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Bovril Delight posted:The CTS is a hideous car, sorry. 
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discstickers posted:Hmmm, maybe I'm full of poo poo: Nope, 328i auto only: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-bmw-3-series-sports-wagon-first-drive-review
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Jul 21, 2012 20:16
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No diesel in the wagon, lame.
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Jul 21, 2012 20:41
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davebo posted:Look at your wrongness: God drat I wish i could afford $70,000. That to me is pretty much the perfect vehicle. Available with stick too. Sucks there aren't very many used examples yet since I believe to get one a person has to order it. Meaning they arent just sitting around on the lots. Maybe the ATS-V will be awesome and will end up being more in my price range. Maybe one day that will get a wagon option too. A boy can dream.
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Jul 21, 2012 20:52
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davebo posted:Look at your wrongness: I'm not seeing Bovril Delight's wrongness in this picture.
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Jul 21, 2012 21:59
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I think the CTS-V sportwagons look better in person. I wasn't a huge fan until my friend got one in Black Diamond Tricoat with the yellow calipers. Looks pretty hot.
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Jul 22, 2012 04:33
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I saw a blacked-out CTS-V today. Same Black Diamond tricoat. I really don't think I've ever wanted a Caddy so bad before.
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Jul 22, 2012 06:09
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We must all have seen the same one, I saw one with exactly those deatures and yellow calipers a while back too, sounded pretty mean. I don't like the sedan or coupe much especially the rear end but the wagon is just right.
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Jul 22, 2012 06:18
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davebo posted:Look at your wrongness: That photo cleverly obscures the worst part of the car.
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Jul 22, 2012 13:57
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I just got a flyer in the mail for the new Fords. What did they due to the Escape? The stupid crossover look? I hate the loss of space in the back from that tapered shape. I will drive to the airport and everything fits fine in the 08 escape, the rental car will look like the new one and it doesn't fit... I guess we will have to look for a 11 or 12 coming off a lease when we upgrade...so disappointing that it is looking like everything else...
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Jul 23, 2012 02:18
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sanchez posted:That photo cleverly obscures the worst part of the car. No, I can still see some of the exterior.
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Jul 23, 2012 07:35
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The CTS-V coupe and wagon are great looking in person, but the coolness of them only slightly overcomes the ugly. A base CTS sedan is really loving bad looking. Edge styling looks great if you have a long hood and short deck, but basically ruins every other car.
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Jul 23, 2012 13:05
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spwrozek posted:I just got a flyer in the mail for the new Fords. What did they due to the Escape? The stupid crossover look? I hate the loss of space in the back from that tapered shape. I will drive to the airport and everything fits fine in the 08 escape, the rental car will look like the new one and it doesn't fit... I thought I was the only one that thought this... and I think it about the new Explorer too. Attention Ford: you already have crossovers for the people that want them. Kindly leave the SUVs alone for people that want SUVs.
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Jul 23, 2012 16:07
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PT6A posted:I thought I was the only one that thought this... and I think it about the new Explorer too. Attention Ford: you already have crossovers for the people that want them. Kindly leave the SUVs alone for people that want SUVs. You could still get an Expedition!  In other news, Kia confirmed the design of the next Forte: http://www.autoblog.com/2012/07/23/kia-releases-sketches-of-next-generation-forte/ And it's just like the Optima but more raked.
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Jul 23, 2012 16:53
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discstickers posted:Where did you hear this? Mine's an ST3 too. quote:Hi Everyone - I know there are a lot of questions out there about the ST3 package. Here's the deal, HID headlamps will now be offered as late availability. For now, all dealer stock orders for ST3 that were scheduled were updated to base ST, ST2 or were canceled. Nothing has been done to any of your ST3 retail orders until we sort out the timing for HIDs. Most of Ford engineering and manufacturing shuts down the week of July 4th, so I will not learn anything new until this coming week. I, too, took a couple of days off last week so I apologize for being off the grid! - Lisa Schoder Focus ST US Brand Manager
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Jul 23, 2012 17:09
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Endless Mike posted:From the Ford ST Facebook page. I can't figure out how to direct link the post, but here it is: I went searching around and saw that 
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Jul 24, 2012 05:48
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Mazda has been throwing out teasers of the 2014 6 for the last week or so, and some less obfuscating shots have come out today. I really wish they'd bring the wagon back to the States, it would be on my list when the time comes for a new car.
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Jul 25, 2012 15:39
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Pseudonym posted:Mazda has been throwing out teasers of the 2014 6 for the last week or so, and some less obfuscating shots have come out today. I really wish they'd bring the wagon back to the States, it would be on my list when the time comes for a new car. From what I've read it sounds like they're planning on using the same Skyactiv 2.0 engine in the 6 that's in the CX-5 and the 3. I hope that's not the case because that engine is pretty sluggish in the CX-5 and I imagine the 6 will be comparable in weight.
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Jul 25, 2012 18:58
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The 3 still has the 2.5L on their higher-end models, right, or is Mazda planning to phase them out with the next generation? If not, I don't see why there'd only be the one engine available for the 6. I hope, anyway.
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Jul 25, 2012 20:13
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Pseudonym posted:The 3 still has the 2.5L on their higher-end models, right, or is Mazda planning to phase them out with the next generation? If not, I don't see why there'd only be the one engine available for the 6. I hope, anyway. Yeah, they still offer the 2.5L, but the correct engine is the 2.3L turbo anyway. 
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Jul 25, 2012 20:25
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discstickers posted:Where did you hear this? Mine's an ST3 too. I'm seriously considering this car to replace my 2004 Civic Si. I haven't got to sit in one yet or drive it, or really anything other than read the pretty much unanimously glowing reviews of it. I'm curious why you guys are going with the ST3 version. Is it the HID lights?
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Jul 25, 2012 22:06
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I absolutely love the front of the new 6. The rear isn't bad but it looks a lot like a Sonata or ES. I can see some Millenia in it though.
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Jul 25, 2012 22:13
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I love it. I'd do pretty much anything reasonable for a Speed variant but I know that's a pipe dream.
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Jul 25, 2012 22:42
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If it doesn't grow in size (doubtful) like the second gen did, the msp6 will be the best sports sedan this side of the CTS-V. That's saying a lot too since the new Fusion is shaping up to be great as well.
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Jul 25, 2012 22:48
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travisray2004 posted:That's saying a lot too since the new Fusion is shaping up to be great as well. Speaking of the new Fusion, Ford has a new configuration page up on their website. The one I priced came out to $25,745. 1.6L ecoboost with the manual transmission, 18inch wheels, leather wrapped steering wheel and fog lights. And best of all...  Look! Cloth seats, an actual tachometer (I'm just assuming as opposed to a representation of one on an LCD), and buttons! No horrible MyFord Touch. Just the way I want it. The 2.0 liter adds $1,000 dollars to that price and a lot more power but it is automatic only, and the 1.6 is supposed to be rated at 26city/37hwy. http://www.ebaymotorsblog.com/2013-ford-fusion/
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Jul 25, 2012 23:25
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I just want a turbo AWD sedan with a 6 speed that isn't a Subaru, is that so much to ask?
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Jul 25, 2012 23:28
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Rhyno posted:I just want a turbo AWD sedan with a 6 speed that isn't a Subaru, is that so much to ask? The BMW 328/335i X-drive should be out real soon. It will only cost you roughly twice as much as a Subaru. 
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Jul 25, 2012 23:41
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SouthLAnd posted:The BMW 328/335i X-drive should be out real soon. It will only cost you roughly twice as much as a Subaru. X-drives are all autos are they not?
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Jul 25, 2012 23:46
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D C posted:X-drives are all autos are they not?
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Jul 25, 2012 23:48
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D C posted:X-drives are all autos are they not? They made some manuals but they're pretty rare.
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Jul 26, 2012 00:35
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D C posted:X-drives are all autos are they not? Typically you had to specifically order one and wait the 6-8 weeks but you could get a 6sp.
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Jul 26, 2012 00:53
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Eh, it might depend on the location, 335/535xis in manual are not the majority but they're pretty easy to find if you look nationally. You have to remember BMW sells a shitload of cars in total - the 5 series outsells both the Legacy and the Impreza for example, and BMW drivers do tend to buy manuals more than other marques. You can even get the 550i with a 6 speed and I've seen them for sale used. I bet the number of manual 335xi is pretty high versus, say, the total number of manual Legacy GTs.
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Jul 26, 2012 01:05
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That's probably true, but the build mix was pretty low. The absolute count, like you said, is probably pretty good due to BMW doing 100-120K 3-series per year. Even if any given year was only a 2% mix on the 335i X-Drive, that's 2K+ cars/MY which isn't that scarce. I wonder what the actual build mix was.
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Jul 26, 2012 02:08
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News about a truck. From the looks of some shots Autoblog posted, the 2014 Silverado will still have a bench seat and column shifter. I don't foresee myself buying one, but I'm pretty chuffed that the bench seat still exists.
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Jul 26, 2012 02:17
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Not so much car news, but more along the lines of car-testing news: The Nurburgring is essentially bankrupt. I'm sure James May is off somewhere dancing a dance of pure joy.
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Jul 26, 2012 02:32
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SouthLAnd posted:Look! Cloth seats What's wrong with leather or partial leather?
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Jul 26, 2012 03:19
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KozmoNaut posted:What's wrong with leather or partial leather? Leather, especially cheap leather, is cold in the winter, hot in the summer, wears poorly, and gives you sweaty rear end.
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Jul 26, 2012 03:24
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Rhyno posted:I just want a turbo AWD sedan with a 6 speed that isn't a Subaru, is that so much to ask? Your local Audi dealer would love to sell you an A4.
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Jul 26, 2012 03:45
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KozmoNaut posted:What's wrong with leather or partial leather? Everything?
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Zorak of Michigan posted:Your local Audi dealer would love to sell you an A4. I was unaware that they offered that option to be honest. I just did a quick equip on one and priced a new one out at $45K. Quite a bit higher than the $28K my MS6 went for new. Also not a huge fan of Audi styling. I keep holding out hope that Ford will release a Fusion with the options I want.
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