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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I had a blast with American Horror Story. The second season is apparently going to have an entirely different cast from the first. Jessica Lange is apparently still in it (thank god 'cause she was awesome) but plays a different character? i know Zachary Quintos will be in it too. From what I understand it's taking place in an entirely different setting with different characters but some reoccurring actors . According to Wikipedia "The setting will be an institution for the criminally insane in the 1960s, with Jessica Lange's new character as the head of the asylum. It will be themed on sanity" I seriously can't wait, the first season was fun as hell.
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Jul 25, 2012 02:00
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Dude it got some of the highest ratings FX has ever seen so we very well may get a couple seasons out of it 
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Has anyone mentioned the Millenium Trilogy? The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (Män som hatar kvinnor, literally, Men who hate women) (2005)  The Girl Who Played with Fire (Flickan som lekte med elden, literally, The girl who played with fire) (2006)  The Girl Who Kicked the Hornets' Nest (Luftslottet som sprängdes, literally, The air castle that blew up) (2007) 
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Jul 25, 2012 02:38
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I really like the Millennium trilogy but it's definitely not horror. And I know I'll probably be skewered for saying this, but the Fincher remake was better.
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Triangulum posted:Dude it got some of the highest ratings FX has ever seen so we very well may get a couple seasons out of it Oh I knew that. I just appreciate the lack of the restraint on the show, because it would have been easier to do a very conservative slow burn. But every single episode goes for every crazy idea it can think of - it's not just a horror story, it's a horror universe.
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White Rabbit posted:I went to see Kill List last night and it's place is definitely in this thread. It builds up to a strong, unexpected ending so I advise not to read about it but if you like early Polansky or the unreliable narrator of the Machinist you owe it to yourself to check it out. As much as I like the Machinist this is even better actually. I absolutely love Kill List and have been pondering making a thread about it for months.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Oh I knew that. I just appreciate the lack of the restraint on the show, because it would have been easier to do a very conservative slow burn. But every single episode goes for every crazy idea it can think of - it's not just a horror story, it's a horror universe. That's one of the things that really caught my eye about it. Everything is hurled at you at once, at full speed, and about the time you wrap your head around it there's even more poo poo flying at you. I knew this show was going to be incredible about the time the maid is simultaneously an old woman and smoking hot and whatshisname the father is just straight jerking it to her and you see his o-face. You have no idea what's going on or why but holy hell it's entertaining.
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LesbianCharizard posted:I was really looking foward for any topic like this in which we could all share our thought and recomendations. Don't watch this movie if you know absolutely anything about Edgar Allen Poe.
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Triangulum posted:I really like the Millennium trilogy but it's definitely not horror. And I know I'll probably be skewered for saying this, but the Fincher remake was better. I'm curious about this opinion. I went into the remake fully expecting it to be better, but was sorely disappointed. He somehow made the pacing much worse.
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I think it was mostly that it was a really pretty movie, the soundtrack was phenomenal, and I always pictured Daniel Craig as Blomkvist when I read the books. Rapace was a way better Lisbeth but I really liked how Lisbeth's quietness was portrayed in the remake. But on the other hand, Bjurman's casting was really terrible and I didn't like how they tried to soften up Lisbeth at all.
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If some of you actually got something out of Martyrs, could you tell me what it was? I just found it incredibly depressing. It's definitely more skillful than torture-porn films at conveying pain and misery, but the more I think about the ending, the more I find it didn't actually raise any insightful questions, but is just depressing. I also find the cult's motivation more shallow and hokey the more I think about it. If you're going to put gutwrenchingly misogynistic violence in a film, I expect you to actually have a point. The dialectic doesn't have to be as obvious as a flashing neon sign, but increasingly I find that when directors offer an ending that "is open to each viewer's interpretation" or "is about questions not answers" it's more often because they couldn't come up with a coherent conclusion.
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Halloween Jack posted:If some of you actually got something out of Martyrs, could you tell me what it was? I just found it incredibly depressing. It's definitely more skillful than torture-porn films at conveying pain and misery, but the more I think about the ending, the more I find it didn't actually raise any insightful questions, but is just depressing. I also find the cult's motivation more shallow and hokey the more I think about it. The particulars of the ending might be left open to interpretation, but there's still a definite conclusion to the story. The cult's plan works, but the Mademoiselle wishes it hadn't and so she kills herself instead of revealing Anna's secrets. So the audience doesn't find out all the secrets of existence that Anna learned, how could we? Especially when the point is that we may not want to know. Also I'm not sure its misogynistic violence, its not like the cult is doing what they do because they just hate women. Neither is the audience supposed to watch because they hate women, since the filmmakers clearly want us to empathize with Anna. I'd like to defend the film as a whole, but I'd have to gather my thoughts better first. I will say that the main idea the film is exploring is whether suffering can lead to enlightenment, and maybe even whether the horror or "torture porn" genres can do the same. Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Aug 1, 2012 |
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escape artist posted:What do you guys think of Audition? I thought it was a fantastic movie, but an incredibly slow burn. It's great the first time around, but as someone else said, definitely not really worth watching after that. HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I had a blast with American Horror Story. The second season is apparently going to have an entirely different cast from the first. I watched the first two episodes of this a while back and thought it was terrible, is it worth persisting with? I like the concept. Maybe someone should make a Martyrs thread as it doesn't belong here but it's an interesting film. It's just far, far too violent and the second half of the movie fits the 'goreporn' title too much (even if it has a pay-off and does somewhat fit the psychological horror tag). I'd do it myself but it's the most disturbing film I've ever seen and I don't really want to delve back into it for the purposes of writing a thread (although I watched the American cut with my sister a while back and it's nowhere near as bad but that kind of misses the point).
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This is from a few pages back, but thank God someone else has seen this movie and enjoyed it. A few years back TWC's On Demand had a huge list of tacky horror movies during Halloween time and I decided it was my job to watch all of them. While operating on the same low budget, this movie blew the rest away. The acting and technical aspects leave something to be desired, but I found the tense atmosphere that they captured in the trenches to rival that of any WWI movie I have seen. The ending is also one that I was in no way expecting. If you get the chance, you really need to watch this movie. To contribute, another movie I watched during this marathon was Brainscan, a heavily 90's futuristic look at a full submersion video game, it is dated, tacky and yet somehow kind of fun to watch. Also, Edward Furlong. PTizzle posted:Maybe someone should make a Martyrs thread as it doesn't belong here but it's an interesting film. It's just far, far too violent and the second half of the movie fits the 'goreporn' title too much (even if it has a pay-off and does somewhat fit the psychological horror tag). I'd do it myself but it's the most disturbing film I've ever seen and I don't really want to delve back into it for the purposes of writing a thread (although I watched the American cut with my sister a while back and it's nowhere near as bad but that kind of misses the point). I recently watched this movie, and after it, I'm swearing off that ('extreme' horror) genre from now on. I have watched A Serbian Film and this movie is horrible compared to it. This movie defined 'torture- porn' to me, I felt as if the only point of the movie was to watch the depravity and gore. I really felt disgusting after watching it. Dr.Caligari fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Aug 12, 2012 |
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escape artist posted:What do you guys think of Audition? I really, really like it just for how much it disturbed me when I saw it. Unfortunately, if you're asking about it that means you probably already have a notion of what the plot is and I think going in blind is by far the best way to see it. e: and Martyrs was garbage regulargonzalez fucked around with this message at 12:12 on Aug 13, 2012 |
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The Others Nicole Kidman protects her light-sensitive kids in a spooky house. This is probably my favourite horror film for the intensity of Kidman's performance. You do not doubt for an instant that she would gently caress up any fool that steps to her children.
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I think calling out Martyrs for being "bad" because it had some scenes that could be construed as torture porn is infantile. There were a lot of other things wrong with it that made it an uninteresting movie and simply the content at face value wasn't one of them.
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weekly font posted:I think calling out Martyrs for being "bad" because it had some scenes that could be construed as torture porn is infantile. There were a lot of other things wrong with it that made it an uninteresting movie and simply the content at face value wasn't one of them. Also, I frankly don't see what the first half of the film has to do with the second half. It seems like two somewhat-related plots mashed together and in some ways it comes across as one of those TV movies made from two mashed-together episodes of a show. I'm really really sorry that scenes of women being punched in the face bother me, though! Guess I'm just a babby.
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Halloween Jack posted:I'm not calling it out as bad for containing torture porn, but rather for not having much payoff as far as I'm concerned. Nah, I wasn't calling you out specifically, more the general hive mind consensus on the film being nothing but garbage torture porn. I actually entirely agree with you on the payoff and two different movies points.
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foodfight posted:I absolutely love Kill List and have been pondering making a thread about it for months. I also loved this movie, but for some reason one of the violent scenes made me extremely uncomfortable. I've seen my share of violent movies, but there was something about the way this scene was framed that made it very effective. the scene In question is the hammer killing - I'm not sure why it provoked such a reaction from me, but I genuinely felt like I was gonna have an anxiety attack just after it So yeah fantastic movie, but I haven't been able to re-watch it yet.
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I watched Martyrs, and while the conversation about it was a few days ago, I thought I'd weigh in. First, it's really not a psychological thriller after the first half finishes. It's just plain old torture-porn, eventually reaching the point of gore-porn. It really has no point, other than a hokey 'who's the real monster? The cult, or YOU?!' subtext. However, if we examine the film through the dialectic it itself poses - the divide between victim and martyr - then it unintentionally poses a deeper question. Simply put, why are watching torture porn to begin with? What is it we're after? Do we just want entertainment in the form of suffering victims or do we actually want something a bit deeper, like the cult itself? Barring that accidental philosophic question though, it's not a particularly good film unless you're into torture porn, and frankly, I was a bit disappointed. Like the Bunny Game, it was hyped to me as being truly sick and irredeemable, and it was a let down in that respect. I suppose that puts me squarely into the 'torture porn tourist' category, the guy who wants victims and not martyrs, but so be it.
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I like how you say it has no point, then in the very next sentence explain the point of the movie which is hinted at in the title of the movie.
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Well, that's because I don't think it was actually intentional on their part to pose that question. I think they just set out to make a film with the standard 'who's the real monster' twist, not to get us thinking about that twist in any meaningful capacity. Mind you, I'm essentially a goddamn retard, so my perceptions are probably wrong.
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Is it wrong that i enjoy torture/gore stuff for the special effects? I mean I don't think its that realistic, its not like watching surgery videos. I really like the way a lot of film makers pull off overly violent special effects, to varying degress of success. It seems there's a general stigma against enjoying these films, but I'm shameless.
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Loomer posted:Well, that's because I don't think it was actually intentional on their part to pose that question. I think they just set out to make a film with the standard 'who's the real monster' twist, not to get us thinking about that twist in any meaningful capacity. It's about as unintentional as it was in Funny Games.
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Original or remake? This is important.
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Well, thanks to this thread I discovered Triangle, which before now I never heard of. It was certainly my kind of movie, especially how it allows for more than one interpretation of the events. My only major problem with it is that you have to swallow the major convienience that at some point in the cycle either she mostly forgets what happened previously or behaves like she does which wouldn't help her in her overall goal. But then, that's always an issue with these types of movies. After all, in Timecrimes you have to accept that people won't question rather absurd suggestions such as "The only rational thing for you to do right now is hide in this tiny tub of liquid" or "Trust me, cutting your hair is the only way to escape this madman." Still enjoyed both films quite a lot, though. At the very least, it's clear the writers put a lot of thought into them instead of just relying on a cheap twist at the end.
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I really don't get the love for Triangle at all. Loomer posted:Original or remake? This is important. It's not Funny Games unless Arno Frisch is in it  The American version may be a shot for shot remake, but the casting was really weak.Speaking of Frisch and Haneke, has anyone seen Benny's Video? Triangulum fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Aug 19, 2012 |
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Loomer posted:Well, that's because I don't think it was actually intentional on their part to pose that question. I think they just set out to make a film with the standard 'who's the real monster' twist, not to get us thinking about that twist in any meaningful capacity. How could it be unintentional? That theme you mentioned earlier is the entire movie. It's not even really subtext once the movie becomes about a group of people who believe that violence and torture are transcendent experiences. If they are experienced by someone else, that is. Of course when the movie halts for them to explain their philosophy we're meant to question it, and how it applies to our own attraction to violence. The other important thing to note about Martyrs is the main scene of violence is not played for splat-stick laughs or thrills like the Saw or Hostel films and their ilk. Rather the horror is in the banality and rote aspect of the torture. The audience is made to identify with the one being tortured instead of feeling schadenfreude at the terrible routine she goes through day after day. It's hard not to see a commentary on the genre there. Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Aug 19, 2012 |
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You're probably right, actually. I freely admit to having fairly shite opinions on a lot of things, and now it's looking like I might need to reexamine Martyrs from a different perspective (I did go in expecting meaningless tortureporn, afterall.)
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Loomer posted:Well, that's because I don't think it was actually intentional on their part to pose that question. I think they just set out to make a film with the standard 'who's the real monster' twist, not to get us thinking about that twist in any meaningful capacity. I don't know, "martyr" is not a neutral word, especially given the origin of the genre, it's film antecedents, etc. I could agree with being turned off by the way it's executed - but give yourself some credit, you did correctly identify what the movie is swinging for.
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Loomer posted:I watched Martyrs, and while the conversation about it was a few days ago, I thought I'd weigh in. First, it's really not a psychological thriller after the first half finishes. It's just plain old torture-porn, eventually reaching the point of gore-porn.
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foodfight posted:I absolutely love Kill List and have been pondering making a thread about it for months. You should. I watched it based on a short review in Empire magazine that basically said 'two hitmen work their way through a list of targets that becomes increasingly bizarre'. Sure, that's basically what the films about, but once it was over I just stared at the blank screen for some time wondering what the gently caress I'd just watched.
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Loomer posted:You're probably right, actually. I freely admit to having fairly shite opinions on a lot of things, and now it's looking like I might need to reexamine Martyrs from a different perspective (I did go in expecting meaningless tortureporn, afterall.) I'm pretty certain I don't get what Martyrs tries to do, but if someone can destroy this, please do: To me, it felt as if the cult poses a question that everybody seemingly wants an answer to; is there an afterlife? The cult supposedly found a way to answer this question through creating a martyr. So the torture starts and the further we go, the further we question the means to the end as a viewer. In a way, your own morbid curiosity becomes tested by the violence on screen (which links it to movies like Funny Games to me). Near the end, when the lady shoots herself, I had two ideas; Either she was so scared / disliked the answer so much, that she ended it (possible guilt too). Or she actually got the answer she wished for and, ehm, sped up her departure there. It's been a while since I saw the movie, so I might overlook glaring scenes that counter this. I'm just not really looking forward to a rewatch.
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HampHamp posted:I also loved this movie, but for some reason one of the violent scenes made me extremely uncomfortable. I've seen my share of violent movies, but there was something about the way this scene was framed that made it very effective. I've been trying to find a interview I read with the director, but he talks about this specifically and how they used a rubber hammer in that scene and then they used a very sharp metal on metal sound for the impact sound effect. There is also the whole thing where you are expecting them to cut away during that scene and it never happens so the rest of the movie you think that literally anything can happen.
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I'm very tired of movies that claim to be criticizing sadism and violence while wallowing in its worst excesses. I think the last film I saw that legitimately criticized media violence was...wait for it...Rollerball.
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I just got done watching eXistenZ, Session 9 and Kairo. Really hard to pick a favorite from these ones! eXistenZ wasn't really as heavy on the horror as I'd hoped, but it's still a Cronenberg flick so it definitely made me squirm in a couple of spots. Am I the wrong in thinking the virtual protagonist was not really relatable to? She seemed too self-important for someone who's basically a megajunkie. I almost deemed Session 9 as a direct-to-TV quality horror short, but I was pleasantly surprised by the course it took. It was a refreshing change to not have anything supernatural about a horror movie at all, and this movie pulled said change very well. And Kairo. SUPER creepy movie. I almost turned it off because it was too intense at parts! The horror is very Japanese though, and basically berates the social behavior of teenagers during the entire movie. However, the nagging doesn't distract from how brilliant the horror elements are at all! I thought it was super clever how they basically reversed traditional jumpscares by making ghostly apparitions appear in complete silence; really effective move that made the haunting truly terrifying. Kikka fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Aug 20, 2012 |
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Kikka posted:And Kairo. SUPER creepy movie. I almost turned it off because it was too intense at parts! The horror is very Japanese though, and basically berates the social behavior of teenagers during the entire movie. However, the nagging doesn't distract from how brilliant the horror elements are at all! If you liked Kairo also check out Cure by the same director. Its about a detective investigating bizarre murders that are done by people who can't remember why they did it. I liked it more than Kairo.
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