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bobkatt013 posted:DC Entertainment Co-Publishers Jim Lee and Dan DiDio added, “As accomplished as Neil Gaiman is in other media—whether it be novels, film and even music—he still has an incredible passion and love for comics. It’s exciting to have him back. J.H. Williams will be the perfect complement to Neil’s writing. He has a history of creating art that pushes the boundaries of the medium.” When I read this I imagine Didio Jim Lee and them speaking in unison. We were just talking about how JH Williams is wasted on Batwoman in the Batman thread. That's great. Edit: Will this be on the DC imprint? Office Sheep fucked around with this message at 03:20 on Jul 13, 2012 |
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I am flipping the gently caress out. This is the most insanely awesome news I've heard in some time. Not only is it Gaiman, but they got JH Williams the motherfucking Third? My excitement is uncontainable. I feel like my brain's going to blow up and rainbows of joy are going to spill out.
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Jul 13, 2012 03:41
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Office Sheep posted:When I read this I imagine Didio Jim Lee and them speaking in unison. It was announced in the Vertigo panel, so I imagine on Vertigo.
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Jul 13, 2012 03:48
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Neil probably saw "After Watchman" and decided to write the prequel before DC did it for him.
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Super excited for this, but I also hope it turns out better than Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader.
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Jul 13, 2012 05:04
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Chairman Capone posted:Super excited for this, but I also hope it turns out better than Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader. I expect so since Sandman is his baby.
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Jul 13, 2012 05:05
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bobkatt013 posted:Holy poo poo looks like this is coming for the 25th
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Jul 13, 2012 16:02
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Kull the Conqueror posted:I am flipping the gently caress out. This is the most insanely awesome news I've heard in some time. Not only is it Gaiman, but they got JH Williams the motherfucking Third? My excitement is uncontainable. I feel like my brain's going to blow up and rainbows of joy are going to spill out. Welp, this post here just made me wanna dive right into Sandman before the new material arrives next year. I can only hold off for so long. In other words, "I'll have what he's having". Question is, do I just buy the trades or splurge on the oversized omnibus hardcovers?
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Jul 13, 2012 18:44
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friendo55 posted:Welp, this post here just made me wanna dive right into Sandman before the new material arrives next year. I can only hold off for so long. Sweet sweet absolutes. They are worth every penny. In fact I just doing a reread a couple of days ago before the news.
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Jul 13, 2012 18:57
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One of my absolutes fellout of its binding. What should i do about that?
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Jul 13, 2012 19:20
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bobkatt013 posted:Sweet sweet absolutes. They are worth every penny. In fact I just doing a reread a couple of days ago before the news. I walk into a Chapters here in Canada and every time those books are there just staring at me. They're beautiful! So tempting - but so expensive  .
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friendo55 posted:I walk into a Chapters here in Canada and every time those books are there just staring at me. They're beautiful! So tempting - but so expensive What city do you live in? I can tell you how to get them very cheap if you are in the nova scotia.
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Office Sheep posted:What city do you live in? I can tell you how to get them very cheap if you are in the nova scotia. I'm in southern Ontario. How cheap is very cheap? Can they be shipped over here?
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Jul 13, 2012 20:40
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friendo55 posted:I'm in southern Ontario. How cheap is very cheap? Can they be shipped over here? Except the first volume, which is over $70 dollars!
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Flameingblack posted:Here's some good new for you, on Amazon they're only $16.60 per volume, which is a pretty great deal, I would think. The $17 ones are paperbacks. The $70 ones are the absolutes. I really wish I had the money to drop on getting Absolute Sandman.
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Flameingblack posted:Here's some good new for you, on Amazon they're only $16.60 per volume, which is a pretty great deal, I would think. Yea we were referring to the Absolute editions as opposed to the trade paperbacks. If i'm not mistaken, Absolute Sandman Vol.1 contains the first three trades - let alone the massive size and better presentation, etc. 3 trades @ $16.60 each compared to $73 for the absolute isn't too bad given the quality. But 5 of them...? Going in blind for $350 isn't exactly easy.
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friendo55 posted:I'm in southern Ontario. How cheap is very cheap? Can they be shipped over here? Its more of a strategy. Every year a local comic shop here has a flash ridiculus steam style sale. It could pop up whenever though so its a long wait. I grabbed them all for 50 dollars each 2 or 3 years ago. I'd look into local comic stores to see if they do something similar.
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Office Sheep posted:Its more of a strategy. Every year a local comic shop here has a flash ridiculus steam style sale. It could pop up whenever though so its a long wait. I grabbed them all for 50 dollars each 2 or 3 years ago. I'd look into local comic stores to see if they do something similar. And I just came back from my break visiting the local shop! I'm going back in Wednesday so I'll ask then. Not a bad idea at all.
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friendo55 posted:Yea we were referring to the Absolute editions as opposed to the trade paperbacks. 4 is the entire series. The fifth one is one shots and random stories
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bobkatt013 posted:4 is the entire series. The fifth one is one shots and random stories Yeah, ignore volume 5. It does have both the prose and illustrated Dream Hunters and Endless Nights, but unless you really want the crossover with Sandman Mystery Theatre you should just pick up the two TPBs and save your money.
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Jedit posted:Yeah, ignore volume 5. you should just pick up the two TPBs and save your money. Ok now I'm confused. Either get the 4 absolutes, or just get 2 trades? Which 2 trades are you referring to?
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Get the 4 absolutes, and if you want, get the two trades of the additional stuff beyond the main series instead of buying the 5th absolute.
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Kull the Conqueror posted:Get the 4 absolutes, and if you want, get the two trades of the additional stuff beyond the main series instead of buying the 5th absolute. This. Absolute v1-4 cover the full 75-issue run plus Orpheus, which is all you need. From the stuff in v5, the pick of it is The Dream Hunters and Endless Nights, both of which are available as TPBs.
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Endless nights was real bad though, after finishing The Wake, a few weeks later I got Endless Nights and was excited I got one last taste of Sandman, and it was such a huge letdown. That was about six years ago, and I've been waiting for this day since. I'm hoping this will work out better, since it's one writer(Gaiman) and one artist. And I really hope there is still crossover to the waking world and there's terrible 80s fashion and hair.
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I wanted to move my American Vampire thread discussion and accidentally moved it to the indie comic thread. And the accidentally to the Valiant thread  So I'll be moving it here instead. Lord of Nightmares was a surprising change for AV. Before, Snyder had approached vampires in a clinical sense: they weren't mythical monsters with supernatural powers but an advanced species of human (homo abominum). "Dracula" here is presented as a demonic presence akin to Castlevania. The change is sudden, but it fits given how "Dracula" is the unnamed father of the Carpathian race. I love Nguyen's art. The man draws vampires like demons which fits the theme better. The main series still maintains that scientific classification of vampires and Albuquerque draws them like feral beasts to accommodate that theme.
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Jedit posted:Yeah, ignore volume 5. It does have both the prose and illustrated Dream Hunters and Endless Nights, but unless you really want the crossover with Sandman Mystery Theatre you should just pick up the two TPBs and save your money. Out of curiosity, how was the Sandman Midnight Theatre? I'm considering picking up Neil Gaiman's Midnight Days mainly just to read it.
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Chairman Capone posted:Out of curiosity, how was the Sandman Midnight Theatre? I'm considering picking up Neil Gaiman's Midnight Days mainly just to read it. It was released as a standalone prestige format issue, but if you have cheaper/faster access to Midnight Days, that works too.
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Chairman Capone posted:Out of curiosity, how was the Sandman Midnight Theatre? I couldn't say - I didn't really want it. 
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Kull the Conqueror posted:Get the 4 absolutes, and if you want, get the two trades of the additional stuff beyond the main series instead of buying the 5th absolute. Jedit posted:This. Thanks guys.
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I've been collecting the Sandman trades and I'm up to Fables & Reflections which out of all that I have read is probably my favorite with all the interesting stories that Neil created. Plus Emperor Norton I is awesome. The prequel series has a lot of potential because there are so many stories you can make with the material.
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I just finished a readthrough of the entire series. It is the most hit and miss series I have ever read--there are several issues, like the famous "Ramadan," that I thought were pretty bad. That isn't to say that the ideas are bad--the payoff for that issue, for example, is amazing--but it is obvious that Gaiman isn't a master of comics, but rather is a great writer who ended up writing a comic for a long time. I was also surprised how often rape is used as a plot device in the first half of the series.
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I dunno about most people but I've always thought the last volume of Sandman is terrible compared to the rest. Feels like Gaiman tried to cram way too much into something already fairly lengthy.
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Quantum of Phallus posted:I dunno about most people but I've always thought the last volume of Sandman is terrible compared to the rest. Feels like Gaiman tried to cram way too much into something already fairly lengthy. I actually think quite the opposite--it has a rhythm to it that really, really workd compared to the overly-long The Kindly Ones that preceded it. What kinds of things were "crammed in" (you might want to spoiler it, I don't know.)
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Kunzelman posted:I actually think quite the opposite--it has a rhythm to it that really, really workd compared to the overly-long The Kindly Ones that preceded it. What kinds of things were "crammed in" (you might want to spoiler it, I don't know.) Ya the three stories that make up Wake really work and it is a good wrap up to the series.
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I think The Wake was superb overall with stunning and beatiful art, and in particular because of two issues: the first is the conclusion(?) of Hob Gadling's arc. The second is the final issue, which, after 74 issues of barely even beginning to understand Dream's life, we get a truly poignant glimpse into his soul, and it adds just the final dab of paint to the inspiring mural that is, to me, the greatest comic ever written.Kunzelman posted:I just finished a readthrough of the entire series. It is the most hit and miss series I have ever read--there are several issues, like the famous "Ramadan," that I thought were pretty bad. That isn't to say that the ideas are bad--the payoff for that issue, for example, is amazing--but it is obvious that Gaiman isn't a master of comics, but rather is a great writer who ended up writing a comic for a long time. You need to explain this a little more. I'm not just saying this because I disagree with you, but because I'm curious. Are you saying he's not a master of comics because there's something missing visually? Did he not direct the artists adequately enough? I'm really confused.
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I just started reading Sandman again, and from what I remember of the ending I'm still really impressed with how consistent the character is. It's really hard for a writer to have a vision that starts in page 1 and keeps going for 6 years, but Gaiman managed it. Having said that, Gaiman's writing has an overly serious quality that works for Sandman, but I'm not looking forward to the parts that don't focus on Sandman, like Game of You. One part of Sandman that I really have mixed feelings about is Hob Gadling. I loved the character when I first read it as a younger man, I loved the idea of a character that loves life so much he doesn't die, but as I reread the book as an older man I see Gaiman taking the idea too far and implying that if people die it is because they want to, and that's just insulting, and Gaiman never does anything with the idea beyond saying, 'hey, cheer up!'. Another book I was looking through recently was Y, and holy poo poo I forgot how great the art was for that. Holy poo poo.
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Kull the Conqueror posted:You need to explain this a little more. I'm not just saying this because I disagree with you, but because I'm curious. Are you saying he's not a master of comics because there's something missing visually? Did he not direct the artists adequately enough? I'm really confused. More often than not, the images feel like tacked-on parts of the narrative instead of being integral to it. There are very few moments where Sandman couldn't have been a novel or a series of short stories--my barrier for "masterful comics" is understanding the careful balance between word and image that really brings the reader in. For example, the page layouts in Watchmen show that Moore fully understands that balance and how to compress (or decompress) for dramatic effect. More often than not, I feel like Gaiman doesn't have that strong sense of what things are supposed to look like and how things are need to be structured on the page and therefore wasn't able to communicate that well to the artist. Part of this, too, might be the rolling roster of artists who worked on the series. Some of them clearly understood his style of writing and were able to go hog-wild with adaptation, but I think there is some real visual struggling throughout the series. That said, there are some issues where Gaiman is on his game and no one can touch him like when John Dee kills all of those people in the diner. The pacing and writing in that issue is amazing.
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StumblyWumbly posted:One part of Sandman that I really have mixed feelings about is Hob Gadling. I loved the character when I first read it as a younger man, I loved the idea of a character that loves life so much he doesn't die, but as I reread the book as an older man I see Gaiman taking the idea too far and implying that if people die it is because they want to, and that's just insulting, and Gaiman never does anything with the idea beyond saying, 'hey, cheer up!'. Reread the issue and pay close attention to the dialogue of the background characters in all the time periods, especially the modern versus the first.
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Mister Roboto posted:Reread the issue and pay close attention to the dialogue of the background characters in all the time periods, especially the modern versus the first. Also the whole point of the character is not that he doesn't die because he doesn't want to but Dream is a bit of a dick and due to his desire to have a friend he made him immortal. What he was saying humored him and that is why he is immortal.
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