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McDowell posted:Al Qaeda: The official boogeyman of everyone who wants sympathy. I don't think the violence inside the capital is the first sign of the overthrow of Bashar, but the increasing creep of the war zone into Damascus is definitely going to ratchet up the pressure. Love the Assad Mural. Looking forward to its inevitable graffiting and piecemeal sale on Ebay. I want a part of the boy on the right skipping forward with flowers. He's just so happy.
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McDowell posted:Al Qaeda: The official boogeyman of everyone who wants sympathy. Unless I'm the one misreading him, that quote is him claiming that Assad is in league with Al Qaeda.
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Here's a video of Syrian State TV interviewing people in al-Midan (neighborhood in Damascus) and asking if anything happening there and they're like "ma fi shi" (there's nothing happening) while you can hear gunfire in the background. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA5ZWTgmb5k
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Alchenar posted:Unless I'm the one misreading him, that quote is him claiming that Assad is in league with Al Qaeda. The other guy is always in league with Al Qaeda/terrorists 
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Xandu posted:Here's a video of Syrian State TV interviewing people in al-Midan (neighborhood in Damascus) and asking if anything happening there and they're like "ma fi shi" (there's nothing happening) while you can hear gunfire in the background. The bullet sound effects seem a little suspiciously well-timed.
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heh, didn't notice the heavily armed soldiers patrolling the street until after I read the comments.
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Jul 17, 2012 00:46
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It's like something out of a comedy Edit: It only needs a laughter track
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Martin Random posted:The bullet sound effects seem a little suspiciously well-timed. It's taken from an al-Arabiya report. While they're far from neutral, I doubt they'd make it up.
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Ghetto Prince posted:heh, didn't notice the heavily armed soldiers patrolling the street until after I read the comments. Yeah, I spotted them when the interviewer started to move his subject around to get them out of the framing of the shot.
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Weapons captured from the Syrian Army https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMRspq3wysU Looks like some pretty heavy duty stuff.
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Xandu posted:Weapons captured from the Syrian Army Eh, nothing specially. e: Though, you could rig up a couple decent IEDs. If we are not already, we should be supplying them with as many Javelin's as possible. Sryia has a large armored force, and Javelins would cut through them like hot butter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqUb23XCTCY Kempo Yellow Belt fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Jul 17, 2012 |
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That's a couple of AT-3 Sagger/Malyutka anti-tank missiles and a bunch of BMP-1 main gun or SPG-9 recoilless rifle ammo. They and the ammo belts could be taken from a BMP-1, or sold separately. Actually it sounds like he says B-M-P when showing the 73mm ammunition, but I might be projecting. Nenonen fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Jul 17, 2012 |
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Jul 17, 2012 01:14
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I didn't really expect widespread military operation against government in Damascus, it seems to caught Assad's forces off guard. Maybe they should capture SANA/State TV HQ and Russia Today studio in the city and make public announcements while they're at it. +News: quote:Syrian rebels push war into capital Damascus Map of Damascus: 
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truth masseuse posted:Eh, nothing specially. Nenonen posted:That's a couple of AT-3 Sagger/Malyutka anti-tank missiles and a bunch of BMP-1 main gun or SPG-9 recoilless rifle ammo. They and the ammo belts could be taken from a BMP-1, or sold separately. As I've probably said before in this thread, I know very little about weapons. They do look more impressive than a lot of what the FSA has been using, though I did see a video earlier today of them using a b-10 rifle. What is that orange rocket? edit: You're right, he says BMP shells
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Brown Moses posted:Anyway, to avoid a derail I've come across another unique and exciting video from Syria, this time the first time a tank has been recorded being used by the FSA in Syria. This is from a page back, but this is a bit of a distressing development. Willingness to use a tank in a guerrilla war seems to indicate that whoever is in charge of the FSA forces in Rastan is trying to form a jacquerie, which will certainly end badly. It makes you wonder what their long term plan is.
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Xandu posted:What is that orange rocket? A rich source of vitamin C. There's two types, fragment and anti-tank (HEAT), and are colour-coded accordingly. Probably the orange is the fragmenting shell.
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i poo poo trains posted:This is from a page back, but this is a bit of a distressing development. Willingness to use a tank in a guerrilla war seems to indicate that whoever is in charge of the FSA forces in Rastan is trying to form a jacquerie, which will certainly end badly. It makes you wonder what their long term plan is. I looked up that word but I still don't understand what you're saying. It's already a civil war.
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hepatizon posted:I looked up that word but I still don't understand what you're saying. It's already a civil war. I was using in the sense of a standing irregular army (as opposed to a traditional insurgency). Google says that that's a more obscure use of the term though, I probably should've been more specific about it.
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i poo poo trains posted:I was using in the sense of a standing irregular army (as opposed to a traditional insurgency). Google says that that's a more obscure use of the term though, I probably should've been more specific about it. Yes, you should have. You need not impress us with your perspicacity.  How does one even qualify a traditional v. non-traditional insurgency? I dunno. It's all semantics. It's a loving war, plain and simple.
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If my enemy had the kindness of giving me a perfectly good tank i'd use it. I never heard anyone having ethical problems with using tanks.
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Mans posted:If my enemy had the kindness of giving me a perfectly good tank i'd use it. I never heard anyone having ethical problems with using tanks. Tanks are so retro-cold war era anyway. The EM-50 Urban Assault Vehicle is the new hotness. 
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truth masseuse posted:Yes, you should have. You need not impress us with your perspicacity. So yes, semantics, but very important semantics.
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Well, you're presuming the FSA is at a military disadvantage. The number of defected soldiers vs. actual Syrian Army soldiers in the field may not be as uneven as you think. I watched the interview with the recently defected ambassador to Iraq on Al Jazeera and he was saying the army is only sending it's most elite and loyal forces into the field for fear of further defections. Moral in the Syrian army can't be high.
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i poo poo trains posted:A traditional insurgency doesn't drive around in tanks and pretend it's a field army. The concerning thing about having a tonka truck tank corps isn't an ethical problem but rather the fact that operating them requires a level of organization that, while probably technically feasible considering the resources the FSA has, is strategically disastrous. By forming a standing army they put too many eggs in a too large and too fragile a basket. An insurgency wins by preserving themselves until the other army can't or won't keep fighting. They don't win by destroying the enemy army. If they think they can approach this Libya-style by forming an army and marching on Damascus they will be crushed. A lot of assumption you are making considering none of us are on the ground in Syria. We do not know the true disposition of the Syrian army. Defectors at the highest level of government are fleeing the country. This is obviously not good for Assad loyalists. Forming a standing army and demonstrating that they are a force to to be reckoned with could potentially draw battalions of the less loyal forces that undoubtedly exist at this point. Though, I am making some assumptions as well.
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Sivias posted:Well, you're presuming the FSA is at a military disadvantage. The number of defected soldiers vs. actual Syrian Army soldiers in the field may not be as uneven as you think. Morale in the Syrian army, by most every account is pretty lovely. It would not underestimate the dire consequences of trying to field a rebel army against them though. The differences in equipment are way to severe for that to turn out well. That being said, I doubt this tank is a signal that such a thing is occurring.
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i poo poo trains posted:I was using in the sense of a standing irregular army (as opposed to a traditional insurgency). Google says that that's a more obscure use of the term though, I probably should've been more specific about it. Jacquerie, when it's used, is usually used in the specific technical sense of "rioting mob in the countryside that kills their landlords etc., usually ending with them dying horribly upon encountering actual trained soldiers." Your phrase implies the second half of that, but not so much the first.
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McDowell posted:Al Qaeda: The official boogeyman of everyone who wants sympathy. I tend to agree with you, i have seen videos of them posing with the rebels, and the flags of Al Qaeda. Anyone remember this? http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/cd/c6/1342399625_9313_0.jpg
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Bruno, I think you need to spend some time researching the history of the black flag and then you might actually understand why it doesn't necessarily represent al-Qaeda. It's the Islamic equivilant of the England flag, just because it's commonly associated with the BNP doesn't mean every who wave it is a right wing bigot. I'm often unsure if people who claim it's an "al-Qaeda flag" are doing it out of ignorance and stupidity or trying to decieve on purpose. Which are you?
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Brown Moses posted:Bruno, I think you need to spend some time researching the history of the black flag and then you might actually understand why it doesn't necessarily represent al-Qaeda. It's the Islamic equivilant of the England flag, just because it's commonly associated with the BNP doesn't mean every who wave it is a right wing bigot. I'm often unsure if people who claim it's an "al-Qaeda flag" are doing it out of ignorance and stupidity or trying to decieve on purpose. Which are you? Oh you mean like that black flag which raised up in eastern Libya court? which is the same one been used in Sryia, i have seen multiple videos of the mujahideen whom of them have ties with al qaeda and there has been videos now on YoutTube Tributeing them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cXW79q_DFQ Seen the here black flag. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4mZjbWroOA The flag meaning. http://weloveislam.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/jihad-and-khilafah-flags.gif The jihad and khilafah http://undhimmi.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/khilafah-flag-of-jihad.png I have studied and researched it pretty heavily on this matter of topic. ( I'm often unsure if people who claim it's an "al-Qaeda flag" are doing it out of ignorance and stupidity or trying to decieve on purpose. Which are you?) Are you suggesting that i am deceiving people? even though it has been reported by a reporter who some how is in Syria surprisingly. As reported in here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9396256/Al-Qaeda-tries-to-carve-out-a-war-for-itself-in-Syria.html dont take my word for it. By Ruth Sherlock, Idlib Province and claimed as by the FSA. ("An al Qaeda group led by a man who called himself Abu Saddiq took control in Der Tezzeh," said one FSA rebel speaking on condition of anonymity. ) Right speaking on the condition of anonymity, which has been widely know by a few people who have talked about the issue since Libya. ("He wanted to build a religious country. He did not want democracy but a religious leader in power. He wanted to use suicide bombers as a way of fighting government troops in the area." ) This was reported and posted on the telegraph largely the telegraph is one sided with the rebels, but for them to admit that the terrorists are in Syria with aiding the FSA groups, is a surprise. But if anyone who has been following it since Libya its pretty clear, terrorists terrorists have infiltrated Syria from Turkey, even Libya. The black flag represents Jihad, the call for Jihad. One source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Standard For example my good friend if you are interested in geopolitics. Here's another exmaple of the flag in a another conflict, (Not in Syria) http://sheikyermami.com/2012/04/02/africa-jihad-mali-falls-black-flag-of-islam-flies-over-timbuktu/ (— Residents said on Monday that the ominous black flag of an Islamist rebel faction is now flying over Mali’s fabled city of Timbuktu, which over the weekend became the last major government stronghold in the country’s north to fall to the rebel advance.) A similar flag in Syria been used by the FSA fighters in some areas. The point is, do the FSA want an Sunni backed Islamist government as seen in Egypt? Oh and also more prefect english protest signs were spotted here. http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/07/16/syria.html You think Syrians would write that well in English?
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Bruno posted:You think Syrians would write that well in English?
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No Syrians can write in English. This is well known. In fact, it has been proven that Arabs are genetically incapable of learning European languages, much like how Americans cannot learn geography.
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But none of that proves that holding that particular flag automatically means you belong to al-Qaeda. Calling it the flag of al-Qaeda is like calling the England flag the flag of the BNP. It's deliberately giving only half the story to paint members Syrian opposition as belonging to al-Qaeda. Speaking of giving only half the story, Manaf Tlass appears to be appearing to give a speech where he positions himself as a transitional leader quote:Manaf Tlass, a prominent Republican Guard general who defected to Paris earlier this month, is expected to a deliver a speech in the next few days aimed at underlining his claims to a post-Assad leadership position. "He is going to approach the political, military, and social vision for the future," a close friend of the Tlass family told the Guardian. The family friend said that Tlass was consulting foreign governments as well as the opposition Syrian National Council about the speech. As I've blogged about before, he allegedly has connections to the French far right, was involved with the funding of the Voltaire Network International and Thierry Meyssan, and his family owned business has a long history of publishing anti-Semitic books.
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Chortles posted:Why should we not believe that the answer can very well be "yes, Syrians can write that well in English"? Tell me which language do you think the protesters would be using? European? Arabic? or maybe Russian? do you think those American Spring Protesters would use Russian in there protest signs? Highly unlikely, so if i was an Arab living in a Muslim country i would rather use the words in Arabic and not in English, no matter if you wanted to attract a reader or if the reader of a news site doesn't understand Arabic. Surely there are highly enough talented translators who could easily translate the sign while making the news article right Chortles? There are more over then 100 or more translators who could easily translate it, so why the need for the protest signs to be in English? For further looking here are some of them. http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/1/27/1327672704992/Kafranabel.jpg You think the Syrians would really write something like that? http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/3/30/1333116300000/annanonknees.jpg Same area. http://data.whicdn.com/images/20696794/Syria_Protest_large.jpg Reminds of that Libyan protest sign. Gaddafi times is up. http://english.al-akhbar.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/5cols/leading_images/Protest_20012012_1.jpg http://www.foreignpolicy.com/files/fp_uploaded_images/120703_syria%20poster%201.jpg Lord of the thrones? again in English. Remember this protest sign in Libya? http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhdboizMtg1qb5aavo1_500.jpg Oil for the west? so i take from the sign is that the libyans are willing to sell there country for oil? because if you look at the sign the way it was made. It was made pretty clear as a message for someone, or group didn't it. And what a surprise the BP company just started there oil operations just after the revolution. BP to resume oil operations in Libya http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18256587 (BP signed an exploration and production agreement with Libya's National Oil Corporation in 2007, but suspended the contract in February 2011 because of the war.) Bruno fucked around with this message at 09:09 on Jul 17, 2012 |
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The most widespread language in the world is English, if you want to grab the attention of the international community you use English.
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Bruno posted:Well i doubt that very often, i will explain why, lets have an example, so if there was an American Spring in America and there were reporters with the protesters. Do you think the Syrian people are incapable of understanding how to appeal to certain audiences in the West? How a sign in English is more likely to be featured in English language news services? How modern media and communication allows for an image from a town in Syria to be seen across the world? I always find it ironic that people who have the same attitude as you, a rather colonialist and imperialist attitude towards the Syrian people, tend to be anti-imperialist types.
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Brown Moses posted:Do you think the Syrian people are incapable of understanding how to appeal to certain audiences in the West? How a sign in English is more likely to be featured in English language news services? How modern media and communication allows for an image from a town in Syria to be seen across the world? Perhaps Bruno was expecting Esperanto. International business is conducted in English. It's taught at an early age in practically all developed countries and most if not all developing countries. If you want to talk to someone in another country, you try English first. FAUXTON fucked around with this message at 09:48 on Jul 17, 2012 |
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Brown Moses posted:Do you think the Syrian people are incapable of understanding how to appeal to certain audiences in the West? How a sign in English is more likely to be featured in English language news services? How modern media and communication allows for an image from a town in Syria to be seen across the world? Well Brown last year before any formations,,killings started i have noticed just like again in this year the rebel side started using children as young as 12 year olds in there protest groups,for example an English sign and the innocent children. http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/5/6/1304680405068/Protest-in-Banias-Syria--004.jpg http://ilga.org/ilga/static/uploads/images/2011/5/2/protest%20-%20syria.jpg You think Children would understand whats going on around them? hardly not, do you think what they are doing is appropriate? as i said before in 2011. Assad is no angle but so aren't the rebels, from what i have seen so far it seems at leas they are far worse then Assad. Its true that Assad did start a war in Lebanon with his neighbor, but thats in the past. But what makes you think for what the rebels are doing when they start using children as child soldiers is fair in War? At least sadly this making the Libyan rebels look better then the Sryian rebels in a way. As for my post the Jihad Flags, well Brown if you were in Israel or Bosnia you would have viewed it differently by now. During the Bosnian war in Bosnian the Muslims had the support of different terrorist groups from Saudi Arabia and Pakistani terrorists, i will show you this video which surprisingly again is an Tribute to them http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFsfCD4Z_RQ The flag starts at 2:50 The Flag of Jihad, below the Bosnian Banner. Brown did you kbow that the same mujahideen is also in Palestine? As for General Manaf Tlass, i am still waiting for an actual confirmation of his defection, so far the only confirmation has been the mainstream news outlets. Brown i have been following Syria from enduringamerica, thats whee i have been following most of the updates on Syria rather then those claims made on twitter. Brown Moses posted:But none of that proves that holding that particular flag automatically means you belong to al-Qaeda. Calling it the flag of al-Qaeda is like calling the England flag the flag of the BNP. It's deliberately giving only half the story to paint members Syrian opposition as belonging to al-Qaeda.
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The Entire Universe posted:Perhaps Bruno was expecting Esperanto. I know that,however i was questioning the way the sings and with English words they were used in those protest signs. You think an Sryian protester or any protester would rather say the A Word? or eggplant? the last time i checked that A slang phrase is often used in America isn't it not?
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Bruno, you are moving the goalposts with your flag chat, your initial claim that it's they are "flags of Al Qaeda" is a half-truth, one that's repeated by various anti-imperialist types to propagate their belief that al-Qaeda are a major part of the FSA (if not all of them). And what has 12 year olds got to do with whether or not Syrians are capable of producing those signs? Everytime you get challanged on a point you make you are changing the subject, which to me suggests you are unable to back up any of your points.
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