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Yes. He will be missing out on various important puppy manners. Why are the other puppies being sold before at least 8 weeks? Who are you getting this puppy from?
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Kerfuffle posted:Yes. He will be missing out on various important puppy manners. Why are the other puppies being sold before at least 8 weeks? Who are you getting this puppy from? Best friends mother who has bred dogs before. So not some random BYB. They are well cared for and I have visited the dog multiple times. As for why so early, she seems to think 6 weeks + is ok. Can't they learn said manners from me but it will just take longer?
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Aug 2, 2012 08:05
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buttslave posted:So, about a month ago, we took in a stray:
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Aug 2, 2012 08:10
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tonic316 posted:Best friends mother who has bred dogs before. So not some random BYB. They are well cared for and I have visited the dog multiple times. As for why so early, she seems to think 6 weeks + is ok. Can't they learn said manners from me but it will just take longer? Why is she breeding the dogs? Why does she not know the very basics of responsible breeding? I mean poo poo, that you can get rid of the pups at 8 weeks is common knowledge. Any sooner and yes your dog will miss out on very important dog skills and socialisation with its family. ETA she might be someone you know and she might not be a puppy miller but she is still a byb
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Aug 2, 2012 11:11
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tonic316 posted:Best friends mother who has bred dogs before. So not some random BYB. They are well cared for and I have visited the dog multiple times. As for why so early, she seems to think 6 weeks + is ok. Can't they learn said manners from me but it will just take longer? So a random BYB.
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Aug 2, 2012 11:34
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Superconsndar posted:So a random BYB. Well they know the person so it's a BYB just not a random BYB.
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Aug 2, 2012 11:55
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"Well cared for" should mean that you don't let the pups go before 8 weeks minimum - it's not just socialization, but most need those extra couple of weeks for proper weaning. Friends don't let friends support their parents' BYBing.
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Aug 2, 2012 12:47
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It's also illegal in a lot of places to separate the puppies earlier than 8 weeks.
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Aug 2, 2012 14:59
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Tiny Faye posted:"Well cared for" should mean that you don't let the pups go before 8 weeks minimum - it's not just socialization, but most need those extra couple of weeks for proper weaning. Friends don't let friends support their parents' BYBing. That's the reason, she thinks as soon as they're not on their mothers milk they're good to go.
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Aug 2, 2012 15:32
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tonic316 posted:That's the reason, she thinks as soon as they're not on their mothers milk they're good to go. She's misinformed then.
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Aug 2, 2012 15:43
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So then it goes back to my original question. Is this life scarring stuff? Or can I train around it?
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Aug 2, 2012 15:58
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tonic316 posted:So then it goes back to my original question. Is this life scarring stuff? Or can I train around it? Why do you *have* to get THIS puppy?
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Aug 2, 2012 16:00
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Fraction posted:Why do you *have* to get THIS puppy? Why don't you answer my question? I don't have to get this puppy. Edit: It's all good, I'll do my own research on the cons since its to hard to tell me. Can't be any worse then getting a rescue who was half beaten to death or has a myriad of health problems waiting.
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Aug 2, 2012 16:07
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In short, it's not life scarring, no. But you could do much better. This woman sounds irresponsible and unknowledgeable in her breeding and puppy raising practices. We obviously want the best for our animals so we strive to set them up for success from the very start (which she is not doing). And we also don't like to encourage shoddy breeding practices since the world has enough crappy breeders making pets as it is. Problems you may run into: Puppy may be more bitey than it would be if it had littermates to practice on. Puppy may be more easily intimidated by other dogs. Puppy may have more difficulty recovering from stressful situations or dealing with frustration. That's just the behavioural stuff - not necessarily genetic issues that you can run into when not buying from health tested lines.
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Aug 2, 2012 16:11
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a life less posted:In short, it's not life scarring, no. But you could do much better. This woman sounds irresponsible and unknowledgeable in her breeding and puppy raising practices. We obviously want the best for our animals so we strive to set them up for success from the very start (which she is not doing). And we also don't like to encourage shoddy breeding practices since the world has enough crappy breeders making pets as it is. Thank you.
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Aug 2, 2012 16:13
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I have a question for the pet gods out there. A bit of background first. My wife (who is a veterinarian who owns her own practice) and I have 3 cats, live in a good sized house. The cats have been around dogs for 3-4 days at a time,and are a bit indifferent towards the dog (like they were to each other when they first met). I have fallen in love with 2 dogs that when staying at our house seemed to not need tons of exercise, as well as being very affectionate. They were a Yorkshire Terrier and a Havanese. On to the question. My wife and I have always wanted to rescue a dog form the pound, not buy from a breeder. How do I look for a dog that has the traits I am looking for, without it being a pure breed? I would want on the smaller side, not need to go for 2 hour walks every day, and want to curl up in my lap at night. We are not in a hurry to get a dog, so I want to make sure I have my homework done first.
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Aug 2, 2012 16:26
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Snowmankilla posted:On to the question. My wife and I have always wanted to rescue a dog form the pound, not buy from a breeder. How do I look for a dog that has the traits I am looking for, without it being a pure breed? I would want on the smaller side, not need to go for 2 hour walks every day, and want to curl up in my lap at night. We are not in a hurry to get a dog, so I want to make sure I have my homework done first. Tell a shelter what you want and let them match you up with a dog. Pretty much any small, non-terrier dog would likely be a good fit for you.
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Aug 2, 2012 16:28
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a life less posted:In short, it's not life scarring, no. But you could do much better. This woman sounds irresponsible and unknowledgeable in her breeding and puppy raising practices. We obviously want the best for our animals so we strive to set them up for success from the very start (which she is not doing). And we also don't like to encourage shoddy breeding practices since the world has enough crappy breeders making pets as it is. In addition, you will likely end up with some major play skill deficits, and your puppy might not be okay playing with other dogs at all. If you are okay with never going to a dog park ever, the dog having serious health issues like hip dysplasia (I am willing to bet your friend's mom doesn't do any genetic testing of her breeding stock), having your hands chewed up a lot more, and just general behavioral issues, go for it. I'd recommend taking a step back and re-thinking this, though.
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Aug 2, 2012 16:33
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Snowmankilla posted:On to the question. My wife and I have always wanted to rescue a dog form the pound, not buy from a breeder. How do I look for a dog that has the traits I am looking for, without it being a pure breed? I would want on the smaller side, not need to go for 2 hour walks every day, and want to curl up in my lap at night. We are not in a hurry to get a dog, so I want to make sure I have my homework done first. In addition to what fraction suggested, check out breed specific or small dog specific rescues. Some of them have obnoxious furbaby descriptions and ridiculously long applications but their dogs are generally in foster homes so I'm sure you can find one that will help you find a dog that fits your needs.
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Aug 2, 2012 16:41
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Snowmankilla posted:I would want on the smaller side, not need to go for 2 hour walks every day, and want to curl up in my lap at night. Why not just get another cat :p Serious answer: mutts are a mixed bag...no matter what there aren't any guarantees about what breeds' traits they're going to inherit. Not only that...but you should take whatever the shelters tell you the mix is with a big grain of salt. You won't believe how many pit terrier mixes get called lab mixes because the shelters want to make sure the dog is more adoptable. You might also want to consider an older dog (something over the age of 2 or 3) who might be a bit more mellowed out than a puppy if you're already ruling out having to do a lot of walking everyday. For older dogs you'll be better off going through a breed specific rescue in your area. Breed rescue orgs have mostly older dogs from shelters because it's the sad truth that puppies get placed faster than older dogs.
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tonic316 posted:Edit: It's all good, I'll do my own research on the cons since its to hard to tell me. Can't be any worse then getting a rescue who was half beaten to death or has a myriad of health problems waiting. Rescue dogs are often former BYB dogs that have been dumped, and have the same potential for a myriad of health problems. Just because you know where it comes from doesn't mean it's guaranteed to be genetically sound. At least when you rescue an animal, you don't support BYBs.
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Okay help! Shanti is a biting machine. I can't seem to teach him bite inhibition at all... It's getting really upsetting that any attempt I make to play with my dog ends in failure on my part, and I don't want him treating guests like they're chew toys. What do I do?
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If I get a dog in the future - depending on how employment goes - I'm wondering what the best way to go about it is. My family has owned two whippets, and they have both been incredibly awesome pets (even if they're lazy as hell). I like their breed because they are calm, non-fussy, (in my experience) quiet, don't tend to have major health issues and can adapt very well to the apartment lifestyle. If I had a choice, I'd go with a whippet any day. But if I can't, how can I look for pets that have these traits? What other things do I need to keep in mind if this is what I'm looking for? We got Goldie and Blake from a breeder. I don't know if that changes things or not.
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Aug 2, 2012 21:15
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Pollyanna posted:If I get a dog in the future - depending on how employment goes - I'm wondering what the best way to go about it is. If your heart is set on a whippet just keep searching petfinder for adoptable whippets near you to see if there are any in shelters or rescues. You can also google "whippet rescue" + your state [or country] and find a rescue org...from some preliminary searching it seems like a lot of greyhound rescue orgs (and there are A LOT of them) also take in whippets so search for those too. Your comment on the "Depending how your employment" goes means doing an adoption/rescue is probably in your best interest....a pup from a reputable whippet breeder could easily cost over a grand.
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Pollyanna posted:If I get a dog in the future - depending on how employment goes - I'm wondering what the best way to go about it is. If you're willing to go a bit bigger, greyhounds are usually a lot easier to find in rescues/adoption agencies (I don't know the breakdown of the number of whippet vs. greyhound breeders though), and are usually fairly similar in temperament to whippets, particularly with being good apartment dogs. If you just want a chill companion, yeah, rescues are probably the best way to go, but if you're interested in doing sports with your dog at all, or even if you're just super super enthusiastic about the breed, look into responsible breeders (ones that do health/genetic testing, show/work their dogs) because you can really learn a lot about the breed from interacting with responsible breeders and their dog clubs.
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Rixatrix posted:What made the vet think she needed medication in the first place? If she was chill for a week, it may have just been her getting adjusted to her new situation. Young dogs will destroy poo poo when left alone for extended periods of time. She might have just been bored and/or underexercised? He said he thought her tunneling through the back door was an attempt to flee/catch up with us, and combined with her over-attachment/emotionally neediness and her grandiose/manic welcomes (which, to my fault, I forgot to add) and figured she has sever separation anxiety. His office is, for whatever reason, closed on Thursdays so I plan to call him tomorrow morning because this dog seems to take two steps backwards for every step forwards. She went insane again today after I had taken her back inside from a run and was changing. I came out of my room to find her running around in circles, picking up the cat food bowls and flinging them like a manman, picking up dog food in her mouth but not chewing or eating it. "Psychotic" is the only thing I can really describe it as - she wouldn't respond to my commands/whistles and she bound around without regard for the other animals. I had to basically tackle her and pat her until she calmed down - she was panting and drooling and looking really paranoid. And then, once she was calm she was back to as normal gets for her and took a nap. She's kind of scaring the piss out of me at this point. Further details: Vet puts her at about 2 years old Unsure of breed but the "ancient breeds" thread said she looked Kelpie (though she has the same markings as our husky, and a shiba-esque tail) I walk her for about 30 minutes in the morning, run her for 20 minutes/walk for 10 at night around a track She has a kong toy that holds her interest for a tiny bit and a food-dispensing toy which she doesn't care for at all She responds really well to clickers and I imagine her last owner trained her a bit Housebroken except when going crazy We have two other dogs - a female husky at about a year old and a 12 year old pit/basenji(?) who are both pretty sociable with other dogs and show no anxiety symptoms (both are rescues) Maybe I'm freaking out so hard because I've never had a dog behave this way. I'm used to some minor destruction when/if the other two are bored and our pit had some poor manners when we first got him about 6 years ago but training fixed that - I've just never seen an animal go absolutely apeshit like this before.
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Thanks for all the the replies. I took your advice and found a Havanese rescue group that actually works out of my city (Columbus, Ohio). That seems to be a nice in between for getting a specific breed and still 'saving' a dog. I think we will still look at shelters just for fun, but now we have a better idea when we get serious. Thanks again!
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Aug 3, 2012 02:33
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buttslave posted:He said he thought her tunneling through the back door was an attempt to flee/catch up with us, and combined with her over-attachment/emotionally neediness and her grandiose/manic welcomes (which, to my fault, I forgot to add) and figured she has sever separation anxiety. His office is, for whatever reason, closed on Thursdays so I plan to call him tomorrow morning because this dog seems to take two steps backwards for every step forwards. Have you thought about trying to increase her exercise?
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Aug 3, 2012 11:49
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uptown posted:Okay help! Shanti is a biting machine. I can't seem to teach him bite inhibition at all... It's getting really upsetting that any attempt I make to play with my dog ends in failure on my part, and I don't want him treating guests like they're chew toys. What do I do?
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We have a minor, non-medical, emergency with our puppy and are looking for some quick advice before deciding what to do either tonight or in the morning. We just left on vacation and couldn't take our dog with because of where we are staying. We were thinking of boarding her for the week, but our friends/neighbors who live down the hall offered to watch her. They have a puppy the same age and like to play with each other so we thought it would be fine. We leave today and just got an email from them that the barking is driving them nuts and she has been peeing on their floor all of the time. They want to just put her in our apartment and pretty much just let her out to go to the bathroom a couple of times a day and play with her a little bit in the evenings. We are not ok with this, but other than just canceling our vacation and coming back home we don't know what else to do. Being the weekend we don't know if we can even get a hold of a kennel, but we don't know any of them and don't know if they would take her seeing as we would not be the ones dropping her off. We also don't have anyone else in the city that can watch over her. Any advice? This really sucks in general, and just want her to be happy and not have a traumatizing experience whenever we have to leave somewhere.
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I would start calling kennels, dog walkers and grooming facilities and try to explain the situation to them. They may be willing to make an exception considering your situation. I would also be absolutely furious at my neighbours, and I would tell them (as politely as I could muster) that they need to suck it the gently caress up and watch the dog as you had agreed. Leaving a puppy alone for long hours in the apartment with the occasional pee breaks is not acceptable as far as I'm concerned. Explain to them how to use a crate or x-pen to control pee accidents. The barking is just barking, - sure, it sucks, but they'll figure out how to cope. Tire the pup out, give it other things to do, etc.
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Aug 5, 2012 02:58
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Your neighbours are being dicks but to be honest, you don't really get to go on holiday without your pup unless you have someone you really, really trust to look after them. I'm sure someone will disagree, but IMO that's the nature of the commitment you made.
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Filboid Studge posted:Your neighbours are being dicks but to be honest, you don't really get to go on holiday without your pup unless you have someone you really, really trust to look after them. I'm sure someone will disagree, but IMO that's the nature of the commitment you made. Having a puppy is a huge responsibility and when they are young, it is so important to keep the rules consistent. I agree with the poster I'm quoting here - I'm a world traveller and there is nothing I like more than jetting off into the sunset, but with a new puppy, I'm anchored to the house for about a year. Inconvenient? Sure, a little... But I made the decision to get a puppy, so he's my responsibility. My boyfriend and some friends are going camping tomorrow. Do I want to go? Sure. Am I going? Nope. I don't even trust my mom to look after my dog, because she won't stick with the rules I am trying to instil into his head. nesbit, I understand you are in a lovely situation, but if there is a next time, you should think hard about the puppy before leaving.
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Eh, I think you guys are biting this dude's head off a bit too much....the dog's 7 months old...they've had the dog for 3 months (checked post history, before jumping on the "OH MY GOD WHAT A HORRIBLE OWNER" bandwagon). The pup is just having its first bout of separation anxiety and the pet sitters probably aren't giving the dog enough attention to take the dog's mind of missing its owners. You don't do your pup any favors by being around then every possible second for the first year of their life.
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Aug 6, 2012 03:50
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Both I and uptown are talking about roughly the first year, so 7 months is well within that frame. I really don't think it's that unusual a position. After a year, a good boarding kennel is still the way to go rather than acquaintances.
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Aug 6, 2012 08:40
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Tiny Faye posted:The pup is just having its first bout of separation anxiety and the pet sitters probably aren't giving the dog enough attention to take the dog's mind of missing its owners. You don't do your pup any favors by being around then every possible second for the first year of their life. My middle one does actually display symptoms of separation anxiety, if she's in a familiar place without me, but she's the only one of my dogs that has done that. A not so familiar place = less angst, but if I can arrange for her (and the rest of the gang) to be taken care of at home, I will. Even if it means less human interaction for a day, I still think it's easier for Healy that way. Now if I'm gone more than 16hrs I really have to think about it, but I do have three places lined up for those times, one for each dog and it works quite ok.
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If my girlfriend wants a Rottweiler. What are some of the things I, as a person who only has had cats and bad experiences with dogs as a little one, should do or prepare for? TIA.
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Why does she want a rottweiler? Is she prepared to exercise it and do whatever necessary to keep it's guarding tendencies under control? Is she getting a puppy or adult? If she isn't going to exercise (mentally and physically) the hell out of it, you can prepare for a neurotic, possible bitey mess. If she is, you'll probably have a good, big dog. I think rotties can be predisposed toward being dog aggressive (especially same-sex, iirc) as well as having guarding tendencies/human aggression tendencies with strangers.
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She has express serious love towards dogs and especially that breed and the idea of having a dog again. I guess I can assume by your post that I should be prepared to take part of this very excessive, mental and physical. Do they get bitey with other dogs? 
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