most diplomatic way of saying 'gently caress off back to wanking and crying' I have ever seen.

# ? Jul 17, 2012 10:56

some plague rats: Jun 5, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

His name is Rimmer? No wonder he's so anti-gay, must have had a terrible time in school.

# ? Jul 17, 2012 12:13

ClownSyndrome: Sep 2, 2011; Do you think love can bloom on bob-omb Battlefield?

The news report on this is gold

quote:

A FAR right politician was held in cells for almost six hours for objecting to a pro-gay rights flag flying above a police station.

English Democrat Paul Rimmer, who recently failed in his bid to become mayor of Liverpool, was arrested on Saturday after an argument in Admiral Street Police station, Toxteth.

Mr Rimmer demanded to know why the Rainbow Flag was flying above the station.

The 49-year-old, who says he is a devout Christian, argued with a female member of staff behind the counter in the police station and quoted a well-known extract from the book of Leviticus in the Bible at her. After leaving the station he was approached by two police officers and told he was being arrested.

He said: �They said I was being arrested for a homophobic hate crime and I told them that �blessed are the persecuted for doing the right thing�.

�I asked them how could it be wrong to quote the Bible when we swear on the Bible.�
The IDAHO rainbow flag flying above the town hall

When they said they were just obeying orders he compared them to the Gestapo, the official secret police in Nazi Germany.

He said he was then driven to Belle Vale police station, and held in cells for almost six hours before being released on bail.

Mr Rimmer said: �I think this was a completely inappropriate decision by the police. People are hypersensitive.

�It is an attempt to clamp down on freedom of speech and expression and it smacks of bullying totalitarianism.�

(bolding mine)

# ? Jul 17, 2012 12:45

mfcrocker: Jan 31, 2004; Hot Rope Guy

You can't even hurl homophobic abuse at the police without getting arrested nowadays. It's political correctness gone mad Stu.

# ? Jul 17, 2012 13:25

KayTee: May 5, 2012; Whachoodoin?

While many are commemorating the anniversary of Brevik's massacre of kids in Oslo, one EDL facebook page has dropped all pretence and is now openly supporting him.

Large image linked

quote:

Tomorrow is the anniversary of the Oslo incident.

The Oslo incident is a reminder of what Islam, multiculturalism, far-left politics and mass immigration does to a nation and its people.

It is the ONE single instance of significant right-wing violence that has ever occurred.

Terrorism - in all its forms - is firmly the home of the far-left and Islam (as all statistics overwhelmingly confirm).

Lets hope, for the sake of peace, love and the future of Britain, Europe, America and Israel, that the decaying, poisonous and hate-creating ideologies of Islamism, multiculturalism, far-left politics and mass immigration are destroyed before something like this happens again.

Other EDL types who happen to accidentally flick through a news channel decide to weigh in on the Colarado Batman shooter:

And the Daily Star continues to be the official newspaper of the EDL.

"TROOPS FALLING IN WITH THE EDL"

# ? Jul 22, 2012 12:34

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

quote:

It is the ONE single instance of significant right-wing violence that has ever occurred.

That is one hell of a lie.

"The only time a right winger killed people, yup".

# ? Jul 22, 2012 12:38

KayTee: May 5, 2012; Whachoodoin?

Kurtofan posted:

That is one hell of a lie.

"The only time a right winger killed people, yup".

Not the only time. Just the only time it's been significant.

# ? Jul 22, 2012 12:40

Section 31: Mar 4, 2012

I like the Infowar ad at the Wall Photos. The Colorade shooter is apparently a patriot who's being dragged by Soros and Obama minions at Occupy events which are sponsored by them...

# ? Jul 22, 2012 13:24

KayTee: May 5, 2012; Whachoodoin?

So.... This made me laugh.

This is an absolute must-read. Enjoy!

# ? Jul 23, 2012 10:34

Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

KayTee posted:

While many are commemorating the anniversary of Brevik's massacre of kids in Oslo, one EDL facebook page has dropped all pretence and is now openly supporting him.

Large image linked

Other EDL types who happen to accidentally flick through a news channel decide to weigh in on the Colarado Batman shooter:

And the Daily Star continues to be the official newspaper of the EDL.

"TROOPS FALLING IN WITH THE EDL"

SOCIALISM IS VIOLENT, quoth the fascist.

There really is no :ironicat:

big enough.

KayTee posted:

So.... This made me laugh.

This is an absolute must-read. Enjoy!

So according to this luminaire the problem with the EDL is that because they're not fascist enough and too incompetent to even organize their brownshirts right, they must be run by the government? Truly a stunning political insight.

# ? Jul 23, 2012 10:44

Section 31: Mar 4, 2012

Cerebral Bore posted:

So according to this luminaire the problem with the EDL is that because they're not fascist enough and too incompetent to even organize their brownshirts right, they must be run by the government? Truly a stunning political insight.

The EDL doesn't hate Jews, maybe that's why?

# ? Jul 23, 2012 10:51

Thundercloud: Mar 28, 2010; To boldly be eaten where no grot has been eaten before!

Section 31 posted:

The EDL doesn't hate Jews, maybe that's why?

Some of them do, but Israel brings up the who do they hate more, jews or muslims question?

There are a fair number of jewish fascists. I know the white supremacist movement had a split a while back over jewish white supremacists, and a lot of white supremacists not regarding them as white no matter how much they hated blacks.

# ? Jul 23, 2012 11:28

Pope Guilty: Nov 6, 2006; The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

It's more Muslims than blacks, actually.

# ? Jul 23, 2012 11:38

Thundercloud: Mar 28, 2010; To boldly be eaten where no grot has been eaten before!

Pope Guilty posted:

It's more Muslims than blacks, actually.

This was the American movement, I should have clarified.

# ? Jul 23, 2012 11:56

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

Thundercloud posted:

Some of them do, but Israel brings up the who do they hate more, jews or muslims question?

There are a fair number of jewish fascists. I know the white supremacist movement had a split a while back over jewish white supremacists, and a lot of white supremacists not regarding them as white no matter how much they hated blacks.

The official EDL line is pro-Israeli because Israel bombs Muslims - that's as far as their thought processes go. At their abortive attempt to march on Brick Lane last September this led to the somewhat surreal sight of fascist skinheads flying the Star of David opposed by Orthodox Jews in full regalia flying the Palestinian flag.

# ? Jul 23, 2012 12:07

An0: Nov 10, 2006; I enjoy eating After Eights. I also enjoy eating Old El Paso salsa with added Tobasco.

goddamnedtwisto posted:

The official EDL line is pro-Israeli because Israel bombs Muslims - that's as far as their thought processes go. At their abortive attempt to march on Brick Lane last September this led to the somewhat surreal sight of fascist skinheads flying the Star of David opposed by Orthodox Jews in full regalia flying the Palestinian flag.

If you've got them, could you link pictures of this pretty please? EDL are so funny :3:

# ? Jul 23, 2012 13:28

Mr.Hell: Nov 10, 2011

They've really gone overboard in emphasising the aryan-ness of the child in this poster of theirs:

Hands off our Fremen kiddies.

# ? Jul 23, 2012 19:17

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

Does that say "Muslim Peadophiles Of Tomorrow"? Can't really make out the blurry ae / ea.

# ? Jul 23, 2012 20:37

Plasmafountain: Jun 17, 2008

Cerv posted:

Does that say "Muslim Peadophiles Of Tomorrow"? Can't really make out the blurry ae / ea.

I didnt know birdseye even had a religious following.

# ? Jul 23, 2012 20:44

Mr.Hell: Nov 10, 2011

Cerv posted:

Does that say "Muslim Peadophiles Of Tomorrow"? Can't really make out the blurry ae / ea.

Yeah, I think it does.

# ? Jul 23, 2012 20:47

mrpwase: Apr 21, 2010; I HAVE GREAT AVATAR IDEAS
For the Many, Not the Few

Mr.Hell posted:

Muslim Peadophiles Of Tomorrow

Thanks for the new band name, buddy!

# ? Jul 23, 2012 20:53

asbo subject: Jan 22, 2009; by Y Kant Ozma Post

This is quite a good article from the guardian about racism. It mentions the Rochdale grooming and Anders Breivik.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/22/how-racism-takes-root

Joseph Harker posted:

But if it really is an "Asian" thing, how come Indians don't do it? If it's a "Pakistani" thing, how come an Afghan was convicted in the Rochdale case? And if it's a "Muslim" thing, how come it doesn't seem to involve anyone of African or Middle Eastern origin? The standard response to anyone who questions this is: face the facts, all those convicted in Rochdale were Muslim. Well, if one case is enough to make such a generalisation, how about if all the members of a gang of armed robbers were white; or cybercriminals; or child traffickers? (All three of these have happened.) Would we be so keen to "face the facts" and make it a problem the whole white community has to deal with? Would we have articles examining what it is about Britishness or Christianity or Europeanness, that makes people so capable of such things?

asbo subject fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Jul 23, 2012

# ? Jul 23, 2012 20:53

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

An0 posted:

If you've got them, could you link pictures of this pretty please? EDL are so funny

I was too much of a coward to pull my camera out - the fact I had my work pass on my belt (my office was pretty much in no-mans land, which was letting my move fairly easily beyond the police lines) was getting me a lot of very suspicious looks and while I'm sure there'd have been no problems, I didn't want to take the risk.

# ? Jul 24, 2012 08:13

An0: Nov 10, 2006; I enjoy eating After Eights. I also enjoy eating Old El Paso salsa with added Tobasco.

goddamnedtwisto posted:

I was too much of a coward to pull my camera out - the fact I had my work pass on my belt (my office was pretty much in no-mans land, which was letting my move fairly easily beyond the police lines) was getting me a lot of very suspicious looks and while I'm sure there'd have been no problems, I didn't want to take the risk.

Bummer :/

# ? Jul 25, 2012 12:26

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Congratulations to Bristol for running the fascists out. However, this:

Pope Guilty posted:

Hahahaha, the old antifa saying is true: there is no such thing as a fascist march, only a cop march with a fash auxiliary.

..is privilege, just so you know.

Fascist marches run in the thousands all over most of Europe, and if any cops are needed, it's to help the fash beat the poo poo out of bystanders and counter-demonstrators. This kind of spectacle is actually the exception rather than the rule outside northern Europe.

An0 posted:

If you've got them, could you link pictures of this pretty please? EDL are so funny

Second this, it'd make my day

# ? Jul 31, 2012 20:29

Bozza: Mar 5, 2004; "I'm a really useful engine!"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9442258/English-Defence-League-leader-to-stand-as-police-commissioner.html

quote:

English Defence League leader to stand as police commissioner

Kevin Carroll, who is also a senior figure in the nationalist British Freedom Party, will run in the anti-Islamic group�s stronghold of Bedfordshire.

He is promising to end political correctness in policing and what he believes is a �two-tier� system that treats Muslims better than the rest of society.

If Mr Carroll won the election later this year, in addition to a �70,000 salary he would be given the power to set law and order priorities and budgets in the multicultural county as well as hiring and firing Bedfordshire Police chief constables.

Senior officers have already warned that public apathy about the new role of Police and Crime Commissioner could let extremist candidates into power by the back door.

Groups such as the EDL � which claims only to oppose extremist Muslims but whose members have been linked to football hooligans and the far-right � will work hard to get their supporters to vote while much of the electorate is expected to stay away from the polls taking place in 41 police areas across England and Wales.

Olly Martins, Labour�s PCC candidate in Bedfordshire, said: �The EDL thugs are about the least appropriate people to run for police commissioner.�

Mr Carroll, who lives in the EDL�s heartland of Luton, has a conviction for a public order offence after he and another man hurled abuse at Muslims who were protesting at a soldiers� homecoming parade.

But although Mr Carroll received a nine-month conditional discharge in 2010 and was ordered to pay �175 costs, this will not prevent him from standing as a Police and Crime Commissioner because it was not an imprisonable offence.

By contrast Simon Weston, the Falklands war hero who had intended to run for the newly created post, would have been barred because of a teenage conviction for being a passenger in a stolen car, for which he could have been jailed.

So far the EDL has raised a fifth of the �5,000 deposit needed to put its �co-leader� up as a candidate for the election on November 15th.

A spokesman for the group, whose marches and street protests have regularly descended into violence, said: �Our only intention is to show our support for the police.�

He said it was �more than likely� that the EDL would put up other candidates elsewhere but claimed their chances of winning were �not that high�.

The spokesman added: �When you live in a town like Luton, their community is treated with kid gloves and our community is treated with hard fists.

�The police�s hands are tied behind their backs by political correctness and fear of being called racist.�

My home county

Don't see it going down too well though, most kids at my school who actually had Asian friends won't stand for these fucks. It'll be the village area racists, the sort who vote in Nadine Dorres, who'll enable this turd.

North Bedfordshire solidarity against the EDL.

# ? Jul 31, 2012 20:37