Stargate: "I do not understand why everything in the script must inevitably explode."

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JetsGuy: Sep 17, 2003; science + hockey
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truth masseuse posted:

Merlin was a decent Ancient in assisting to get rid of the Ori. But then again he did invad Daniel's mind which could have killed him. What a dick.

...and the ancients sent Morgan to try to kill Merlin and it's only the fact that she became convinced he was right that she didn't. The ancients went out of their way to be dicks.

The only way they forgave Oma or Morgan was for them to be in those "eternal battles".

Zoe posted:

Hey guys, there's still a ton of SG-1 I haven't seen so I'm making my second attempt to watch the whole thing in order from the beginning (first attempt was a few months ago and got side-tracked by RL problems).

IIRC there was an old Let's Watch thread floating around ages ago...anyone still have a link to that? I want to read other people's reactions as I go but lots of spoilers in this thread.

Only Eating apples has a blog where she posted her reactions as she went through the series. The link is in the thread if you wanna read it.

# ? Jul 20, 2012 17:48

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# ? Jun 7, 2024 05:56

GuardianOfAsgaard: Feb 1, 2012; Their steel shines red
With enemy blood
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JetsGuy posted:

Eating Only Apples has a blog where she posted her reactions as she went through the series. The link is in the thread if you wanna read it.

Fixed the name for you, but yeah, here's the link to save you trawling through the whole thread. Though she hasn't updated it in months! :argh:

# ? Jul 20, 2012 19:14

Zoe: Jan 19, 2007; Hair Elf

She's too busy playing The Sims! :argh:

Thanks for the link, those are good reviews/first impressions/whatever and just what I was looking for. It's too bad they just cover the first few episodes though...think I may have to go over to her LP thread and give her a friendly reminder in a bit. :ese:

# ? Jul 21, 2012 03:08

GuardianOfAsgaard: Feb 1, 2012; Their steel shines red
With enemy blood
It sings of victory
Granted by the Gods

Zoe posted:

She's too busy playing The Sims!

Thanks for the link, those are good reviews/first impressions/whatever and just what I was looking for. It's too bad they just cover the first few episodes though...think I may have to go over to her LP thread and give her a friendly reminder in a bit.

First few episodes? Check the rest of the pages, it goes up to near the end of season 5.

# ? Jul 21, 2012 03:44

Zoe: Jan 19, 2007; Hair Elf

GuardianOfAsgaard posted:

First few episodes? Check the rest of the pages, it goes up to near the end of season 5.

I am not good at the internet. :saddowns:

# ? Jul 22, 2012 02:36

Hewlett: Mar 4, 2005; "DANCE! DANCE! DANCE!"

Also, drink
and watch movies.
That's fun too.

Anyone else catch Teal'c as one of Bane's henchmen in The Dark Knight Rises?

Also, apparently the Batman and SG-1 worlds share the same president - William Devane.

# ? Jul 22, 2012 08:01

Rhyno: Mar 22, 2003; Can't post for 10 years!

Hewlett posted:

Anyone else catch Teal'c as one of Bane's henchmen in The Dark Knight Rises?

Also, apparently the Batman and SG-1 worlds share the same president - William Devane.

I loved that and totally forgot that I was going to make this very same post.

# ? Jul 22, 2012 08:04

JetsGuy: Sep 17, 2003; science + hockey
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Hewlett posted:

Anyone else catch Teal'c as one of Bane's henchmen in The Dark Knight Rises?

Also, apparently the Batman and SG-1 worlds share the same president - William Devane.

I was totally hoping that

he'd say NOT GONNA HAPPEN

# ? Jul 22, 2012 18:48

richardfun: Aug 10, 2008; Twenty years? It's no wonder I'm so hungry. Do you have anything to eat?

JetsGuy posted:

I was totally hoping that

he'd say NOT GONNA HAPPEN

I was hoping for an 'indeed'.

# ? Jul 23, 2012 00:08

longview: Dec 25, 2006; heh.

Hey what happens if you walk through the back of an active stargate?

# ? Jul 23, 2012 09:11

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

You come out the back of the other one, duh.

# ? Jul 23, 2012 11:43

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

longview posted:

Hey what happens if you walk through the back of an active stargate?

Much the same as happens if you try to walk back through a gate that has been opened from the other end, vaporized.

Yet another of the many problems the ancients could have easily prevented but decided not to.

# ? Jul 23, 2012 12:52

Snak: Oct 10, 2005; I myself will carry you to the Gates of Valhalla...
You will ride eternal,
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So I have been a trekkie my entire life. For longest time, I harbored a lot of prejudice against Stargate basically because it wasn't Star Trek. That was stupid, and I'm happy to say I've just finished my first watch-through of SG-1 and I loved it. I can't believe I avoided it for so long, and I think it's actually much better than a lot of Trek.

I did watch Ark of Truth and it was okay. Nice to wrap up the Ori arc (Which I actually loved), but the replicators bit was lame. And there was no good Teal'C fight scene!

I'm on like, episode 7 of Atlantis, and other than hating the new gate design, hating Teyla, and finding Dr. Weir incompetant, I think it's nice to get back to the feel of earlier SG-1. The wraith look mind bogglingly stupid, I hope that their makeup improves in any way. Still, I guess it's better than when all Jaffa wore those snake helmets...

# ? Jul 23, 2012 13:13

Noni: Jul 8, 2003; ASK ME ABOUT DEFRAUDING GOONS WITH HOT DOGS AND HOW I BANNED EPIC HAMCAT

Snak posted:

Still, I guess it's better than when all Jaffa wore those snake helmets...

Aww I miss those snake helmets. It was a special moment between me and the television every time someone retracted their helmet and it conspicuously only opened halfway with a klunk, like a knight with a rusty helmet. Then there would be a cut to something else for a second and the Jaffa would be shown again, standing there with his helmet having suddenly retracted the rest of the way.

The helmets were a perfect match for all those early Jaffa who somehow fired their staff weapons while they were closed.

# ? Jul 23, 2012 13:28

JetsGuy: Sep 17, 2003; science + hockey
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Noni posted:

The helmets were a perfect match for all those early Jaffa who somehow fired their staff weapons while they were closed.

And all those Jaffa that have zats that can't extend. :v:

# ? Jul 23, 2012 16:36

Hewlett: Mar 4, 2005; "DANCE! DANCE! DANCE!"

Also, drink
and watch movies.
That's fun too.

JetsGuy posted:

And all those Jaffa that have zats that can't extend.

It's a common problem with older Jaffa, try to be a little more sensitive about it.

# ? Jul 23, 2012 17:41

longview: Dec 25, 2006; heh.

Senor Tron posted:

Much the same as happens if you try to walk back through a gate that has been opened from the other end, vaporized.

Yet another of the many problems the ancients could have easily prevented but decided not to.

Man, they really were dicks weren't they.

I don't get why the SGC never bothered to ask the Tok'Ra or any one of the ancients, or the Atlantis team to dig out the datasheet for the gate-DHD interface. Ancients probably had terrible coding practices and nobody ever bothered to write one.

longview fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Jul 23, 2012

# ? Jul 23, 2012 20:10

Just-In-Timeberlake: Aug 18, 2003

longview posted:

Man, they really were dicks weren't they.

I don't get why the SGC never bothered to ask the Tok'Ra or any one of the ancients, or the Atlantis team to dig out the datasheet for the gate-DHD interface. Ancients probably had terrible coding practices and nobody ever bothered to write one.

Looks at Ancient code base, no loving comments anywhere :mad:

# ? Jul 23, 2012 21:28

Doug Sisk: Sep 11, 2001

golgo13sf posted:

Looks at Ancient code base, no loving comments anywhere

I always told myself that the people who could code couldn't read ancient, and those that could read ancient couldn't code. That covers a lot of bases, until later in the series and Atlantis anyway.

# ? Jul 23, 2012 23:33

Der Luftwaffle: Dec 29, 2008

Noni posted:

Aww I miss those snake helmets. It was a special moment between me and the television every time someone retracted their helmet and it conspicuously only opened halfway with a klunk, like a knight with a rusty helmet. Then there would be a cut to something else for a second and the Jaffa would be shown again, standing there with his helmet having suddenly retracted the rest of the way.

It always struck me as odd that they had a full CG-sequence for the Horus helmets extending and retracting fully into their suits, but never one for the snake heads.

# ? Jul 23, 2012 23:45

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

longview posted:

Man, they really were dicks weren't they.

I don't get why the SGC never bothered to ask the Tok'Ra or any one of the ancients, or the Atlantis team to dig out the datasheet for the gate-DHD interface. Ancients probably had terrible coding practices and nobody ever bothered to write one.

When you open a Stargate connection, 4 wormhole barriers become available. Front and back of the sending gate, front and back of the receiving gate. Of those 4 options, 3 will kill anyone trying to use it.

# ? Jul 23, 2012 23:59

Forum Actuary: Jan 23, 2004; BRITISH

I think the Horus one was just reused from the movie. If I remember right, we didn't actually see it in the show until season 8 or so when Teal'c wears one for a bit, but may be wrong on that.

# ? Jul 24, 2012 00:00

IRQ: Sep 9, 2001; SUCK A DICK, DUMBSHITS!

Senor Tron posted:

When you open a Stargate connection, 4 wormhole barriers become available. Front and back of the sending gate, front and back of the receiving gate. Of those 4 options, 3 will kill anyone trying to use it.

All 4 will kill you if you're too close as well!

The Ancients were real dicks.

# ? Jul 24, 2012 00:23

Snak: Oct 10, 2005; I myself will carry you to the Gates of Valhalla...
You will ride eternal,
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Yeah the Horus guard helmets that we see in the show retract about as much as the snake ones, but they looks less retarded. Then in like season 8, when they time travel back to when Ra is on earth, Teal'C gets a movie style one that is totally kickass. I can't believe they didn't start using those in the show more. Ironically, in the same episode, Ra's mask looks like total poo poo.

The best part of Ark of Truth was definitly Teal'C's speach to Tomin about how there will never be redemption for the attrocities committed in the name of a false god an you will never forgive yourself... but that's no excuse to stop fighting for what is right and just.

edit: VV yeah I guess with a mask there's basically no economical way to do it even with just CGI.

Snak fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Jul 24, 2012

# ? Jul 24, 2012 00:25

IRQ: Sep 9, 2001; SUCK A DICK, DUMBSHITS!

The masks were a pain in the dick and cost too much. The movie could do it because it was a movie.

# ? Jul 24, 2012 00:36

Idran: Jan 13, 2005; Grimey Drawer

IRQ posted:

All 4 will kill you if you're too close as well!

The Ancients were real dicks.

Wait, does the vortex form on both sides? I know the movie had that swirly effect in back, but I thought the kawoosh was only on the "front" of the gate in the show.

# ? Jul 24, 2012 02:59

Snak: Oct 10, 2005; I myself will carry you to the Gates of Valhalla...
You will ride eternal,
shiny and chrome.; Grimey Drawer

Idran posted:

Wait, does the vortex form on both sides? I know the movie had that swirly effect in back, but I thought the kawoosh was only on the "front" of the gate in the show.

That is correct.

# ? Jul 24, 2012 03:11

GuardianOfAsgaard: Feb 1, 2012; Their steel shines red
With enemy blood
It sings of victory
Granted by the Gods

Snak posted:

That is correct.

No, it's not. The kawoosh only forms out the front of the gate. The guy saying all 4 sides/event-horizons of a gate connection can kill you meant the front and back of an incoming, the back of an outgoing, and the kawoosh at the front of an outgoing.

*edit* I assume you thought by "both sides" he meant the dialed gate and the receiving gate, rather than the front and back of a gate.

GuardianOfAsgaard fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Jul 24, 2012

# ? Jul 24, 2012 03:15

Rhyno: Mar 22, 2003; Can't post for 10 years!

In the film the wormhole trails off behind the gate like water going down a drain. An effect that was probably too expensive to do in the series every episode.

# ? Jul 24, 2012 03:21

IRQ: Sep 9, 2001; SUCK A DICK, DUMBSHITS!

Isn't there a small backward kawoosh too? I culd swear there was.

# ? Jul 24, 2012 03:24

JetsGuy: Sep 17, 2003; science + hockey
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Rhyno posted:

In the film the wormhole trails off behind the gate like water going down a drain. An effect that was probably too expensive to do in the series every episode.

This is correct.

# ? Jul 24, 2012 03:30

Noni: Jul 8, 2003; ASK ME ABOUT DEFRAUDING GOONS WITH HOT DOGS AND HOW I BANNED EPIC HAMCAT

Also, when they're in the southern hemisphere, the gate flushes counter-clockwise.

# ? Jul 24, 2012 04:24

Snak: Oct 10, 2005; I myself will carry you to the Gates of Valhalla...
You will ride eternal,
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GuardianOfAsgaard posted:

No, it's not. The kawoosh only forms out the front of the gate. The guy saying all 4 sides/event-horizons of a gate connection can kill you meant the front and back of an incoming, the back of an outgoing, and the kawoosh at the front of an outgoing.

*edit* I assume you thought by "both sides" he meant the dialed gate and the receiving gate, rather than the front and back of a gate.

Actually, I meant this part

Idran posted:

... I thought the kawoosh was only on the "front" of the gate in the show.

But I can see how that was confusing.

# ? Jul 24, 2012 05:02

longview: Dec 25, 2006; heh.

Would be pretty funny if a planet for some reason had the gate upside down, so every time they gated in to it they'd come tumbling out. Also when they gate out they'd probably form inside the floor at the bottom :smith:

Also the Directors commentary is pretty interesting, for instance: Walter does not wear pants during shooting, and his favourite chevron is #3.

# ? Jul 24, 2012 09:11

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Snak posted:

Yeah the Horus guard helmets that we see in the show retract about as much as the snake ones, but they looks less retarded. Then in like season 8, when they time travel back to when Ra is on earth, Teal'C gets a movie style one that is totally kickass. I can't believe they didn't start using those in the show more. Ironically, in the same episode, Ra's mask looks like total poo poo.

The best part of Ark of Truth was definitly Teal'C's speach to Tomin about how there will never be redemption for the attrocities committed in the name of a false god an you will never forgive yourself... but that's no excuse to stop fighting for what is right and just.

edit: VV yeah I guess with a mask there's basically no economical way to do it even with just CGI.

Didn't Heru-ur wear a wicked gold Horus mask, and whenever it retracted they just cut to a 'whoa cool' reaction shot from SG1? It was a bit jarring to suddenly see him out of the mask.

# ? Jul 24, 2012 09:59

Just-In-Timeberlake: Aug 18, 2003

Fire_Monkey posted:

I always told myself that the people who could code couldn't read ancient, and those that could read ancient couldn't code. That covers a lot of bases, until later in the series and Atlantis anyway.

IRQ posted:

All 4 will kill you if you're too close as well!

The Ancients were real dicks.

code:


Gate g = New Gate(_origin:=New Point("Earth"), _dest:=New Point("Abydos"));

g.OriginFront.SetDeathOnEnter = False;

//***LOL CHECK THIS OUT***
g.OriginBack.SetDeathOnEnter = True;
g.DestinationFront.SetDeathOnEnter = True;
g.DestinationBack.SetDeathOnEnter = True;

g.OriginFront.CheckForObstruction = False;
g.DestinationFront.CheckForObstruction = False;

//***IMPORTANT, DO NOT DISABLE THIS SECTION!***
If !(g.CheckForSolarFlare()) { g.Open() };

Just-In-Timeberlake fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Jul 24, 2012

# ? Jul 24, 2012 15:08

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

golgo13sf posted:

code:


Gate g = New Gate(_origin:=New Point("Earth"), _dest:=New Point("Abydos"));

g.OriginFront.SetDeathOnEnter = False;

//***LOL CHECK THIS OUT***
g.OriginBack.SetDeathOnEnter = True;
g.DestinationFront.SetDeathOnEnter = True;
g.DestinationBack.SetDeathOnEnter = True;

g.OriginFront.CheckForObstruction = False;
g.DestinationFront.CheckForObstruction = False;

//***IMPORTANT, DO NOT DISABLE THIS SECTION!***
If Not(g.CheckForSolarFlare) Then g.Open();

I love you.

longview posted:

Would be pretty funny if a planet for some reason had the gate upside down, so every time they gated in to it they'd come tumbling out. Also when they gate out they'd probably form inside the floor at the bottom

I like to imagine that there some planets that had their gates mounted so that none of the gate was embedded into the ground or a support platform, and that people stepping into one of those would immediately trip over when they materialised at the other end.

# ? Jul 24, 2012 16:00

JetsGuy: Sep 17, 2003; science + hockey
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golgo13sf posted:

code:


Gate g = New Gate(_origin:=New Point("Earth"), _dest:=New Point("Abydos"));

g.OriginFront.SetDeathOnEnter = False;

//***LOL CHECK THIS OUT***
g.OriginBack.SetDeathOnEnter = True;
g.DestinationFront.SetDeathOnEnter = True;
g.DestinationBack.SetDeathOnEnter = True;

g.OriginFront.CheckForObstruction = False;
g.DestinationFront.CheckForObstruction = False;

//***IMPORTANT, DO NOT DISABLE THIS SECTION!***
If !(g.CheckForSolarFlare()) { g.Open() };

It figures the ancients would use C++ instead of a superior language like python. :smug:

# ? Jul 24, 2012 17:35

longview: Dec 25, 2006; heh.

I figured they'd be divided between die hard assembly coders and PHP users. But C++ is definitely appropriate for the Ancients, pointers and all.

Edit: Just saw this, from when they took down the gate network:
[img]http://longview.be/uploader/uploads/20120724075342PMStargate.SG1-s07e09.Avenger.2.0.mkv_snapshot_17.52_[2012.07.24_21.53.06].jpg[/img]

Sure looks like an Ancient language (C++).

longview fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Jul 24, 2012

# ? Jul 24, 2012 20:50

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JetsGuy posted:

It figures the ancients would use C++ instead of a superior language like python.

Looks more like a cross between C++, VB and Pascal.

# ? Jul 25, 2012 01:42

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