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IUG posted:I started Homestruck because a few months ago I noticed this thread said "The Final Acts" and figured I could read it and catch up as it was ending (hahaha). I started with Homestruck, but in the beginning they show you John's bookshelf with all the past stories in them. So I took Problem Sleuth without knowing that it was going to be this big story of it's own. I eventually finished PS, and think that you should at least read that before Homestruck. You know it's called Homestuck right?
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The problem with Problem Sleuth makes references to Jailbreak and AAAAAAHHHH.... But yeah, turns out that one of my pals picked up Problem Sleuth on his own volition. So... Mission accomplished? 
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Aug 8, 2012 01:13
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Ditto on reading PS before Homestuck. You don't need flashy animations to hook people; PS is good on its own ground, and it, as a whole, is similar enough in narrative style to the early acts of Homestuck (pesterlogs aside), that going into HS after you've read PS makes the slow beginning much easier to go through since it's more of what you've already read and love.
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Aug 8, 2012 01:43
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YggiDee posted:Or make them read Problem Sleuth! Because not only is Problem Sleuth great, it's also a great deal shorter and should give someone a better idea of what sorts of crazy directions Homestuck runs to. I remember when Homestuck was still shorter than Problem Sleuth. Those were the days.
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Aug 8, 2012 01:50
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YF-23 posted:Ditto on reading PS before Homestuck. You don't need flashy animations to hook people; PS is good on its own ground, and it, as a whole, is similar enough in narrative style to the early acts of Homestuck (pesterlogs aside), that going into HS after you've read PS makes the slow beginning much easier to go through since it's more of what you've already read and love. I had tried to read Problem Sleuth a few times before finally committing to it, because the format confused me way too much (we're talking back in the days when the suggestion box was right underneath the comic itself). When I finally figured out it WASN'T some html text adventure I was put off by the beginning of it, I didn't really "get" the humor. When I finally finished slogging through it Homestuck was in act 2, when Dave was loving around in his apartment. I never really lost interest because I knew after reading Problem Sleuth that Homestuck was clearly building up in the same sort of way. The big appeal of PS to me was the constant escalation it achieved, and how it all tied around and left no loose ends. I knew Homestuck was gonna get crazier, but it resolved itself just as neatly. ...of course, it's gotten way messier than PS ever did, and I'm not quite as sure all the loose ends remaining will tie up in such a satisfying manner, but you know. Homestuck is its own beast now.
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Aug 8, 2012 02:08
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Triskelli posted:Does anyone have recommendations of what sequence or flash I could show a friend to get them interested in Homestuck? My personal favorite flashes feel like they would require too much explanation, and showing them the beginning is a dry way to start. tips? Make her pay worked for myself and my brother but didn't work at all for getting my mother interested.
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Aug 8, 2012 02:34
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tinaun posted:You know it's called Homestuck right? Gonna go with nope, since my frist post in this thread had me making the same typo. Weird. I guess I just heard it in my head wrong, even if I say Stuck otherwise.
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Aug 8, 2012 02:57
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I made the same mistake during the year and a half or so period when I was trying to read it and giving up over and over. For some reason Homestruck still sounds more natural than Homestuck.
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Aug 8, 2012 03:06
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Olivia42 posted:I made the same mistake during the year and a half or so period when I was trying to read it and giving up over and over. For some reason Homestruck still sounds more natural than Homestuck. It's really just the way it is due to the Earthbound homages. Earth = Home Bound = Stuck
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Aug 8, 2012 03:15
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I genuinely can't imagine reading Homestuck without the thematic foundation provided by Problem Sleuth. Heck, when I stumbled onto PS almost 4 years ago I immediately went "Hold up, there's two other earlier things here. Better check those out first," and I was all the richer for it.
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Aug 8, 2012 03:48
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I read Problem Sleuth before Homestuck, and in fact I had attempted Problem Sleuth once earlier before it had finished, but it wasn't until embarrassingly recently that I read Jailbreak.
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Aug 8, 2012 04:06
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I read PS during the hiatus for the EOA5 flash. Act 1, Act 2 and the Intermission are a lot easier to read after finishing PS because of how similar they are to PS.
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Aug 8, 2012 05:06
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I can't possibly imagine reading the Midnight Crew intermission without having previously read Problem Sleuth. It would just make no sense at all.
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Aug 8, 2012 05:14
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I still haven't read PS and I've been following Homestuck since Hivebent. Is it really worth it, at this point?
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Aug 8, 2012 05:17
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Problem Sleuth is hilarious. You'd have to go pretty way far back into Hussie's bibliography to find a comic not worth reading.
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Aug 8, 2012 05:22
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Kakumei posted:I still haven't read PS and I've been following Homestuck since Hivebent. Always.
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Aug 8, 2012 05:29
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Kakumei posted:I still haven't read PS and I've been following Homestuck since Hivebent. There's a lot of stuff in homestuck that draws from it!
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Aug 8, 2012 05:31
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Kakumei posted:I still haven't read PS and I've been following Homestuck since Hivebent. It certainly is! It's really loving funny, and frankly, we're all posting in the Homestuck thread at 12:30 am- I can't imagine we're incredibly busy  Besides, there's another week or so of hiatus, might as well read a sweet comic while you wait.
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Aug 8, 2012 05:36
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Well Manicured Man posted:I was going to re-arrange Teal Hunter so it sounded better and I accidentally ended up making it completely, utterly different. Oops. The sections with heavy percussion and plucked strings were a great contrast. I really liked that piece.
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Aug 8, 2012 08:32
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Problem Sleuth is worth, I think. I actually started with Jailbreak and then read BardQuest, but it wasn't until I started reading Problem Sleuth that I was hooked on to this whole MSPaint Adventures thing. Problem Sleuth definitely sets a foundation for Homestuck, and I think, have I not read it, I would not enjoy Homestuck as much. Of course, that is just me. I wouldn't classify it as a necessary read, though; just something I think should be read.closeted republican posted:Act 1, Act 2 and the Intermission are a lot easier to read after finishing PS because of how similar they are to PS. I guess the beginning of Problem Sleuth does have a similar feel to the beginning of Homestuck. No wonder the first two acts never bothered me as much as it has others.
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Aug 8, 2012 08:34
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The funny thing about how similar the first few acts are to Problem Sleuth is that early on in Homestuck there was a significant contingent of fans who were annoyed that it wasn't similar enough to Problem Sleuth. There were a significant number of people who thought that PS couldn't be outdone and that Andrew should just make a sequel to that rather than try something radically new. Of course since Andrew's never cared much about what people (particularly dumb ones) think, he plugged along and eventually those people either left or changed their tune as Homestuck came into its own and showed what it was all about.
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Aug 8, 2012 12:24
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YggiDee posted:ps if anyone here has not yet read Problem Sleuth, please go do so now. I tried reading Problem Sleuth but the beginning of it was just too frustrating. It felt like Hussie was just loving with the audience 100% of the time, as opposed to 50% of the time in Homestuck .
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Aug 8, 2012 12:29
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Probably because he was.
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Cthulhuchan posted:Probably because he was.
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Aug 8, 2012 12:38
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ShardPhoenix posted:I tried reading Problem Sleuth but the beginning of it was just too frustrating. It felt like Hussie was just loving with the audience 100% of the time, as opposed to 50% of the time in Homestuck Hell that's part of the magic of it. Seeing how much Hussie can bend his world and the commands' wording to screw around with the reader and how the story/command flow adapts to these then-precedents and follows them is pretty cool.
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Aug 8, 2012 12:56
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Well Manicured Man posted:I was going to re-arrange Teal Hunter so it sounded better and I accidentally ended up making it completely, utterly different. Oops. (For what it's worth you'd probably get a better reception if you didn't come across as quite so anxious/self-effacing when you post these).
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Aug 8, 2012 13:01
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GrizzlyCow posted:Problem Sleuth is worth, I think. I actually started with Jailbreak and then read BardQuest, but it wasn't until I started reading Problem Sleuth that I was hooked on to this whole MSPaint Adventures thing. Yeah, JB and BQ were failed experiments and PS was the first success. I wouldn't advise anybody to bother reading them unless they are very bored. You don't need to read Jail Break to appreciate the "what pumpkin?" running gag in PS and HS.
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Aug 8, 2012 13:09
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Cat Mattress posted:Yeah, JB and BQ were failed experiments and PS was the first success. I wouldn't advise anybody to bother reading them unless they are very bored. You don't need to read Jail Break to appreciate the "what pumpkin?" running gag in PS and HS. Except Hussie had to spin around and make Jack's recent Prospit prison adventure an extended Jailbreak riff, which is still funny on its own admittedly, but having Jailbreak under your belt makes it that much funnier. Also the "First, be the pony. Second, [action x]" command originates there, and the suicide stump. (And maybe I just love how unashamedly making-it-up-as-it-goes-along Jailbreak obviously is.) The only specific Bardquest callbacks I can think of are the Bard godtier outfits and the branching-and-converging structure witnessed in the Scratch intermission on. I think in one of the old Forumspring answers Hussie had a bit where he explained that Homestuck basically references everything he's done previously in some way, or he was at least trying to make that happen.
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Speaking of non-album music, anyone save a link to that song someone put together when Tavrisprite showed up that was a horrible cacophony of guitar and mariachi music?
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Aug 8, 2012 14:10
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Bobulus posted:Speaking of non-album music, anyone save a link to that song someone put together when Tavrisprite showed up that was a horrible cacophony of guitar and mariachi music? Wasn't that Bowman's iRRRRRRRRECONCILA8LE?
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Aug 8, 2012 15:06
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ShardPhoenix posted:I tried reading Problem Sleuth but the beginning of it was just too frustrating. It felt like Hussie was just loving with the audience 100% of the time, as opposed to 50% of the time in Homestuck Here's the thing with PS that people who read it now don't always realize: it was almost entirely based on reader suggestions. People would post commands for what should happen next, and Hussie would usually take the ones he like the most and draw them. Also it's not quite as melodramatic as Homestuck, it's just a silly story that parodies adventure games and JRPGs.
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Aug 8, 2012 15:11
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NO LISTEN TO ME posted:Wasn't that Bowman's iRRRRRRRRECONCILA8LE? Nah, that's actual music. The one I'm thinking of sounded more like two songs played on top of one another. Unpleasant to listen to.
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Aug 8, 2012 15:28
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Bobulus posted:Nah, that's actual music. The one I'm thinking of sounded more like two songs played on top of one another. Unpleasant to listen to. Oh right, that thing. It be right here. e: And it looks like it's 3 songs: Spider's Claw, Desperado Rocket Chairs, and Harlequin.
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Aug 8, 2012 15:33
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NO LISTEN TO ME posted:Oh right, that thing. Haha! That was it. Thanks. I saw this picture on my hard drive and wanted a copy of the song.  
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Aug 8, 2012 17:38
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H.P. Shivcraft posted:I think in one of the old Forumspring answers Hussie had a bit where he explained that Homestuck basically references everything he's done previously in some way, or he was at least trying to make that happen. In addition to the previous MS Paint Adventures, it's seen direct (albeit not necessarily substantial) references to PLAY ME, Humanimals, And It Don't Stop, Need for the Steed, and his apparently no longer extant furry muscle porn art criticism. There are also some more oblique similarities to Neon Ice Cream Headache, and a fleeting reprisal of Riddler's Gammon.
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Aug 8, 2012 19:37
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DontMockMySmock posted:I can't possibly imagine reading the Midnight Crew intermission without having previously read Problem Sleuth. It would just make no sense at all. Wasn't that bad. I had to do a few double takes, but no more than any other section. e: I had more trouble following Act 1, actually. Wasn't used to the style yet I guess.
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Aug 8, 2012 20:09
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Also don't forget the Star Trek TNG and ALF edits.
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I read sb&hj first. The Midnight Crew intermission was my first introduction to MS Paint Adventures, when it was being updated regularly. Then I started reading HS from the beginning. It doesn't really matter what order you read the stories in because whether you see a Youth Roll as a reference to a Sleuth Roll, or a Sleuth Roll as a reference to a Youth Roll, it's still funny on its own, and it's still amusing if you ever make that connection. But you can be completely oblivious to inside references and still like HS. Most people are. It would be a crappy story if other stories were prerequisites for reading this story. It's like, "Oh no, I saw a poster on the wall of Weekend at Bernies 2, now I have to watch it to get the joooooke." No, that's all optional context if you're interested. Most people would not care.
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Aug 8, 2012 20:55
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Spellman posted:It's like, "Oh no, I saw a poster on the wall of Weekend at Bernies 2, now I have to watch it to get the joooooke." Man aren't you gonna look silly when the climax of the story revolves around using voodoo to make a dead body do the limbo and me and the rest of the W@B2 fandom is laughin' it up on tumblr!
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H.P. Shivcraft posted:Man aren't you gonna look silly when the climax of the story revolves around using voodoo to make a dead body do the limbo and me and the rest of the W@B2 fandom is laughin' it up on tumblr! I did actually watch the second one first when I was a kid because it was on TV.
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