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For all the talk about how Josh is the greatest political operative since Maybe just the times where he screwed up are more prominent in my memory and not necessarily more prevalent?
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Jul 30, 2012 00:43
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Obligatory response. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sJkM_CNqcw
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Jul 30, 2012 00:47
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Joementum posted:Obligatory response. That reverse CSI sunglasses thing is basically the best.
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Jul 30, 2012 01:03
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Joementum posted:Obligatory response. Was certain that it was going to be this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBqokPYnhhE
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Jul 30, 2012 01:32
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myron cope posted:For all the talk about how Josh is the greatest political operative since He gets Santos elected president, and he helped get Bartlet elected too. Also, there are a bunch of other victories throughout(the one that got Amy fired, fixing the Shutdown, etc.) just his fuckups are more interesting because they're fewer and far between. That's why the pilot is weirder to look back on. Bartlet would never consider firing Josh for that. Pilots get a lot of leeway for character work though.
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Jul 30, 2012 01:52
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LesterGroans posted:He gets Santos elected president, and he helped get Bartlet elected too. Also, there are a bunch of other victories throughout(the one that got Amy fired, fixing the Shutdown, etc.) just his fuckups are more interesting because they're fewer and far between. That's why the pilot is weirder to look back on. Bartlet would never consider firing Josh for that. Pilots get a lot of leeway for character work though. Seriously. Watch "In the Shadow of Two Gunmen" (the scene where Bartlet goes to the airport to see Josh) or "Two Cathedrals" ("That was my son!") and tell me the silly flap in the pilot makes any sense at all. But as you say, pilots.
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Jul 30, 2012 06:13
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I'm on Season 7 now, specifically the Santos-Vinick debate. I never watched TWW as it aired, and the video quality and the fact that the actors have stumbled a few times on their lines makes me think that NBC actually did this episode live. Is that right?
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Jul 31, 2012 02:00
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Kloaked00 posted:I'm on Season 7 now, specifically the Santos-Vinick debate. I never watched TWW as it aired, and the video quality and the fact that the actors have stumbled a few times on their lines makes me think that NBC actually did this episode live. Is that right? Yes
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Jul 31, 2012 02:02
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They actually did two different live performances. One for the EST and PST airings. And Ellen Degeneres introduced it for some reason.
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Jul 31, 2012 02:20
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On my millionth viewing, Amy Gardner's argument against prostitution isn't really working for me. She cites economic necessity as a form of coercion, and says that... oh hell, this needs quotes. AMY: I know of no little girl, and neither do you, who says "I wanna be a prostitute when I grow up." They do it 'cause they're forced to out of economic circumstances. And dire economic need is a form of coersion. And later, when Josh calls her on the issue of freedom, she really has nothing for him but a super snappy reply. JOSH: How am I not supposed to call you a hypocrite when you say that the government shouldn't tell women what to do with their bodies. AMY: Exercise some self-control, I guess. I guess what I am saying is that no little girl says they want to be a shift lead at Chili's or take a second job at Trader Joe's, and the rent is a form of economic coercion, so I just don't get her argument, which fundamentally seems to be "it's not a dream job, and people shouldn't need money". It's not that she's wrong or right, it's just horribly argued.
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Jul 31, 2012 08:23
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My favorite lovely pat argument is the one where Donna is talking to Jack Reese to about wasteful military spending and 300$ ashtrays, and he justifies them by procuring one he apparently stole and smashing with a wrench. Then he reminds her, sardonically, that sometimes submarines get hit by torpedoes or something. And, it's like, why do you need glass ashtrays at all? Go hit a piece of sheet metal with a hammer a couple times and make your own, you jackass.
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Jul 31, 2012 08:33
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Due to some earlier TV Couch thread discussion I'm watching The West Wing through from S1 (again), and kinda focusing on the acting, and can I just say it's ridiculous how emotive Richard Schiff's face is? Sure, most of the time he's emoting sadness, disappointment, frustration, or anger, but man does he emote it well. Also, this time through I don't even hate Mandy. She's just... pointless.
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Jul 31, 2012 08:36
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Eikre posted:My favorite lovely pat argument is the one where Donna is talking to Jack Reese to about wasteful military spending and 300$ ashtrays, and he justifies them by procuring one he apparently stole and smashing with a wrench. Then he reminds her, sardonically, that sometimes submarines get hit by torpedoes or something. And, it's like, why do you need glass ashtrays at all? Go hit a piece of sheet metal with a hammer a couple times and make your own, you jackass. During the space race the US spent millions producing a pen that would work in zero-gravity, the Russians used a pencil.
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BrooklynBruiser posted:Due to some earlier TV Couch thread discussion I'm watching The West Wing through from S1 (again), and kinda focusing on the acting, and can I just say it's ridiculous how emotive Richard Schiff's face is? Sure, most of the time he's emoting sadness, disappointment, frustration, or anger, but man does he emote it well. Schiff is really an amazing actor and it's a goddamned crime that he doesn't get more work than he does. Then again, he was in that flick The Infidel, and that was worth a few terrible laughs for watching Richard Schiff play a drunkard jewish cabbie. (Although I hear he's going to be in the new Superman reboot!)
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Jul 31, 2012 09:06
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Plucky Brit posted:During the space race the US spent millions producing a pen that would work in zero-gravity, the Russians used a pencil. They both used pencils, and then an independent inventor came up with a pen on his own initiative and NASA bought some from him so they wouldn't have to worry about floating graphite shorting out their electronics. king of no pants posted:Schiff is really an amazing actor and it's a goddamned crime that he doesn't get more work than he does. He was also in Burn Notice! But he has one talking scene and then they murder him~
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Jul 31, 2012 10:48
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Eikre posted:My favorite lovely pat argument is the one where Donna is talking to Jack Reese to about wasteful military spending and 300$ ashtrays, and he justifies them by procuring one he apparently stole and smashing with a wrench. Then he reminds her, sardonically, that sometimes submarines get hit by torpedoes or something. And, it's like, why do you need glass ashtrays at all? Go hit a piece of sheet metal with a hammer a couple times and make your own, you jackass. I always wondered why there were ashtrays on a submarine at all, then I found out the US Navy only banned smoking on them in 2010.
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Jul 31, 2012 11:09
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I just started watching this due to everyone in The Newsroom thread singing its praises, but I really have to say it is a lot better than I thought it would be and although I am only finishing up season 2 I find it amazing how over 10 years ago issues brought up in this show are still issues today. I also find it funny how some of the solutions to said issues have been implemented such as the public service clause to waive student loans... Amazing TV. It is also great to see actors that made it in the early episodes such as Ron Swanson.
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Jul 31, 2012 11:25
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Eikre posted:My favorite lovely pat argument is the one where Donna is talking to Jack Reese Along this line. Jack Reese is the watch commander at the White House and gets called to the situation room to do a report on  Uuuh, an hour? You get 20 minutes. Welcome to the NBA, son.then he goes up to his office and Donna, breaks an ashtray and then goes to join her at the party! What about the report, man?!
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Jul 31, 2012 15:09
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Eikre posted:He was also in Burn Notice! But he has one talking scene and then they murder him~ I'm surprised of the West Wing alumni that have guested in Psych, (Bradley's one) not one of them has made a reference. I mean, Dule Hill's right there!
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Jul 31, 2012 16:13
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Am I the only one who just did not like Toby? Cheers to whoever posted the clip of (at the risk of oversimplifying it) Josh apologising to that mean lady and the Prez coming and saving the day. That was the most comprehensible, context-explanatory clips of the show I've seen. To misquote: "Is that too high a price to pay for free speech?" "No."  TinTower posted:I'm surprised of the West Wing alumni that have guested in Psych, (Bradley's one) not one of them has made a reference. I mean, Dule Hill's right there! (I saw the pilot of Psych earlier this year, and hadn't watched West Wing in years.) VagueRant fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Jul 31, 2012 |
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Jul 31, 2012 17:18
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TinTower posted:I'm surprised of the West Wing alumni that have guested in Psych, (Bradley's one) not one of them has made a reference. I mean, Dule Hill's right there! I'm pretty sure Bradley Whitford has never been on Psych. He was on In Plain Sight, but not Psych.
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Jul 31, 2012 17:55
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I'm not sure how much input the actors have on the script, but I love when Toby repeats back what someone just said to him with different inflection, or he'll just repeat himself. "The problem is that Oakenwood thinks that the mission of the NEA is to subsidize artists in this country." "The mission of the NEA IS to subsidize artists, in this country!" And when Josh is trying to find an excuse to see Amy again. "We can't just compromise like that!" "They want us to compromise, like that." And with the poet laureate "If you stand up in the president's face that'll be the story, and nobody is going to care about what you care about. Nobody is going to care, about what you care about." And the whole "they'll like us when we win" speech. There may be other examples, but those are the lines I know off the top of my head. That's not weird, right?
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Jul 31, 2012 19:28
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I'm watching The West Wing for the first time, and even though I knew John Spencer had died, I still got all teary-eyed during Election Day Part II. This show is amazing. I'd already seen Studio 60, but now I want to check out Sport's Night too.
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Jul 31, 2012 19:36
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VagueRant posted:Am I the only one who just did not like Toby? Pretty sure, yeah. 
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Jul 31, 2012 19:42
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Daveh posted:I'm watching The West Wing for the first time, and even though I knew John Spencer had died, I still got all teary-eyed during Election Day Part II. The end of 2162 Votes...  I do like the last half of season 6 and all of season 7 for rehabbing what they did to Leo's character in season 5. I love when Leo and Santos sit down and finally click with each other.
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Jul 31, 2012 19:44
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brylcreem posted:then he goes up to his office and Donna, breaks an ashtray and then goes to join her at the party! What about the report, man?! I assumed that the scene with Donna was after he finished the report, which he probably wouldn't have been able to write in his nearly-empty office.
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Jul 31, 2012 20:55
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Toby is my favourite character 
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Aug 1, 2012 03:49
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Not liking Toby is a wrong opinion, because Toby is great.
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Aug 1, 2012 04:09
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"Babies come with hats?"
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Aug 1, 2012 11:49
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withak posted:I assumed that the scene with Donna was after he finished the report, which he probably wouldn't have been able to write in his nearly-empty office. Then why does he need an office, if he does his work elsewhere? The White House is weird. But thanks for the answer!
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Aug 1, 2012 11:54
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Doesn't he work out of there? There's the one scene with Donna and Josh where she says how he has the national security lock on his door and then Josh says something about him showing her security information to show off. I guess that's later though?
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Aug 1, 2012 11:58
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He'd been there for like five minutes at that point, I wouldn't be surprised if he had to go somewhere to find a computer or something.
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Aug 1, 2012 12:01
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brylcreem posted:Then why does he need an office, if he does his work elsewhere? Well he just moved in, there isn't even a computer or typewriter in there yet.
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Aug 1, 2012 13:59
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Am I the only one who thinks that Margaret never would have been allowed to work in the real White House?
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Aug 1, 2012 17:01
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Nah, Margaret's great. She's weird as hell, but she's incredibly good at her job. We see that more when she with CJ than with Leo, since Leo has the insanity all under control.
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Aug 1, 2012 17:14
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Asiina posted:Nah, Margaret's great. She's efficient, and a great character, but I imagine he was talking about her spying and gossiping sides. It's a fair point, but it doesn't seem unrealistic that nobody says poo poo to the Chief of Staff about his decades-running assistant.
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Aug 1, 2012 18:21
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Grand Fromage posted:He'd been there for like five minutes at that point, I wouldn't be surprised if he had to go somewhere to find a computer or something.
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Aug 1, 2012 18:23
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Can someone quickly explain why John Goodman took over as president instead of the vice president? I started rewatching at the start of season 5 and can't remember the end of season 4.
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Aug 1, 2012 18:33
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John Hoynes resigned in the previous episode because he leaked a bunch of information which resulted in an embarrassing tell all book. It's a really good episode, you should go out of your way. Matthew Perry really surprises me - I think of him as the 4th or 5th funniest cast member of a decent sitcom, so to see that kind of range was unexpected.
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fuf posted:Can someone quickly explain why John Goodman took over as president instead of the vice president? I started rewatching at the start of season 5 and can't remember the end of season 4. That's also why there is a new speaker who causes all the Shutdown stuff. Really great continuity plot threading in the WW. Although that reminds me of another scene I don't like. When Walken does his little speech about Archduke Franz Ferdinand and the Black Hand, as though he's an impressive political history scholar. He's talking to the senior staff of the President of the United States, high schoolers know what caused WW1. Same with explaining why he had to resign. Everyone in the room works at the highest level of government. I know it's for the audience and you have to forgive it slightly, but the WW is usually so great at getting that kind of information across without an exposition hammer. Is Donna in that scene? I can't remember. She's usually the audience proxy. Hoops fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Aug 1, 2012 |
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Aug 1, 2012 18:47
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