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So, because I lacked the $150 to get what I really wanted (complete Gaunts Ghosts Ebook explosion) I picked up the Eisenhorn and Ravener Christmas collection off of BL for my Kindle. I am just wondering if anyone had any sort of clue as to the order that I am supposed to read these in. I know the main Eishenhorn books go, Xenos, Malleus, Hereticus, but where to the short stories, and Ravener fit in?
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Sure, here's the reading order as it appears in the omnibuses: Xenos Missing in Action Malleus Backcloth for a Crown Additional Hereticus Ravenor Thorn Wishes Talon Ravenor Returned Playing Patience (this one actually takes place between Hereticus and Ravenor, but probably makes more sense once you know the Ravenor characters) Ravenor Rogue Found Sound fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Aug 9, 2012 |
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Aug 9, 2012 03:52
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jadebullet posted:So, because I lacked the $150 to get what I really wanted (complete Gaunts Ghosts Ebook explosion) I picked up the Eisenhorn and Ravener Christmas collection off of BL for my Kindle. As much as I love my kindle I was able to pick up both of these in paperback on Amazon for half the cost of the e-books. I really wish e-books could be unbound from brick and mortar store pricing.
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Aug 9, 2012 18:00
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Trast posted:As much as I love my kindle I was able to pick up both of these in paperback on Amazon for half the cost of the e-books. I really wish e-books could be unbound from brick and mortar store pricing. In all seriousness though, if anyone is looking to catch up on books, check out the used books on Amazon. Some of the BL books go for as little as $3 shipped.
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Aug 9, 2012 18:05
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Is there an edition of Eisenhorn that looks more like Ravenor (and also apparently Pariah) in terms of cover art/style? I only have an electronic version of E.
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Aug 9, 2012 20:23
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mdemone posted:Is there an edition of Eisenhorn that looks more like Ravenor (and also apparently Pariah) in terms of cover art/style? I only have an electronic version of E. This is the only one I have ever seen.  All though if they did make a collectors edition with a Ravernor style cover I would snatch that poo poo up in a second.
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Aug 9, 2012 22:33
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loving right you would. Me too. I'm holding out hope that after the omnibus trilogy is published they'll do a box-set release. I wonder if it'd be worth their effort...I bet a lot of BL readers would re-buy.
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Aug 10, 2012 00:07
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I've just started reading the Last Chancers and holy poo poo, it feels like it was narrated by Samus from Other M. "How can you do this!" I gasped at the colonel, being distressed. The reason of my distress was the tone of the voice the colonel told the bad news in. Now I'm going to take it out on my squadmates because I'm a ~tough guy~. The premise is pretty engaging and I'm curious where the story will go. However I feel that these books will suffer from Lovecraft Syndrome, ie an interesting premise explored by an incredibly lovely writer.
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Aug 10, 2012 00:16
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Therion posted:I've just started reading the Last Chancers and holy poo poo, it feels like it was narrated by Samus from Other M. "How can you do this!" I gasped at the colonel, being distressed. The reason of my distress was the tone of the voice the colonel told the bad news in. Now I'm going to take it out on my squadmates because I'm a ~tough guy~. The Last Chancers had the 'chance' to be the most  WH40k book ever. But it just failed on so many levels. But there is some cool stuff in it yet. Like the Commissar who obviously is a total ripoff/poorly constructed homage to 'sunglasses' from Cool Hand Luke. But still I would love to see more written about Penal Legions in Warhammer besides the aftermath of a Slaanesh incursion.
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Aug 10, 2012 00:30
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Olanphonia posted:I think someone in one of these threads summed up the Emperor perfectly: the greatest leader humanity has ever known; and at the same time a terrible father. "The Last Church" is probably the best insight into the Emperor that the Horus Heresy series has revealed so far. Basically, the Emperor was really good as a Big Idea guy but was terrible in dealing with individual people or even expressing his ideas, really. That makes perfect sense, if you think about it. A gestalt being who popped into existence fully formed 40,000 years ago would probably think and act very strangely from the perspective of an ordinary human. It's interesting that he generally acts through a number of intermediaries and the people he had to interact with the most (the Primarchs) turned out really weird and he ended up appointing an intermediary to deal with them, too.
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Aug 10, 2012 05:53
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Ambiguatron posted:"The Last Church" is probably the best insight into the Emperor that the Horus Heresy series has revealed so far. Basically, the Emperor was really good as a Big Idea guy but was terrible in dealing with individual people or even expressing his ideas, really. I think The Last Church was just awfully loving written, to be honest. I've seen kids in middle school come up with more reasonable arguments against religion. I don't think the author was making the Emperors' arguments/interactions seem weak on purpose, I think he just didn't have any idea how to write that kind of story.
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Aug 10, 2012 07:16
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So, earlier this morning I got Helsreach, the Night Lord Series, and The Emperor's Gift since you guys love ADB and I'm all out of Abnett stuff. Just finished Helsreach and I definitely liked it. The interplay between so many different groups in the Imperium shoved together in the same besieged hive city was very well done. I especially liked the Martian-Marine bits.
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Aug 10, 2012 09:18
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If you liked Helsreach you will absolutely love the Night Lords series and EG.
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Aug 10, 2012 11:59
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According to ADBs twitter he's apparently going to write a Sisters of Battle story. Nothing more was about it other than that so I have no idea if it's going to be a novel or a short story. Awesome regardless.
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Aug 10, 2012 16:11
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Evil_Urna posted:This is the only one I have ever seen. Isn't the story behind this cover that it was some sort of stock WH40k image that Abnett saw and a character started forming in his mind right away? It's got a lot of visual elements that are important in the book.
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Aug 10, 2012 16:16
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Trast posted:Isn't the story behind this cover that it was some sort of stock WH40k image that Abnett saw and a character started forming in his mind right away? It's got a lot of visual elements that are important in the book. Yeah, Abnett tells that story in one of the introductions. The image on that cover itself started out as concept art for the at the time upcoming Inquisitor game and miniatures line. You can see that Eisenhorn was conceived of as a tie-in book. For instance, phsycial descriptions for a number of major and incidental characters match up to the first release of miniatures for the game, and the first book's info-dump on Inquisitorial philosophies is basically lifted from the rulebook. There's also elements of "gaminess" where specific game abstractions and terms are used in cases where they aren't quite necessary. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Aug 10, 2012 |
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Aug 10, 2012 16:31
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Cream_Filling posted:Yeah, Abnett tells that story in one of the introductions. The image on that cover itself started out as concept art for the at the time upcoming Inquisitor game and miniatures line. I never played Inquisitor. Could you give me an example? It would not surprise me if it started out like that but then transformed into the awesome line of books we have now.
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Aug 10, 2012 16:47
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Trast posted:Isn't the story behind this cover that it was some sort of stock WH40k image that Abnett saw and a character started forming in his mind right away? It's got a lot of visual elements that are important in the book. I'm pretty sure it's this one.  A nice idea, seeing the end result of the long and vicious life an inquisitor and simply winding back the tape. Aside from the various props, I can see why the smile-ectomy played a large part.
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Aug 11, 2012 00:36
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Cooked Auto posted:According to ADBs twitter he's apparently going to write a Sisters of Battle story. Nothing more was about it other than that so I have no idea if it's going to be a novel or a short story. Awesome regardless. I heard it will be the story of a sisterhood, desperately defending their sanctuary from demons that have ravaged their planet, hoping to hold out long enough for a group of Grey Knights to reinforce them. The demons seem kind of reluctant to touch their blood though, for some reason. In all seriousness though, I would read the hell out of an ADB Sisters book, just because I like his writing style. Anyway, I am enjoying Eisenhorn quite a bit, though I am starting to feel that the psychic voice suggestion thing is very Jedi mind trickish, so while it is cool, it just feels off to me. Also, did anyone else notice that Goto isn't on the list of BL writers anymore?
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Aug 11, 2012 04:51
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And just finished the Emperor's Gift.  I enjoyed the differences between the Black Templars and the Salamanders in Helsreach, and the stuff between the GKs and Wolves was great as well. When a certain old Space Wolf showed up, I just kept grinning.
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Aug 11, 2012 05:05
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An ADB book covering the events of the Sanctuary 101 massacre would be wonderful.
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Aug 11, 2012 05:07
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If it were the bloodtide that'd be great; have ADB fix the mess that was the GK reimagining as portrayed by Ward's horribly writing.
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Aug 11, 2012 05:44
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Actually, I do also agree that a good writer could actually use bloodtide to make an awesome story out of it. It just will probably never happen.
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Aug 11, 2012 06:56
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S.J. posted:I think The Last Church was just awfully loving written, to be honest. I've seen kids in middle school come up with more reasonable arguments against religion. I don't think the author was making the Emperors' arguments/interactions seem weak on purpose, I think he just didn't have any idea how to write that kind of story. That may not be what the author intended but it works in the context of the series as a whole, in which the Emperor is kind of an rear end in a top hat. Also the latest Horus Heresy book, Fear to Tread, is squarely in the "meh" zone as far as the series goes. It starts off well but abandon's the series convention of depicting daemons as being mysterious, incomprehensible forces that don't really follow the way they're depicted in the tabletop. Instead, there are explicitly daemonettes and bloodletters and a Keeper of Secrets and a Bloodthirster who mention the Chaos Gods by name, which usually doesn't happen. The whole thing has a hyperviolent Saturday morning cartoon feel to it. Some of the lead up to the big battle is well done but it quickly goes into being way over the top. Sanguinius all but surfs a battle barge from orbit. I like the way that Emperor's Gift handled that, by offering descriptions for the daemons that make it obvious what they are and using euphemisms like the Sanguinary Unholiness instead of "I'll get you next time, Khorne!  "
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Ambiguatron posted:
I think it would make a lot of sense. Grey Knights would have been trained in daemon lore. If a regular space marine knew the names of all those daemons he would prob catch a bolt to the head.
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Ambiguatron posted:
Um... This is the Blood Angels we are talking about here. I would be upset if Sanguinius didn't surf everything possible. 
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Aug 13, 2012 13:11
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So are there are Space Marines around that were alive during the Horus Heresy (and before?) Do they still buy the whole "The Emperor is a God!" spiel or do they remember how things were?
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Aug 13, 2012 13:26
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Affi posted:So are there are Space Marines around that were alive during the Horus Heresy (and before?) Do they still buy the whole "The Emperor is a God!" spiel or do they remember how things were? Plenty of Chaos Space Marines remember him being less than that, but I think one of the only loyal Marines still around is Bjorn, and he only talks every century or so.
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Aug 13, 2012 13:44
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Affi posted:So are there are Space Marines around that were alive during the Horus Heresy (and before?) Do they still buy the whole "The Emperor is a God!" spiel or do they remember how things were? The Marines in general (with the exception of the Black Templars) tend to revere the Emperor as a great man rather than a god. It's one of the reasons why their relationship with the rest of the Imperium can get a bit strained at times.
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Aug 13, 2012 13:51
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Affi posted:So are there are Space Marines around that were alive during the Horus Heresy (and before?) Do they still buy the whole "The Emperor is a God!" spiel or do they remember how things were? There's one moment in The Emperor's Gift where a Grey Knight calls the Red Hunters "zealots" after he refers to the God-Emperor.
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Aug 13, 2012 15:33
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ed balls balls man posted:
What is this witchcraft? I thought the release date was in Oct/Nov?
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Aug 13, 2012 15:40
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mdemone posted:What is this witchcraft? I thought the release date was in Oct/Nov? Yeah you are right there. This was taken from the BL Facebook page, assuming it's an early print copy.
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ed balls balls man posted:
I really do like the cover scheme. 
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Aug 13, 2012 18:01
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I also love that they've ditched dust covers. I shared a moment with ADB on his facebook page over the topic of 'gently caress dust covers forever'.
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Mowglis Haircut posted:I also love that they've ditched dust covers. I shared a moment with ADB on his facebook page over the topic of 'gently caress dust covers forever'. I used to work at Barnes and Noble and we all hated dust covers. It made it very easy for people to steal books if the cashiers didn't scan the inside ISBNs.
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Aug 13, 2012 22:06
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Darth Walrus posted:The Marines in general (with the exception of the Black Templars) tend to revere the Emperor as a great man rather than a god. It's one of the reasons why their relationship with the rest of the Imperium can get a bit strained at times. It really varies an awful lot. The chapters from earlier foundings are less likely to see him as a god because they were closer to inheriting the rituals and beliefs of their primogenitor legions. In the case of the second founding they were made up of marines who had served in the legions. Over time chapters were founded with a greater influence exerted by the Ecclesiarchy and so you get some believers, then there are ones who moved towards the Imperial Cult over time, and then finally you have ones who were forcefully converted. There was an entire civil war based around the forced conversions. And then you've got the truly interesting Minotaurs chapter, who appear to be loyal to the High Lords above all else.
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Aug 13, 2012 22:16
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Are there any good novels about the Salamanders or the White Scars? I'm fine with bolter porn, as long as it's not the Ultramarines yet again.
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Aug 15, 2012 06:47
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Degenerate Star posted:Are there any good novels about the Salamanders or the White Scars? I'm fine with bolter porn, as long as it's not the Ultramarines yet again. The best Salamander story and characters I've read is from Helsreach. There is a Salamander series by Nick Kyme but I wouldn't recommend it. There are two White Scar books but I haven't heard any good news about them either.
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Degenerate Star posted:Are there any good novels about the Salamanders or the White Scars? I'm fine with bolter porn, as long as it's not the Ultramarines yet again. The White Scars SM Battles book is absolute garbage, don't bother picking it up.
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