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Bugblatter posted:The only review I checked out was the one from /Film... but yeeeeeah, that was uncomfortable. The euphoria with which they repeatedly said variations of "You see so many people DYING in so many creative ways!!!" without any sort of self-awareness was really unsettling. I would much rather see less death in a Judge Dredd film. Maybe he can take the helmet off. Have a love interest. Hey! Let's get some comic relief in this movie, I know the perfect guy. This movie is going to be a hit and with all that psychopathic murder gone, we'll get our target audience. Teenagers and people who have never read the comic.
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Mouser.. posted:I would much rather see less death in a Judge Dredd film. Maybe he can take the helmet off. Have a love interest. Hey! Let's get some comic relief in this movie, I know the perfect guy. This movie is going to be a hit and with all that psychopathic murder gone, we'll get our target audience. Teenagers and people who have never read the comic. They should also hire someone with barely speaks english.
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Mouser.. posted:I would much rather see less death in a Judge Dredd film. Maybe he can take the helmet off. Have a love interest. Hey! Let's get some comic relief in this movie, I know the perfect guy. Rob Schneider, derp dee derp! Derp dee derpittee derpee derp!
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Mouser.. posted:I would much rather see less death in a Judge Dredd film. Maybe he can take the helmet off. Have a love interest. Hey! Let's get some comic relief in this movie, I know the perfect guy. This movie is going to be a hit and with all that psychopathic murder gone, we'll get our target audience. Teenagers and people who have never read the comic. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be violence in a Dredd film. Obviously there will be a large body count. I'm just specifying that the depiction of violence should be satirical and subversive. The comics depict violence, but they do so in a satirical fashion. They don't openly glorify it. Even if they did, that wouldn't excuse the film.
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Jul 26, 2012 22:39
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Bugblatter posted:I'm not saying that there shouldn't be violence in a Dredd film. Obviously there will be a large body count. I'm just specifying that the depiction of violence should be satirical and subversive. The comics depict violence, but they do so in a satirical fashion. They don't openly glorify it. Even if they did, that wouldn't excuse the film. Sure it would. It's not like the trailer is depicting it to be something that it's not. The most recent Rambo had gritty violence in it and Stallone made it very clear that is because Burma is a loving brutal place and he wanted the images to resonate throughout. 2000AD is a loving brutal universe. Judge Dredd already got a heavily sanitized version that tanked. Despite the violence, I seriously doubt that Judge Dredd stops in the movie for a high five with his partner to state how he's so happy to be killing. Although, I wouldn't be adverse to a freeze frame jumping high-five to close out the movie.
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Jul 26, 2012 23:11
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Bugblatter posted:The comics depict violence, but they do so in a satirical fashion. They don't openly glorify it.  , while the Chopper story where he competed in the Mega-City Two Supersurf was basically carnage porn - "How many ways can we see human bodies ripped apart in lovingly painted detail?"And let's not even start on when Garth Ennis and his pals took over as writers from Wagner and Grant. That whole period was just "Tee hee, look at how transgressive we are with our gratuitous ultraviolence!" Small Strange Bird fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Jul 26, 2012 |
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Jul 26, 2012 23:19
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Mouser.. posted:Sure it would. It's not like the trailer is depicting it to be something that it's not. The most recent Rambo had gritty violence in it and Stallone made it very clear that is because Burma is a loving brutal place and he wanted the images to resonate throughout. 2000AD is a loving brutal universe. Judge Dredd already got a heavily sanitized version that tanked. Despite the violence, I seriously doubt that Judge Dredd stops in the movie for a high five with his partner to state how he's so happy to be killing. Although, I wouldn't be adverse to a freeze frame jumping high-five to close out the movie. To clarify, my complaint with the /Film guys is that they seem to have a hard-on for watching people do gratuitously, and I'm hoping that the film itself doesn't portray violence in such a pornographic fashion. If it's subverted, satiric, or even just used to illustrate the brutality of the dystopian universe, fine. If it's just there because watching people die horribly is "fun" ...well that's hosed up, and a precedence in the comics wouldn't make it any less hosed up. Payndz posted:Weeeeell, that does depend on the story and the writer (and even the artist). A lot of the violence isn't so much satirical as blackly comic, such as just about anything the Angels ever did, most of PJ Maybe's killings, and even the Dark Judges when they slipped from horror to wacky through overuse. And it's hard to see something like Dredd killing Junior Angel as anything other than "gently caress yeah, Dredd threw that guy into a loving volcano!" Ah, I haven't read more than a handful of arcs in this particular series. It sounds like I would find Garth Ennis' take on the franchise rather reprehensible.
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Jul 26, 2012 23:47
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Bugblatter posted:Ah, I haven't read more than a handful of arcs in this particular series. It sounds like I would find Garth Ennis' take on the franchise rather reprehensible. Have you read anything else of Ennis' work? Compared to Preacher or The Boys his work on Dredd was rather more on the comedic side rather than ultra-graphic violence.
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Nah, my comic book exposure is pretty slim, exactly because of the excessive juvenile violence, misogyny, and the like. There's just a handful of artists I've really gotten into (Moebius, Otomo, Mignola, McCay).
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Bugblatter posted:Nah, my comic book exposure is pretty slim, exactly because of the excessive juvenile violence, misogyny, and the like. There's just a handful of artists I've really gotten into (Moebius, Otomo, Mignola, McCay).
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achillesforever6 posted:Ever read The Sandman? Yeah, and Watchmen and probably a few other "major" entries in the genre that I'm forgetting. Why?
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Payndz posted:Weeeeell, that does depend on the story and the writer (and even the artist). A lot of the violence isn't so much satirical as blackly comic, such as just about anything the Angels ever did, most of PJ Maybe's killings, and even the Dark Judges when they slipped from horror to wacky through overuse. And it's hard to see something like Dredd killing Junior Angel as anything other than "gently caress yeah, Dredd threw that guy into a loving volcano!" I haven't seen the film itself yet, but between this and the 3D clip with all the face-shootings, it makes me wonder if Dredd's idea of "nonlethal force" could just be "shoot the living gently caress out of perps, but don't kill them unless they're still an active and credible threat to you". Hey, as long as they have a good chance of living through the ordeal to serve their sentence then justice is served, right?  That could satisfy both satirical and comedic ultraviolence purposes, all the loving slo-mo images highlighting how horribly grotesque and mutilating, yet calculatingly non-fatal, his shots are unless someone's actually about to directly harm him.
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Bugblatter posted:To clarify, my complaint with the /Film guys is that they seem to have a hard-on for watching people do gratuitously, and I'm hoping that the film itself doesn't portray violence in such a pornographic fashion. If it's subverted, satiric, or even just used to illustrate the brutality of the dystopian universe, fine. If it's just there because watching people die horribly is "fun" ...well that's hosed up, and a precedence in the comics wouldn't make it any less hosed up. You'd really enjoy the August Underground films.
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Jose Mengelez posted:You'd really enjoy the August Underground films. Yeah, ultrahardcore horror flicks that are supposed to simulate a serial killer's home movies, complete with rape, necrophilia, and mutilation, sound exactly like a thing this dude would like. Don't be a dick. This isn't even a good joke, it's just asinine. Flatscan posted:Have you read anything else of Ennis' work? Compared to Preacher or The Boys his work on Dredd was rather more on the comedic side rather than ultra-graphic violence. The ultraviolence in The Boys is part of the whole "this is what would really happen if there were superheroes" thing that's at the core of the series. His Punisher MAX stuff on the other hand... BENGHAZI 2 fucked around with this message at 08:27 on Jul 27, 2012 |
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Dickeye posted:Yeah, ultrahardcore horror flicks that are supposed to simulate a serial killer's home movies, complete with rape, necrophilia, and mutilation, sound exactly like a thing this dude would like. ...yeah, really glad I didn't google that out of curiosity.
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The violence would be more palatable if they could add a slide whistle effect and wilhelm scream whilst scrolling the word "SATIRE" along the bottom of the screen.
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Jose Mengelez posted:The violence would be more palatable if they could add a slide whistle effect and wilhelm scream whilst scrolling the word "SATIRE" along the bottom of the screen.
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Jose Mengelez posted:The violence would be more palatable if they could add a slide whistle effect and wilhelm scream whilst scrolling the word "SATIRE" along the bottom of the screen. Yeah man finding satirical violence more palatable than just plain ol' violence for violence's sake is really a crazy idea.
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Bugblatter posted:Ah, I haven't read more than a handful of arcs in this particular series. It sounds like I would find Garth Ennis' take on the franchise rather reprehensible. Ennis is pretty much a low-rent Frank Miller. They are both teenage boys, but at least Miller has style. People rave about Preacher, but it reminded me of Kevin Smiths Dogma; some fun ideas drowned in dick-and-fart jokes.
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e: I'm not doing a comic book rant in here, but seriously what the poo poo? Frank Miller? Style? What was the last thing you read by the guy?
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Dickeye posted:e: I'm not doing a comic book rant in here, but seriously what the poo poo? Frank Miller? Style? What was the last thing you read by the guy? Everything he did up to Dark Knight Strikes Again is plenty stylish, even if he did go insane after 9/11. 
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WickedIcon posted:Everything he did up to Dark Knight Strikes Again is plenty stylish, even if he did go insane after 9/11. A lot of Sin City is pretty bad. The only exception I can make is That Yellow Bastard because it's the only one that really "gets" noir.
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Sin City may be mostly garbage but you can't exactly call it ugly garbage. Like I said, he didn't start getting lazy on the visual aspects until DKSA and post-9/11.
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WickedIcon posted:Sin City may be mostly garbage but you can't exactly call it ugly garbage. Like I said, he didn't start getting lazy on the visual aspects until DKSA and post-9/11. Well now we're getting into a whole other thing since Ennis doesn't do art.
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Perhaps I'm thinking of "style" in a different sense than what either of you are, then, in which case disregard that I'm dumb.
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Based on the trailer, what with Urban's Batman/Rorschach voice, and the idea of slow-motion plaguing society as an addictive narcotic, and from what people are saying about the violence, I don't see how this can't be hugely satirical of the current state of comic book movies. However, though I don't know the comics well at all, I always assumed Dredd was more political commentary rather than weird self-satire like what I'm seeing. So I don't know how that shift or whatever is gonna translate.Jose Mengelez posted:You'd really enjoy the August Underground films. I'm really, really mad at you for bringing the existence of this to my attention.
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Martin Van Buren posted:Based on the trailer, what with Urban's Batman/Rorschach voice, and the idea of slow-motion plaguing society as an addictive narcotic, and from what people are saying about the violence, I don't see how this can't be hugely satirical of the current state of comic book movies. However, though I don't know the comics well at all, I always assumed Dredd was more political commentary rather than weird self-satire like what I'm seeing. So I don't know how that shift or whatever is gonna translate. It is satire in all forms 
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Jose Mengelez posted:The violence would be more palatable if they could add a slide whistle effect and wilhelm scream whilst scrolling the word "SATIRE" along the bottom of the screen. Dickeye posted:Yeah man finding satirical violence more palatable than just plain ol' violence for violence's sake is really a crazy idea. Whoosh. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're just being obtuse.
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Jose Mengelez posted:Whoosh. I mean the alternative is that you think the violence in those movies is satirical and brother you are high as a goddamn kite if you think that. Alternately you're just really bad at saying the things you mean.
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Dickeye posted:I mean the alternative is that you think the violence in those movies is satirical and brother you are high as a goddamn kite if you think that. I'm talking about Dredd not august underground. I'm not that loving mental.
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Martin Van Buren posted:Based on the trailer, what with Urban's Batman/Rorschach voice, and the idea of slow-motion plaguing society as an addictive narcotic, and from what people are saying about the violence, I don't see how this can't be hugely satirical of the current state of comic book movies. However, though I don't know the comics well at all, I always assumed Dredd was more political commentary rather than weird self-satire like what I'm seeing. So I don't know how that shift or whatever is gonna translate.
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Jose Mengelez posted:You'd really enjoy the August Underground films. Jesus christ dude gently caress, why did I look look that poo poo up
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bobkatt013 posted:It is satire in all forms I'm sad that 2000 AD had to omit this storyline from the Judge Dredd Case Files collection. 
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ZeeBoi posted:I'm sad that 2000 AD had to omit this storyline from the Judge Dredd Case Files collection. They can never reprint it again since if they do they will be sued.
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bobkatt013 posted:They can never reprint it again since if they do they will be sued. Given McDonald's extremely litigious history (the McLibel case comes to mind), I'm not surprised.
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When 2000AD did their first round of Dredd reprints (The Law In Order, back in the 90s), they did text recaps of 'Burger Wars' and 'Giants Aren't Gentlemen' to explain why there were missing episodes - and they changed the name Ronald MacDonald to Donald MacRonald to make sure they didn't have McDonald's leaning on them again, even 15 years after the fact. (They also avoided naming any of the corporate mascots directly.)
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Couldn't they reprint it with the names changed? Like, I thought satire was protected speech?
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I did a quick search and it seems they in fact did get sued by McDonalds and whatever company it is that owns Jolly Green Giant and never printing the offending pages again was part of the settlement.
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Vagabundo posted:I did a quick search and it seems they in fact did get sued by McDonalds and whatever company it is that owns Jolly Green Giant and never printing the offending pages again was part of the settlement. Which I suppose means that the Jolly Green Giant is technically part of Dredd canon.
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