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Yep, the noise performance is very similar to the NEX line despite the smaller sensor, and in trade you get access to a decent selection of lenses! I'm leaving the mirrorless game, though, it's just not quite where I want it to be yet on a number of fronts - just put my NEX-7 on Craigslist. I'm going to go back to DSLRs for another couple of years and then look at mirrorless later down the line.
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Yeah, I've realized that, for my uses, my M4/3 stuff doesn't add enough convenience over my full sized kit to justify the compromises on handling and capability along with the expense of a separate lens library. It's still big enough that I need to sling it over my shoulder or carry a different bag, at which point I may as well have the big camera. If I didn't have the other camera it might be a different story, especially with stuff like the OM-D coming out, but for now I'm selling off my MFT gear and replacing it with something compact enough to fit in my everyday bag.
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powderific posted:Yeah, I've realized that, for my uses, my M4/3 stuff doesn't add enough convenience over my full sized kit to justify the compromises on handling and capability along with the expense of a separate lens library. It's still big enough that I need to sling it over my shoulder or carry a different bag, at which point I may as well have the big camera. Just out of curiosity what is your optimal size for carrying in your everyday bag? I've been rocking my GF2 with a 14mm and a couple cheap Chinese manual only lenses for a few months now and they have been dream a to use. Perhaps you should consider selling everything except your 20mm and snag then snag a refurbished E-PM1 kit to see if that's more your flavor. wheres my beer fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Jul 19, 2012 |
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I guess I should clarify that by "everyday bag" I mean man purse type thing that's extremely small—the smallest of these guys: http://www.sfbags.com/products/muzetto/muzetto.php Before the muzetto I carried a Tom Bihn travel bag that was been big enough for an E-PM1, but this bag's aesthetic is much, much nicer and the size is pretty much perfect. I can't see myself ditching it any time soon and realistically the biggest thing I'll be able to fit in there is something like an S100 or RX100.
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powderific posted:I guess I should clarify that by "everyday bag" I mean man purse type thing that's extremely small—the smallest of these guys: http://www.sfbags.com/products/muzetto/muzetto.php Man, that's a small bag. My Chrome Metropolis is freaking huge. I regularly hide a gripped Canon 7D with a 100-400 telephoto plus a my GF2 and GH1 in it. wheres my beer fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Jul 19, 2012 |
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Yeah, I have other bags for when I need more stuff, including the slightly smaller Chrome Citizen. The muzetto is for the stuff I want on my at all times—notepack, checkbook, IEM's, wallet, iPad/tablet, pens, flashlight, maybe a magazine, and just enough extra space for other random stuff if I need it.
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Miso Beno posted:Man, that's a small bag. My Chrome Metropolis is freaking huge. I regularly hide a gripped Canon 7D with a 100-400 telephoto plus a my GF2 and GH1 in it. I have a Chrome Citizen and I have managed to secure a home for my E-P2 by using the internal velcro straps to attach a MOLLE magazine pouch. It fits my E-P2 with a 14mm lens attached, a 50mm prime, and a 75-300mm zoom with adapters and room for extra batteries or what have you. Leaves tons of room left over in the bag without poo poo bouncing around inside.  Works great I dunno what kind of organization you use though. I don't really get having any kind of bag that doesn't fit at least a laptop anymore. edit: better picture signalnoise fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Jul 19, 2012 |
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Schmerm posted:Welp, I got an OM-D yesterday and so begins my journey into Micro 4/3rds land. I had to read many reviews to convince me that the "downgrade" from my APS-sized NEX sensor isn't that big a deal, especially combined with all the nice juicy features the OM-D offers (the image stabilization is awesome!). I did the same thing. Just waiting for the store to call me when it comes in. My 20mm is sitting on my door step right now!
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powderific posted:I guess I should clarify that by "everyday bag" I mean man purse type thing that's extremely small—the smallest of these guys: http://www.sfbags.com/products/muzetto/muzetto.php Good lord, that is a nice bag.
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It's just as nice in person—I love it. Well worth the price.
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spog posted:Good lord, that is a nice bag. The best part is that they have a handy size comparison tool so you can find the best fit for your lifestyle. I think the 10" and 11" bags hit the sweet spot for myself. 
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This is why I love the X100. No bag needed cause you ain't changing lenses. :-)
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poopinmymouth posted:This is why I love the X100. No bag needed cause you ain't changing lenses. :-) It even fits in some pockets.
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If anyone wants in on some sweet NEX-7 action, I'm leaving the mirrorless world (as mentioned before) and selling my NEX-7 with spare battery, BlackRapid SnapR bag, kit lens, and official IR remote over here in this thread. I'm also selling the 16mm pancake with the 11mm adapter with a polarizer, and the NEX-oriented Sony Alpha flash that has 20 guide power. Love the NEX-7, but I miss my EF-S lenses too much. 
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The Canon mirrorless specs were leaked today. quote:Official product photos of Canon’s soon-to-arrive mirrorless camera — the EOS M — leaked late last week, and now the camera’s specs are following suit. Canon Rumors reports that the camera will feature an 18MP APS-C sensor, an ISO range of 100-12800 (expandable to 25,600), a 3-inch touchscreen, phase and contrast autofocus, autofocus during video recording, 1080p HD video, and various image enhancement features (twilight mode, creative filters, HDR, multi-shot noise reduction). I wish the NEX had that pancake. I imagine this is only the beginning of the lens envying.
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What crazy magic did they use to get f/2 into that small of a lens?
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rio posted:The Canon mirrorless specs were leaked today. There's even a video on it now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPyhM2x9gT8
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Beastruction posted:What crazy magic did they use to get f/2 into that small of a lens?
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HPL posted:Samsung has a pancake 30mm f/2 lens. I wish Sony would get with it and do something similar. 30 is a more normal focal length though, don't wider angles usually have to use a more complicated design for the same aperture?
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Beastruction posted:30 is a more normal focal length though, don't wider angles usually have to use a more complicated design for the same aperture? Not really, Panasonic has a 20mm/1.7 pancake.
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Jul 23, 2012 03:42
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Don't forget the tiny f2 in the X100!
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Cacator posted:Don't forget the tiny f2 in the X100! 1st AD posted:Not really, Panasonic has a 20mm/1.7 pancake. Moral of the story, mirrorless allows for much shorter [cheap] high-performance primes. If Sony made a compact e-mount 30mm ~f1.8, I might never touch an SLR again. The closest we get is the (excellent) Sigma 30 f2.8, but that's far from pocketable. I don't know how they got the NEX bodies so right and got the lenses so, so wrong
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HPL posted:I wish Sony would get with it I think it's going to have a fixed LCD, which is a bummer.
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So... the EOS M is basically a repackaged T4i that will cost $799 with the pancake lens... http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/23/3176697/canons-eos-m-arrives-a-799-99-aps-c-mirrorless-camera-competitor quote:When we met with Canon, reps were careful to note what the EOS M is, and what it isn't. In the US, the company is positioning the EOS M as a video-first camera, designed to be something of a companion tool for videographers and cinematographers much the same way the G1 X is designed for pro shooters who want something smaller than their DSLR... Outside of the US they will apparently promote it more heavily as a mirrorless competitor. In any case, I won't pay $800 for this.
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So it's a T4i without the articulating LCD and a lovely form factor and terrible controls, and it's only a little bit cheaper. And let's be frank, when it comes to IQ there isn't a leap between the video modes from the T2i to the T4i. I'm pretty sure they look identical. I don't mind the EOS M, I think it's overpriced and I'd rather get an RX-100, but all in all it seems like a decent camera. Why they decided to market it as a video camera is beyond me.
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Canon obviously still only views Nikon as their competition. That arrogance will likely fail them in this particular arena. Too bad, there were a lot of ways they could have gone, this is barely even trying. Maybe next time.
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Consider that back in the day a Contax T2 or something similar would have cost around $500, which in 2012 would be roughly the same price as the Canon EOS M.
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1st AD posted:Why they decided to market it as a video camera is beyond me. That baffles me too.
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krackmonkey posted:Canon obviously still only views Nikon as their competition. That arrogance will likely fail them in this particular arena. Too bad, there were a lot of ways they could have gone, this is barely even trying. Maybe next time. It is so disappointing to see them practically admit that they intentionally crippled it by omitting a viewfinder from it to protect the Rebel line. Not that it would do anything with all the touchscreen nonsense.
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Its gonna be fun to hand hold the 70-200 on that thing and trying to use the lcd. Is there not even an EVF being released?
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Don Lapre posted:Its gonna be fun to hand hold the 70-200 on that thing and trying to use the lcd. Is there not even an EVF being released? I'd imagine it'd be pretty easy actually- hold by the lens, tap to focus- or mount to a tripod via lens mount and tap to focus. I'm pretty excited for where it will be in another iteration or two if it sells well enough. I like the Nex 5n but the lenses aren't pancake-y enough for me.
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MarsellusWallace posted:Moral of the story, mirrorless allows for much shorter [cheap] high-performance primes. If Sony made a compact e-mount 30mm ~f1.8, I might never touch an SLR again. meh, not really. Panasonic 20 (~40mm) 1.7 = 300-400 eurobucks Canon 50 1.8 = 100 eurobucks
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Don Lapre posted:Its gonna be fun to hand hold the 70-200 on that thing and trying to use the lcd. Is there not even an EVF being released? Apparently it doesn't even have a port to plug in an EVF.
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MarsellusWallace posted:Moral of the story, mirrorless allows for much shorter [cheap] high-performance primes. If Sony made a compact e-mount 30mm ~f1.8, I might never touch an SLR again. The closest we get is the (excellent) Sigma 30 f2.8, but that's far from pocketable. I don't know how they got the NEX bodies so right and got the lenses so, so wrong Probably because Sony as a whole from their computers to their smartphones to their game consoles to their cameras is all about good concepts and hardware and various degrees of poor execution. I'd love a good pancake as well so I can actually take it around with me and take good photos. Right now, I can manage with the Sigma 30mm by putting it in my coat breast pocket. However, the coat is not an option during the summer particularly by midday and after. Edward IV fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Jul 24, 2012 |
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Well, a bit disappointing, but at least it isn't a K-01. I really love seeing the religious ones try to defend that abomination on the Pentax forums. Usually it goes like:  So it is like a DSLR minus the viewfinder and phase detect autofocus. But it mounts K-mount lenses! But it could be half the thickness and have an adapter to mount them with full functionality. But it mounts K-mount lenses! But why pick this over a K-5? There's thirty million K-mount lenses!
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another thing I don't like about mirrorless cameras: it's like having a very small penis (something I already know a lot about)
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I am so glad I didn't bother waiting to see if Canon would release a mirrorless camera as a step up from my s90 and bought a G3 instead. Edit: Aside from buying the G3 as it was (and is) a joy to use and got good reviews for image quality etc. I know literally almost nothing about what I should look at in terms of a "not a kit" lens for it. From lurking in this forum primarily to enjoy the "terrible pictures from other photographers" thread I would guess that a pancake lens would be the best companion to it but any tips on a reasonable alternate lens? Powerful Two-Hander fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Jul 23, 2012 |
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If I were you, I'd buy a 45-200mm and 20mm pancake used from an upstanding member of these forums who happens to be selling both at the moment. (They were great on my g2.) But really, other than the pancake, which seems to be the number on recommendation, it depends on what you want to shoot with it.
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