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Oh, is that generally a bike thing? I'm coming into bikes from car mechanicking and I'm used to doing it warm but not hot.
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The warmer the oil, the more will come out, and it will come out faster. Even if it's not specified to change oil hot, I always ride around and get the oil circulating before I drain it.
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I agree with that. According to a mechanic friend who works on Buells, the recommended procedure is to ride it hard for 10 to 15 minutes to get it "poo poo hot", the strong wording and his conviction were a surprise. He acted like it was weird compared to other bikes; my car oil changes are "idle for 5 minutes with Seafoam/Gunk in the oil, then change" so I'm not usually in a position to rev it at all, and new to bikes in general so I haven't needed to look into what people normally do for an oil change. Thanks for the advice, makes sense. Guess I'll cross that point out.
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Well thanks for all the suggestions guys, but turns out the glut of cash is going somewhere other than another bike  . Still got some money for a couple of bits and bobs to tart it up though, so I'll go for that first option.
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I've found, at least with my buell, the best way to get it poo poo hot is to ride it easy. The oil/air cooling doesn't work as well under 3k/50mph. But I can see that being different on a blast without a rear cylinder buried between the rider's legs.
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Splizwarf posted:I agree with that. With cars it's still best to do it with the engine (oil) up around operating temp, since the hotter it gets the less viscous it is / easier it flows, which is why it's such a dick move when car designers put the oil filter smack up on the exhaust.
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http://www.mapleridgemotorsports.com/pages/MyInventory#details:unitId=100071854 I'm looking at this as my first bike, and I'm sure I could talk the price down to at least $2400. Thing is, after the 12% tax it would come out to $2688. Keeping in mind that I'm in Canada, what do you guys think is a reasonable after-tax price for this bike? I really didn't want to pay more than $2500 for my first bike. I'm scouring Craigslist for good deals every day.
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Tell 'em you want $2500 out the door. I bet they'll say yes.
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Safety Dance posted:Tell 'em you want $2500 out the door. I bet they'll say yes.
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It's about what I would expect, yeah.
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Looks like you were right. He'll do 2500 out-the-door  .
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Woohoo! Congrats!
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What are the opinions on the SV650s? My local dealer has had one in for a while now that I thought looked quite... interesting the last time I was there.  I've been looking at Bonnevilles and the like but part of me wants something sporty and the CBR's/675's/R6's etc are all way too expensive insurance-wise (this will be my first big bike).
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Frankston posted:What are the opinions on the SV650s? My local dealer has had one in for a while now that I thought looked quite... interesting the last time I was there. I think CA likes SV's.
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Frankston posted:What are the opinions on the SV650s? My local dealer has had one in for a while now that I thought looked quite... interesting the last time I was there. Yea, CA is big on the SV650 as a good first bike for a responsible rider.
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I went to look at the bike just to see what's what. It's been dropped on the right side and there's some scratches and a crack in the fairing: I don't give a poo poo about cosmetic damage like this because it's my first bike and I won't be so paranoid about dinging it up. I'm no expert obviously, but everything else seemed fine. The tires didn't look worn, and it looks well kept.
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Zubumafoo posted:Yea, CA is big on the SV650 as a good first bike for a responsible rider. What about for example, a Monster 620?
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Frankston posted:What are the opinions on the SV650s? My local dealer has had one in for a while now that I thought looked quite... interesting the last time I was there. The gripe about the 650S is that the riding position is more race-crouch than the 650N, and can be pretty cramped for taller riders. Sit on it and ideally ride it around to tell if it's your bag.
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So I've posted a few times asking about SV650s and other middleweight standards, but I still don't know what I really want. I've been puttering around on a Ninja 250 for about 3000 miles, and I'm happy to continue doing so for a while longer. I'm mostly just thinking/dreaming about what I want next. The more I've been riding, the more I think I want something super practical that can do it all. I have actually started to look at Wee-stroms now. I want comfort in the city and on the highway. Easy riding, comfortable ergos, and as much sporting character as I can get without giving up the former. So I guess my options are like... Wee-Strom FZ6 Versys Ninja 650 F800ST Triumph Sprint (maybe?) VFR800 Bandit 650 or give up some comfort and go for a Street Triple, Monster, or SV650 or Multistrada comedy option
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Just kinda curious why you think the street triple is giving up on comfort, over say a Ninja 650? I want one of those bad, and was under the impression it was a good all rounder, unless you mean the fact that it's naked.
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Hog Obituary posted:So I've posted a few times asking about SV650s and other middleweight standards, but I still don't know what I really want. I think we are in the same boat. I have about 4,000 miles under my belt on the Ninja 250 and I'm using up every last bit of will-power to stay away from shops and craigslist.org/mcy. I have a buddy who rides the piss out of his DL1000 and loves it and so I'm looking at a DL650 as a possible upgrade in the next several months. Another close contender is the Ninja 650. I haven't sat on either, but I really like the ergonomics and seating position of both of those bikes.
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The Street Triple's seat did take a little getting used to from the Ninja 250, the way the seat curves forces you forward into the tank into a very upright seating position, at least at first. After I'd broken it in a little and bought some tank pads for my knees I have to say the seat is actually pretty adaptable. I can sit upright and just relax on my way through town, but on the highway or going fast on the back roads I can get into an aggressive crouch if I need to. It feels pretty comfortable. I'd say it's worth a try if you can get a test drive, I love mine.
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Hog Obituary posted:So I've posted a few times asking about SV650s and other middleweight standards, but I still don't know what I really want. If you're heading up to VFR800/Monster territory price-wise, give the Aprilia Shiver a look too. They're comfortable (considerably moreso than the Street Triple or the unfaired SV, which are the only two from that list I've ridden to compare), and seriously scratch if you put the ignition into sport mode and move around a bit to make the suspension's life easier. Oh and the faired version (if that floats your boat) has lockable cubbyholes in the fairing including one with a charging socket built in. About the only drawbacks in heavy traffic are the wide turning circle and it does feel a bit top-heavy at slow speed - although of course all this is contingent on being able to find a dealer, they're rather thinner on the ground than the others.
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I had no idea there was a faired version of the Shiver! e: oh the Shiver GT is not sold in the US, is it? quote:Just kinda curious why you think the street triple is giving up on comfort, over say a Ninja 650? I want one of those bad, and was under the impression it was a good all rounder, unless you mean the fact that it's naked. Yes, the fact that it's naked to me is giving up comfort. I *love* naked bikes, but on the highway I feel that wind does detract from comfort some. FWIW I haven't ridden a naked bike for any real length on the highway - just one quick ride on my buddy's GS500. The air is certainly clean when it hits you (not like my 250 which buffeted like crazy until I got one of Mike's huge touring screens). Hog Obituary fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Aug 4, 2012 |
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Hog Obituary posted:I had no idea there was a faired version of the Shiver! Hmm, apparently not, sorry. The Mana GT is though, and has massive on-board storage, but personally I didn't like the styling although I was intrigued by the semi-auto gearbox.
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Someone had just put down a deposit on the Bandit 1200S I was looking at. They did have a pretty bitching CX650 Turbo from the 80s though. http://www.prismnet.com/~tmscream/cgi-bin/onecycle.cgi?name=83cx650t I'm still looking around, have a line on a couple Ninja 250s, a Ninja 500 and a Bandit 600S.
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I have all the proper gear, I'm taking the MSF next week, and I'm not a complete idiot with regards to being aware of the risks inherent in motorcycles. My dad did a complete 180 about my plans to get a bike, from not wanting me to get even a pregen Ninja 250 to seeing if I want his friends Monster (for Ninja amounts of money I might add). How horrible would a Ducati Monster 620 be for a first bike? They're a fair bit slower than an SV650 and those get the nod for starter bikes on here every once and a while.
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Preferred by tiny people all over the world. Are you tiny?
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6' 2" 180lbs  I'm going to be checking the bike out next weekend, hopefully I won't be too scrunched up on it.
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MonkeyNutZ posted:I have all the proper gear, I'm taking the MSF next week, and I'm not a complete idiot with regards to being aware of the risks inherent in motorcycles. The only real thing I could see counting against the Monster as a starter bike (once you take price out of the equation) is the clutch can be very heavy and quite snatchy (although I don't know if that's as bad on the smaller one) and the gearbox a little agricultural compared to Japanese bikes - some people can be really put off by that if they've trained on something a bit more conventional. Don't worry too much about the tiny people comment, it's only because of their very low seat height - they're pretty roomy, my friend is 6'1" and fits on his fine.
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I've decided that, while I really like the deal on the Ninja 500R, I'm going to wait until I'm done my lessons before I get a bike. It doesn't seem sensible to buy a motorcycle without ever actually riding one  .
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MonkeyNutZ posted:6' 2" 180lbs Don't worry, you'll be fine. It'll have more power than your gt at least. 
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Anyone know anything about a Honda Ascot as a first bike? http://sacramento.craigslist.org/mcy/3183226247.html
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MonkeyNutZ posted:6' 2" 180lbs The problems really come when you try to lean off it, not when riding along in a straight line. But if you're young and gymnastic it won't be a huge issue. Look for corrosion and oil leaks and make sure you know when it's due belts and valve adjustment. It's a great first big bike, albeit near-zero wind protection. Saga fucked around with this message at 07:55 on Aug 5, 2012 |
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If I'm 5'8" and 150lbs, is the weight on a Bandit something to be concerned about? I'm not a big guy by any stretch of the imagination. I did ride an SV650S which I guess is around 100 lbs lighter when I was younger and even smaller, so I might be over thinking this.
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Splizwarf posted:
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Bovril Delight posted:If I'm 5'8" and 150lbs, is the weight on a Bandit something to be concerned about? I'm not a big guy by any stretch of the imagination. I did ride an SV650S which I guess is around 100 lbs lighter when I was younger and even smaller, so I might be over thinking this. I was worried about riding my father in law's 800lb Goldwing due to it's weight and he looked at me like I was nuts and said "Are you carrying it or riding it?" If a bike is well designed, you only really notice weight at parking lot speeds. After that, it disappears.
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Giblet Plus! posted:the oil level can only be checked hot. that is what you mean. Yeah not even some mechanics realise that (and it's not universal across all bikes). Even though I know it's the case on mine it always gives me a little start when I see the sightglass empty when I wash it.
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Bloody Queef posted:I was worried about riding my father in law's 800lb Goldwing due to it's weight and he looked at me like I was nuts and said "Are you carrying it or riding it?" If a bike is well designed, you only really notice weight at parking lot speeds. After that, it disappears.
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