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Oh god, so many interesting little things. It's hard to know where to start! I guess this helps push Lord English into a personal threat to the players. He was a little too distant and abstract up to this point, but now Dave has seen him personally erasing the dead by the dozen. Dave in particular's likely to take issue with that. Hopefully he will, publicly, and with force, so the main characters can start to get worked up about fighting the main villain.[/spoiler It's still pretty unclear [spoiler]why he does what he does, but at least we're getting more of what he does and a little bit of how Caliborn became him. Still, why is he destroying the dream bubbles (and presumably the horror-terrors with them)? What threat did they pose to him? Who among the dead will survive this cull? What, if anything, can the players do to stop it? Maybe PM and Bec Noir will have to fight some eternal battle with Lord English to pin him in place, or maybe they're about to drop. I'm quite curious if chewing off his leg was meant to be enough for Caliborn to escape Calliope and bury her inside himself. If so, Lord English might still have Calliope inside him and switching him to the other personality will probably be important at some point. How much does Caliborn know about the game? How did he learn it? Where did this clever plan of his come from, to put a dying star/black hole into his kernel sprite? So many questions! edit: Spoiler'd since I'm a the top of the page. Dolash fucked around with this message at 12:59 on Jul 28, 2012 |
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So we've seen 4 people who use wands. Rose, who uses grimdark horrorterror majyyks, Eridan who uses white
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Jul 28, 2012 12:58
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You know, I think this is the first time that LE has come across as genuinely unsettling/scary/monstrous for me. When the initial LE reveal happened and we found out what he looked like, I was pretty meh about it. He was just kind of too...silly? Over the top? To really come across as the genuinely monstrous entity the comic had built him up to be. This on the other hand conveyed that really well. Also, didn't Doc Scratch say that LE was something paradox space accounted for? A "known quantity." That doesn't look like accounting for.
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Jul 28, 2012 13:02
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Reene posted:You know, I think this is the first time that LE has come across as genuinely unsettling/scary/monstrous for me. Why not? Consider that we've only seen human and troll players in the dream bubbles. If Lord English passed through many universes on his way from his original one to these, he would likely have to scrub any remnants of past sessions clean from paradox space (including dream bubbles and the dead in them, assuming horror-terrors took the risk of glubbing them up for some group of players). Imagine that Lord English is merely the force that cleans up old universes after new ones are created. He destroys them, or ensures their destruction, leaving nothing behind (not even the dead) and then moves on to the next universe. Seems to fit in with the whole circle of life, destruction/creation theme at work here. Maybe paradox space wants him to do what he does, because he keeps the multiverse from getting overcrowded? Paradox space is only really meant to play host to the creators of the next universe, once it's created it has no use for them. Now obviously this is very evil from an individual's perspective - Dave, for example, just watched dozens of versions of his friends (and several of himself, which he is especially sensitive about) get destroyed by a big green Cal-looking monster. He's not going to think "circle of life", he's going to think "boss fight".
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Slime posted:So we've seen 4 people who use wands. Rose, who uses grimdark horrorterror majyyks, Eridan who uses white I was under the impression that the wand lord english was using is the same one as the cueball gun, and that it was object duality. When LE killed hussie he took the weapon from him and left - but re-reading that section, the gun and the wand are cearly two seperate items. First hussie disarms himself of the gun, and then pulls the wand out of his pocket. Reene posted:Also, didn't Doc Scratch say that LE was something paradox space accounted for? A "known quantity." Yeah I thought this for ages, I assumed that he was a game construct - my theory was that, once a game of sburb had been completed and the players had moved on to live in the new world they created, sburb uninstalls itself as it is no longer needed. LE would have been like a space cleanup, eating the empty game session so paradox space doesnt get cluttered with the abandoned sessions. Of course, the events of cascade blew this out of the water, so now i don't know how LE could be linked to sburb... Edit: one theory as for a sburb / english link. we don't know how sburb was created, but we do have one character who loves to make games for others to play... and then kill them. We could be overthinking this whole thing - caliborn could have created a system that provides him with unlimited people to gently caress with and kill. a never ending string of different people and species, over and over again, playing the same game, and then getting eaten by lord english. Rooreelooo fucked around with this message at 13:23 on Jul 28, 2012 |
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Jul 28, 2012 13:13
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Reene posted:Also, didn't Doc Scratch say that LE was something paradox space accounted for? A "known quantity." It's been well-established that Doc Scratch is a loving liar. LE is a known quantity in paradox space in the same way that a calamitous horseporn virus is a known quantity in your hard drive.
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It would be one thing if he simply obliterated the bubble and everyone in it. I had the same thought myself way back when that LE was just Sburb/paradox space's way of cleaning up after the nigh-endless dead sessions and universes left behind by old players. But that's not what happened here. The aftermath of his doing that was a literal wound in paradox space. That doesn't look like cleaning up at all. It looks like he's breaking the metaverse. I'm also trying to figure out how the green sun factors into everything. It seems likely based on Calliope's drawing that it gets sucked up at some point too, but what that means is as yet unclear.
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Jul 28, 2012 13:18
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Well, that was a series of things happening, yes it was.
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The planet is dead, so the kernelsprite absorbs it. The sun is dying, so the kernelsprite starts to absorb it. If he is killing Paradox Space itself by devouring/destroying dream bubbles... 
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Jul 28, 2012 13:28
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Was the only character from a not doomed timeline to be vaporized Equius? It seemed like all the other dream ghosts were from aborted timelines - Various God Tiers, two Daves, a John and a buncha robots.
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Reene posted:It would be one thing if he simply obliterated the bubble and everyone in it. I had the same thought myself way back when that LE was just Sburb/paradox space's way of cleaning up after the nigh-endless dead sessions and universes left behind by old players. The green sun is the dying red sun that's slowly getting prototyped by LE's kernelsprite. At some point he presumably adds something else to it to make it a) green, and b) an immortal icon of evil.
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Jul 28, 2012 13:37
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Hooooooooooooly poo poo.  Also, I think we should be worried for Hussie. He's gone on to the next step, killing characters that are already dead! 
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Thundarr posted:The planet is dead, so the kernelsprite absorbs it. But if we go by the destruction/creation theme, then maybe that Paradox Space prototyped kernelsprite will mean a whole shitload of Paradox Space prototyped monsters. Maybe paradox space is spawning children. Lots of organisms die after procreating, after all. Edit: Huh, right at the end of the flash it very quietly plays a little bit of Savior Of The Waking World/Dreaming Dead. Slime fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Jul 28, 2012 |
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Oxxidation posted:It's been well-established that Doc Scratch is a loving liar.
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Reene posted:You know, I think this is the first time that LE has come across as genuinely unsettling/scary/monstrous for me. WAR FOOT posted:Was the only character from a not doomed timeline to be vaporized Equius? It seemed like all the other dream ghosts were from aborted timelines - Various God Tiers, two Daves, a John and a buncha robots.
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I kind of hope this means that Jack and PM team up with the kids now they've seen what English can do. That'd be kind of neat. The ultimate duel for Jack. e: Also, I love how he just loving devours his leg the second he wakes up. He knew nothing could go wrong that day. Saradiart fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Jul 28, 2012 |
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Jul 28, 2012 14:47
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I'm just wondering what it means that the player home in this case -- the whole asteroid -- got swallowed by the black hole kernelsprite. It is apparently how Caliborn makes his entry, instead of bothering with the entry item. It starts by absorbing rocks and lovely jpeg statues, without affecting Caliborn, the Cruxtruder, or anything else from meteor station. Then meteor station is whitened out and swallowed; then the whole planet follows soon after.
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Welp, if Lord English just straight-up annihilates dream bubbles and dead / beta timeline players, that certainly puts a ton of tension back in the story and makes it very clear why staying in the Alpha timeline is the most important thing in the story. And I want that music. I want it so bad.
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Saradiart posted:I kind of hope this means that Jack and PM team up with the kids now they've seen what English can do. It would be great if jack fought against lord English, because he could team up with spades slick. Even funnier if caliburn still had the jack from his session under employment. Jack & jack vs jack
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I guess there's somewhat of a question as to if Caliborn got himself prototyped during entry or not there, and I could see it going either way, but consider: -He obviously breaks the gently caress out of his game in order to become Lord English -Self prototyping is possible -All sprites have a beam attack; we've seen it with Nannasprite and Calsprite and Becsprite. Guess who was just revealed to have a beam attack? The beam attack seals the deal for me, I think he did get self-prototyped. Combining with some of the energy from a dying sun might also explain some of LE's special powers.
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TheDemon posted:I guess there's somewhat of a question as to if Caliborn got himself prototyped during entry or not there, and I could see it going either way, but consider: Considering he flashes through an array of colours just like John's blood did when he had a god tier resurrection, and when he entered the dream bubble he landed on a dream-copy of Dave's quest bed, he might be a self-prototyped sprite gone God-Tier. Possibly he further prototyped with a First Guardian, which would explain the Space powers. Adding an entire planet and it's sun to the prototyping mix? Who knows what the gently caress kind of power that would grant him?
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Waffnuffly posted:Welp, if Lord English just straight-up annihilates dream bubbles and dead / beta timeline players, that certainly puts a ton of tension back in the story and makes it very clear why staying in the Alpha timeline is the most important thing in the story. *Lord English opens his maw, disgorging six months worth of chiptunes before we get this track and a completed take of Spider's Claw* *thread disintegrates into skeletons*
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Snollygoster posted:Gigyas was the first thing I thought of when I saw the accretion disk from the black hole and the red sun. I'm glad I'm not the only one, that made me even uneasier than the whole flash already made me. I'M SO EXCITED FOR A PROPER THREATENING VILLAIN, GUYS.
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Slime posted:Considering he flashes through an array of colours just like John's blood did when he had a god tier resurrection, and when he entered the dream bubble he landed on a dream-copy of Dave's quest bed, he might be a self-prototyped sprite gone God-Tier. Possibly he further prototyped with a First Guardian, which would explain the Space powers. Adding an entire planet and it's sun to the prototyping mix? Who knows what the gently caress kind of power that would grant him? He probably prototypes with Calliope after he kills her to take her powers. He did threaten to kill her twice.
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I love Caliborn zenning the gently caress out as the black hole grows behind him. He seems to just be having such a good day.
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voting third party posted:He probably prototypes with Calliope after he kills her to take her powers. He did threaten to kill her twice. That makes perfect sense.
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Jesus christ, for getting saddled with a god tier costume like that, the Page class had better be a real freakin' game changer.
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I wonder if the dead dream bubble inhabitants go to a regular, non players-only afterlife? That would be pretty  .
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Pessimism posted:I wonder if the dead dream bubble inhabitants go to a regular, non players-only afterlife? That would be pretty Nah, they're gone forever. It's the only way to give English's actions any sense of menace.
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What would happen if dead Hussie died I think the biggest impact for me about this whole reveal is that the main antagonist is a player just like everyone else. A big, fat, powergaming, cheating player. I know that was obvious before, but it really hit home here. Futaba Anzu fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Jul 28, 2012 |
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I think the best part of this update is the sheer absurdity of a black hole pulling in hundreds of lovely artifacted Statues of Liberty.
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So I found something
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Ok, so Caliborn prototyped a dying planet and sun? I would laugh if all of paradox space we've seen so far is just one universe-prototyped Imp that LE has been trying to kill for Grist.
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Oh by the way, Equius is totally fine guys. Breaking things is like his whole gimmick, plus the dream bubble got reduced to a void! Totally fine.
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Amazing flash. I really like the music, it gave me goosebumps, especially the part where the kernel sprite becomes the black hole and starts pulling everything in, that section was just incredible. I am glad that LE has been fleshed out a bit as a villain. Obliterating the dream bubbles, their inhabitants and the horrorterrors really puts him solidly in horrific villain territory. Anyone else struck by the animation of the dead players being vaporised? I thought it was a really striking and sad series of images. Also, since this flash is named [S] Caliborn: Enter. does that mean we still have the EoA6.3 flash coming up? After all there were no curtains or anything closing.
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So at the end of it all, Homestuck is just a great big yogurt advertisement. That is just priceless.
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Slime posted:It was a tilde followed by a red U. ~ath is til death. ~U is...tildeu?
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What the hell. Anyway, I think simple self-prototyping has problems as a theory. This just doesn't seem to match the prototyping we've seen before. I mean, the simplest objection is that it absorbed a statue before anything else. Why wouldn't it just prototype that? It never even touched anything, just started sucking things up. We've never seen multiple entities be used in a single prototype (well, maybe Tavriska, but that looked more like two consecutive prototypes). Lord English doesn't seem to have any planet-properties. And, of course, he doesn't have a ghost tail, so there's that. It's really hard to tell what's going on here, but I have a couple of ideas. The first and simplest is that the game got confused and released two kernelsprites. Since they were released at the same time, they occupied the same space (thus the flashing between green and red) and so tried to prototype each other. This ripped a hole in space and time, sucking in everything around it, and destroyed Caliborn along with everything else. However, he'd already set his dream self up on the crypt in the middle of Derse, so his dream self went god tier - note the snatch of Savior of the Waking World at the end, usually associated with that ascension. That's how he gained his first batch of power, although there must have been more after that. The second idea is much less likely and not really supported, but it'd be a great lovely twist: Caliborn did self-prototype, but the important thing is that he prototyped pre-entry. Lord English isn't Caliborn, he's Jack wearing a Caliborn-prototyped ring (perhaps the top of the peg-leg). That's why he just goes around destroying everything, then sets up a gang when he gets bored. fake edit: ~U is "til deu"dly firearm, obviously.  real edit: Wait, him going god tier like that would need his dream self to die. On the other hand, a screwed-up prototyping with consequences as shown could well destroy Prospit and Derse as well. Zandar fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Jul 28, 2012 |
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Allstone posted:I guess you could say deu is sort of phonetically similar to french for god, but that's sort of stretching it a bit, I'd say. You lose the "yod" sound in "dieu", so it's closer to "deux". Which can easily be made to fit thematically with uu, what with the two u, the uu/UU duality, the object duality of his weapons, etc. But I don't think that'd be any deliberate decision from Hu(u)ssie. More likely, the ~U counter evokes the ~ATH language and its use of U to mean "universe", that signifies the entry is set to happen once the universe dies (~U -> ~ATH(U)); kinda like in C++ the destructor is prefixed with a tilde. "Destructor" is certainly a title that'd fit uu. And I agree with those people saying he self-prototyped somehow in his kernhellsprite: sprites have beam attacks, and when he's firing his laz0rs it seems like he's using an overpowered sprite beam. Maybe the wand was to cast a magnifying spell on his attack?
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Do you guys remember this? The next tier is "Pimpslayer"
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